Forsake The Troops Poll

[TylerDurden04]

The site is back up and the guy was not killed, dunno if he was just lying or hackers were having fun with the site. Either way: what do you think? Good site or bad site. If you dont have an opinion then dont vote, or just decide for s&g. http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml

 

[MjM]

errr scary looking dude.

 

[bliink]

The site is back up and the guy was not killed, dunno if he was just lying or hackers were having fun with the site. Either way: what do you think? Good site or bad site. If you dont have an opinion then dont vote, or just decide for s&g. http://www.forsakethetroops.info/index.shtml

Don't think that creating and using an account from school/college will stop us finding out that you've got banned clone accounts.

Banned.

 

[Lemonking]

aahahahaahahahahahahaha
gj bliink^^

 

[kirovman]

This site is a total hoax. The guy died just the other day, and his site was set be be closed down 7pm on 19th May....

Now it's up and running again with no mention of his "death"

Michael Crook appeared on Friday's edition of Fox News

What, was he talking about his miraculous rise from the dead?

Total sham.

 

[Absinthe]

I voted Thumbs Down in a knee-jerk reaction, but I couldn't really care. The site is so obviously a hoax.

 

[T.H.C.138]

I can understand being against the politicians who send people out to die while they sit safe in an office somewhere,but to trash the people who actually put their lives on the line as a job..thats just sickening..

this guy has some issues that need to be dealt a quick blow to the skull..

 

[OCybrManO]

This site is a total hoax. The guy died just the other day, and his site was set be be closed down 7pm on 19th May....

Now it's up and running again with no mention of his "death"


What, was he talking about his miraculous rise from the dead?

Total sham.

... or were you fooled by the hoax?

Spoiler

Yep, you were.

 

[kirovman]

... or were you fooled by the hoax?

Spoiler

Yep, you were.

I was fooled by the hoax in that I was led to believe that he was alive rather than believing he was dead, when he was in fact dead?

Well if he is in fact dead, then I did fall for that cunning little hoax. I bet he's giggling away from his grave saying "Tee-hee, I convinced Kirovman that I'm alive, when actually I'm dead! Muhaha!"

 

[Feath]

Hmm, my dad was in the army.

 

[Ennui]

Don't think that creating and using an account from school/college will stop us finding out that you've got banned clone accounts.

Banned.

pwn3d. by bliink. <3 rule of life: never, EVER annoy bliink in the politics forum.

stupid site.

 

[kirovman]

pwn3d. by bliink. <3 rule of life: never, EVER annoy bliink in the politics forum.

stupid site.

I think it applies to everywhere, not only the politics forum.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Watch Hannity and Colmes (both of them, right winger and left winger) rip this guy to pieces on their show.

http://www.marines.mil/marinelink/v...FoxNews_Hannity&Colmes_ForsakeTheMilitary.wmv

Colmes seems to be confused that the guy is fighting for more Military benefits as far as I am seeing it, but when he realizes what this freaky looking scumbag is talking about, he gets him.

 

[CptStern]

why all the hate? ..write him off as the nut he is ...end of story. Seriously some of you people are get too overworked over anyone who dares question anything remotely to do with this war. When it was announced that he had died some of you were glad ...I just find it ironic that you define someone's right to live by their personal beliefs. Makes this "freedom" crap you all go on about seem even more like you're just regurgitating right-wing rhetoric for familiarities sake

 

[kirovman]

Makes this "freedom" crap you all go on about seem even more like you're just regurgitating right-wing rhetoric for familiarities sake

Sounds more like 'freedom' to choose the method of your own execution.

 

[CptStern]

as long as it's not the unborn .. everyone else is fair game

 

[15357]

Sounds more like 'freedom' to choose the method of your own execution.

to die hating them, that is freedom

anyway, i don't like that site. it sucks.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

moran, they are the people who protect our country, we should value them as gold

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

why all the hate? ..write him off as the nut he is ...end of story. Seriously some of you people are get too overworked over anyone who dares question anything remotely to do with this war. When it was announced that he had died some of you were glad ...I just find it ironic that you define someone's right to live by their personal beliefs. Makes this "freedom" crap you all go on about seem even more like you're just regurgitating right-wing rhetoric for familiarities sake

This guy isn't about questioning the war, Stern. Did you go to the site and look at it?

Being happy that someone is dead and gone is not an infringement on their right to life. It's simply that- being happy they're gone. I just find it extremely odd that you somehow were able to turn this into an attack on those who are enraged by this site.

Honestly right now are you just playing Devil's advocate or do you honestly feel that way? When someone encourages the death of those I love and care about and cheers when they're killed, they surely will get the same glee from me when they find themselves gutted. It's unfortunate he wasn't killed.

 

[kirovman]

This guy isn't about questioning the war, Stern. Did you go to the site and look at it?

Being happy that someone is dead and gone is not an infringement on their right to life. It's simply that- being happy they're gone. I just find it extremely odd that you somehow were able to turn this into an attack on those who are enraged by this site.

Honestly right now are you just playing Devil's advocate or do you honestly feel that way? When someone encourages the death of those I love and care about and cheers when they're killed, they surely will get the same glee from me when they find themselves gutted. It's unfortunate he wasn't killed.

He just did that as a stunt to make you feel it's unfortunate.

It's playing out as he intended, everyone's fallen for his little 'joke'.

If I was so inclined I could make a controversial website tomorrow and make a lot of people wish I was dead.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

He just did that as a stunt to make you feel it's unfortunate.

It's playing out as he intended, everyone's fallen for his little 'joke'.

If I was so inclined I could make a controversial website tomorrow and make a lot of people wish I was dead.

Difference being you're not so inclined.

It loses it's 'hoax' status when it reaches a certain point.

I'll give you an example like Save Toby. Whether he was going to eat the rabbit or not, that's not even a big deal, but if people sent in any money at all- it served it's purpose and has outgrown whether it matters if it's a hoax or not. He's made this site, without saying any 'event' or anything now. It's still up, the same message being portrayed to the troops, everyone at home and everyone abroad. He has mail that comes in from sick bastards that agree with him. I'm just amazed that he posts some dissenting email- although I'm sure that's a very disproportionate view on his "Shoot Back" page, his fan mail is surely few and far between.

 

[GiaOmerta]

*Thumbs Down*
Site is a disgrace.
The dishonor and treachery that spawn's from this guy's sewer of a mind is incredible.
But, neverless he was born in a country that offer's it citizens the freedom to express themselves. As much as I would like to steal his life in a extremely violent it would make me no better than him for his evil thoughts.

 

[CptStern]

*Thumbs Down*
Site is a disgrace.
The dishonor and treachery that spawn's from this guy's sewer of a mind is incredible.
But, neverless he was born in a country that offer's it citizens the freedom to express themselves. As much as I would like to steal his life in a extremely violent it would make me no better than him for his evil thoughts.

I tip my hat to you sir, even though you hate what he does you recognize he has a right to say what he does

 

[bliink]

Even though I think the guy is a tool, its sites like these that show that the internet is quite possibly the best medium for communication when it comes to completely unhindered freedom. Its not just an American thing... noone can stop someone on the internet, its great. You take the bad with the good.

In the end, humanity is better off for having such a system; even though all kinds of crap exists (this guy, pedophilia, advertising, cybercrime etc) they are far, far outweighed by the benefits -the right to put what you like up, when you like, and distribute anything you like; information, news, messages, software, music, culture, whatever. Its like a giant "**** you!" to "the man" that hasn't existed since the 80's came and killed it.

Think about it. One geek with a computer and 20 cents worth of patch cable can go and find information about anything, can download anything and UPLOAD anything to others. It is a truly global community.

Its one of the bitter candies of cyberculture that you just ignore because you dont like it.


Tangent!: Thats why I hate the idea of turning over internet controls to bodies like the UN etc, because they'll start putting controls on the way it works.
However, they do say that "the internet see's censorship as damage and routes around it"

 

[CptStern]

Even though I think the guy is a tool, its sites like these that show that the internet is quite possibly the best medium for communication when it comes to completely unhindered freedom. Its not just an American thing... noone can stop someone on the internet, its great. You take the bad with the good.

In the end, humanity is better off for having such a system; even though all kinds of crap exists (this guy, pedophilia, advertising, cybercrime etc) they are far, far outweighed by the benefits -the right to put what you like up, when you like, and distribute anything you like; information, news, messages, software, music, culture, whatever. Its like a giant "**** you!" to "the man" that hasn't existed since the 80's came and killed it.

Think about it. One geek with a computer and 20 cents worth of patch cable can go and find information about anything, can download anything and UPLOAD anything to others. It is a truly global community.

Its one of the bitter candies of cyberculture that you just ignore because you dont like it.


Tangent!: Thats why I hate the idea of turning over internet controls to bodies like the UN etc, because they'll start putting controls on the way it works.
However, they do say that "the internet see's censorship as damage and routes around it"

dont you mean the internets?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

dont you mean the internets?

How come you didn't vote?

 

[CptStern]

How come you didn't vote?

because it's a stupid poll (no offense to thread starter). Sanity dictates that the poll will be wholly one sided

 

[Tr0n]

You could just say you don't give a damn.

 

[CptStern]

nah, my point was far more compelling

 

[A True Canadian]

I can't decide what to vote.

On the one hand, I'd give him thumbs up for organization; backing up arguments with evidence, speaking with more eloquence than expected, and bravely posting (and adressing) e-mails & forum replies that mostly go against his views.

But on the other hand, I'd give him a thumbs down because it's discriminatory, of bad taste, narrow-minded, and against my personal views of military volunteers (to which I think are some of the bravest people in the world).

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

because it's a stupid poll (no offense to thread starter). Sanity dictates that the poll will be wholly one sided

So in saying you think it'd be one sided, do you give it a thumbs down (disagreeing with what this scum has said, not with his right to say it)

Or would it be one sided against your view on it? So far HatRabit, Pericolos0, Shakermaker, X_i_Z_o_R have shown their true colors against the men and women who protect us, will you join with them or no?

 

[CptStern]

So in saying you think it'd be one sided, do you give it a thumbs down (disagreeing with what this scum has said, not with his right to say it)

I really dont care about the inane ramblings of someone on the internet, why must you try to force me to draw a line in the sand ...I've already answered

Or would it be one sided against your view on it? So far HatRabit, Pericolos0, Shakermaker, X_i_Z_o_R have shown their true colors against the men and women who protect us, will you join with them or no?

:upstare: you're a freakin fascist arent you? the men and woman who "protect" you? What a ****ing joke ..as if the war in iraq is about protecting americans ..if that was true you wouldnt be there in the first place. I find it extremely disconcerting that you'll scream for the deaths of those that would "betray" you yet turn a blind eye to the ones that lied to you and sent 1500 americans to their deaths for nothing more than selfish reasons ..where's your outrage? where's your anger at the bush administration?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I really dont care about the inane ramblings of someone on the internet, why must you try to force me to draw a line in the sand ...I've already answered

Because his ramblings have garnered national attention and are starting to draw actual supporters. You haven't answered, all you've said is that he has a right to say it, which he does- you personally haven't stated whether or not you agree with him. That needed to be pointed out, whether or not you're going to say you do or not it should be brought into the open.

:upstare: you're a freakin fascist arent you? the men and woman who "protect" you? What a ****ing joke ..as if the war in iraq is about protecting americans ..if that was true you wouldnt be there in the first place. I find it extremely disconcerting that you'll scream for the deaths of those that would "betray" you yet turn a blind eye to the ones that lied to you and sent 1500 americans to their deaths for nothing more than selfish reasons ..where's your outrage? where's your anger at the bush administration?

What's causing you for some reason to see this as some legitimate protest against US involvement- it's NOTHING to do with that. Have you actually viewed the website? This Crook character is railing against the 'massive benefits' US servicemen receive and he cheers their deaths.

Stern, an excerpt from the site.
"U.S. Soldier= Poster child for retroactive abortion "

"Number of US soldiers killed in the Iraq War, of their own doing, because they CHOSE to be leeches: 1,583. These scumbags asked for it, and got it. Simper Cry"

I rightfully have anger at this bastard. I don't 'call' for his death. But if it happened you definately wouldn't see me weeping about it.

Maybe it's different when people close to you are involved. I don't know if you can see that or not, but I wonder how you'll act when someone cheers the death of someone you love.

 

[CptStern]

Because his ramblings have garnered national attention and are starting to draw actual supporters.

5? 6? 304? 1259?

You haven't answered, all you've said is that he has a right to say it

bingo, that sounds like an answer to me

, which he does

you dont believe that. you called for his death

you personally haven't stated whether or not you agree with him. That needed to be pointed out, whether or not you're going to say you do or not it should be brought into the open.

why?

What's causing you for some reason to see this as some legitimate protest against US involvement- it's NOTHING to do with that.

what makes you think that? the fact that I called him "insane" a "nut" and his ramblings "inane"?

Have you actually viewed the website?

briefly

Stern, an excerpt from the site.
"U.S. Soldier= Poster child for retroactive abortion "

snappy headline ..dead give away to his insanity ..<ctrl w>

"Number of US soldiers killed in the Iraq War, of their own doing, because they CHOSE to be leeches: 1,583. These scumbags asked for it, and got it. Simper Cry"

it's purposefully inflammatory and again ....insane ramblings ..<ctrl w>..<ctrl w> dam pop ups

I rightfully have anger at this bastard. I don't 'call' for his death.

close enough:

they surely will get the same glee from me when they find themselves gutted. It's unfortunate he wasn't killed

But if it happened you definately wouldn't see me weeping about it.

toned down but message is the same

Maybe it's different when people close to you are involved. I don't know if you can see that or not, but I wonder how you'll act when someone cheers the death of someone you love.

you're bound to have nuts on both sides of any issue ..you're right it doesnt affect me, but even if it did he's one voice in a sea of voices

unless of course it was directed at my family not my profession as is the case here


"all web designers are scum and deserve to die!!!"

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

5? 6? 304? 1259?

Hell if I know, but he is.

bingo, that sounds like an answer to me

Not to the poll question. It wasn't asking whether he had the right to say it or not.

you dont believe that. you called for his death

I never called for his death. I never said I'd be unhappy if it happened, though.

why?

Because there was no reason to not answer the poll, and in refusing to do so it gave the implication you didn't want to to put a highly inflammatory and hated opinion up there for everybody to see.

What's causing you for some reason to see this as some legitimate protest against US involvement- it's NOTHING to do with that.

what makes you think that? the fact that I called him "insane" a "nut" and his ramblings "inane"?

That doesn't make sense, unless you're now agreeing with me that it's nothing to do with that.

toned down but message is the same

The message is clear and simple- if he died I'd be glad he was gone. There isn't anything 'to it' beyond that.

you're bound to have nuts on both sides of any issue ..you're right it doesnt affect me, but even if it did he's one voice in a sea of voices

unless of course it was directed at my family not my profession as is the case here


"all web designers are scum and deserve to die!!!"

How about this for a better example, your web designer friend ended up rolling over a bomb planted on the road, ripping him to pieces, and then this guy comes to say "This dumbass scum got what he deserved!"

The thing about this is they are dying and this guy is cheering it. When you have folks involved, it's on an entire different level :/

 

[Busithoth]

Because there was no reason to not answer the poll, and in refusing to do so it gave the implication you didn't want to to put a highly inflammatory and hated opinion up there for everybody to see.

this is terrible, and a beautiful example of why we are allowed to vote anonymously in elections. the implication you infer is from within you. Badgering someone for not jumping on the bandwagon? Are you just itching for a flame war?

If anything, you're just proving to Stern that sanity has no power here, by his own logic.

oh, and BTW, that Hannity and Colmes link was anything but him getting torn apart on TV. they knew beforehand what he was for, it was just sensationalist TV. trot out some asshat who has an indefensible (and unredeemable) position to elicit a visceral response from audience. You can see the disgust on Greta's face as they get ready to check in with a real person.

The site was down when I checked, though. that link gave me enough of an idea as to what this nimrod was about, though. freaking tool.

 

[CptStern]

Hell if I know, but he is.

well if you dont know the actual figures how do you know he's "popular"?

Not to the poll question. It wasn't asking whether he had the right to say it or not.

give it a rest, I gave my answer

I never called for his death. I never said I'd be unhappy if it happened, though.

no you didnt ...by saying:

"they surely will get the same glee from me when they find themselves gutted"

you agree with the people who would kill him because of his opinion ..you're still advocating his death

Because there was no reason to not answer the poll, and in refusing to do so it gave the implication you didn't want to to put a highly inflammatory and hated opinion up there for everybody to see.

I think Busithoth did a good enough job when he said:

"this is terrible, and a beautiful example of why we are allowed to vote anonymously in elections. the implication you infer is from within you. Badgering someone for not jumping on the bandwagon?"

thanks :thumbs: and welcome to HL2.net

that doesn't make sense, unless you're now agreeing with me that it's nothing to do with that.

sure it does ...I said he was insane, a nut and his ramblings were inane ..what does that mean to you? ....errrr could it be that I'm writing him off as a nut?

The message is clear and simple- if he died I'd be glad he was gone. There isn't anything 'to it' beyond that.

sure there is: see above

How about this for a better example, your web designer friend ended up rolling over a bomb planted on the road, ripping him to pieces, and then this guy comes to say "This dumbass scum got what he deserved!"

oh so it's a friend of mine who was killed ...well that's different is it not? because he's directing his vitroil directly toward a friend of mine ...so unless a friend of your was killed and he specificallly said: "your friend is scum and deserved to die" it wasnt specifically aimed at you

The thing about this is they are dying and this guy is cheering it. When you have folks involved, it's on an entire different level :/

look his language may be inflammatory but he does have a right to state it ...in some ways he is right: the US is responsible for every civilian death in Iraq ...whether they pulled the trigger or not they're still responsible

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

well if you dont know the actual figures how do you know he's "popular"?

I never said he was "popular"- I said he is gaining supporters, which he is. His posted mail shows that.

give it a rest, I gave my answer

Well, if you're giving him a thumbs down for what he said (I'm assuming, as -again- the poll question isn't about if he is allowed to say it, it's whether or not you approve) why didn't you just vote? In not doing so, it DID seem like you were afraid to voice an opinion that would be unpopular, and that's why I called you on it.

no you didnt ...by saying:

"they surely will get the same glee from me when they find themselves gutted"

you agree with the people who would kill him because of his opinion ..you're still advocating his death

I don't agree witha nyone who would kill him, if they did, they'll be punished in the courts. But will I be happy that he's gone? Yes. It's the same logic as a person who was against the war being happy that Saddam has been captured.

I think Busithoth did a good enough job when he said:

"this is terrible, and a beautiful example of why we are allowed to vote anonymously in elections. the implication you infer is from within you. Badgering someone for not jumping on the bandwagon?"

thanks :thumbs: and welcome to HL2.net

Of course you don't have to tell me what you'd vote for, but if you've got some reason to hide it in a question like this I sure as hell am going to ask you some tough questions and make some inferences about why you didn't. Free speech swings both ways.

sure it does ...I said he was insane, a nut and his ramblings were inane ..what does that mean to you? ....errrr could it be that I'm writing him off as a nut?

At first, with our anger to him, you posted about how we get angry at anyone opposed to the war. I then made it clear that this case has nothing to do with being for or against the war but this man literally 'forsaking the troops.' I asked you why you were seeing it as some legitimate protest to the war or something, and you said "what makes you think that"

Your first posts did, but then you said that so I assumed you were now agreeing with me that it's NOT a legitimate protest to the war.

sure there is: see above

No, there isn't. I'm the person who said it. Do I call for his death? No. If it happened would I be happy? Yeah.

oh so it's a friend of mine who was killed ...well that's different is it not? because he's directing his vitroil directly toward a friend of mine ...so unless a friend of your was killed and he specificallly said: "your friend is scum and deserved to die" it wasnt specifically aimed at you

Yeah I'll see if you still feel the same way towards an attack like that after it does happen to you :/. 'not specifically aimed at you' my ass.

look his language may be inflammatory but he does have a right to state it ...in some ways he is right: the US is responsible for every civilian death in Iraq ...whether they pulled the trigger or not they're still responsible

We are responsible for any civilians that are accidently killed by us, and I pray for forgiveness from any of their families that were, and hope they'll understand how and why. But, no. The civillians killed by terrorists we are not responsible for their deaths.

 

[CptStern]

I never said he was "popular"- I said he is gaining supporters, which he is. His posted mail shows that.

but how many? 10? 20? 300? ...in a population of close to 300,000,000 that doesnt even register

Well, if you're giving him a thumbs down for what he said (I'm assuming, as -again- the poll question isn't about if he is allowed to say it, it's whether or not you approve) why didn't you just vote?

back to square one: because the poll is stupid

In not doing so, it DID seem like you were afraid to voice an opinion that would be unpopular

? ...I'm sure most people here would agree that most of my opinions are unpopular

and that's why I called you on it.

called me on it? it's more like a witch hunt or an "outing" ...why does it matter to you?

I don't agree witha nyone who would kill him, if they did, they'll be punished in the courts. But will I be happy that he's gone? Yes. It's the same logic as a person who was against the war being happy that Saddam has been captured.

no it's not ..it's more like the assembeled mob who cried "Barabas Barabas" when they had the opportunity to save Jesus. Again I reiterate:

"they surely will get the same glee from me when they find themselves gutted"

that's implied agreement ...you're saying he should be held accountable for what he said, and the punishment should be death

you agree with the people who would kill him because of his opinion ..you're still advocating his death

Of course you don't have to tell me what you'd vote for, but if you've got some reason to hide it in a question like this I sure as hell am going to ask you some tough questions and make some inferences about why you didn't. Free speech swings both ways.

:upstare: ....for the last time: the poll is one sided, it's biased and provides no information from the results ..it's like having a poll on which multi party government you support but then only giving one choice:

"which party do you support?

a. republican

At first, with our anger to him, you posted about how we get angry at anyone opposed to the war. I then made it clear that this case has nothing to do with being for or against the war but this man literally 'forsaking the troops.' I asked you why you were seeing it as some legitimate protest to the war or something, and you said "what makes you think that"

when I said anyone who was opposed to the war, I didnt specifically refer to him, I was generalising ...you fail to understand this but I didnt give that site, it's content or that person more than a cursorary thought ...why? BECAUSE HE"S A FREAKIN NUT ..his whole argument is dismissed because "he's a freakin nut"

Your first posts did, but then you said that so I assumed you were now agreeing with me that it's NOT a legitimate protest to the war.

again, I was generalising ...I said what I said because it's true: the right tries to silence the dissenters by shouting them down ...isnt that what Protest Warior is all about? isnt that what anne coulter's all about, isnt that what Bill oreilly does? how often have I been attacked by the right because of my opinion?

Yeah I'll see if you still feel the same way towards an attack like that after it does happen to you :/. 'not specifically aimed at you' my ass.

you missed my point entirely

We are responsible for any civilians that are accidently killed by us, and I pray for forgiveness from any of their families that were, and hope they'll understand how and why. But, no. The civillians killed by terrorists we are not responsible for their deaths.

you are responsible for EVERY death since March 19, 2003 ..you invaded based on a lie, you opened the pandoras box. YOU are responsible

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

but how many? 10? 20? 300? ...in a population of close to 300,000,000 that doesnt even register

One is too many.

back to square one: because the poll is stupid

It got four people to show their true colors, and I'm sure most forum users have lost all respect for them, it was useful in that aspect.

? ...I'm sure most people here would agree that most of my opinions are unpopular

Are you kidding me? Maybe with the two or three other conservatives besides me here. This forum is by majority very leftist.

called me on it? it's more like a witch hunt or an "outing" ...why does it matter to you?

Outing is a suitable word I'd guess. Yes, those who voted thumbs up I would try to out. I'd get as many people as possible to know they supported that swine. They don't have to tell me at all what they voted for. But if I asked them after this question and they wouldn't answer, it's pretty clear what they voted for anyway. There's a difference when voting for a candidate and an issue. People either: Wouldn't care about being outed assuming they didn't vote for a baby molester or something, or they wouldn't tell you no matter what they voted as in a worst case scenerio the politician could garner too much power and take revenge.

no it's not ..it's more like the assembeled mob who cried "Barabas Barabas" when they had the opportunity to save Jesus. Again I reiterate:

"they surely will get the same glee from me when they find themselves gutted"

that's implied agreement ...you're saying he should be held accountable for what he said, and the punishment should be death

you agree with the people who would kill him because of his opinion ..you're still advocating his death

Excuse me, I'm the one who said this. Iam the one who knows what I said and meant.

Do I advocate him being killed? No. Clearly I've said that probably four times already. I would be happy if he was dead and gone though.

You can try to twist and take it however you want, I've made it clear. "implied meaning analyzed the words" <- Or how about you take what I said clearly.

:upstare: ....for the last time: the poll is one sided, it's biased and provides no information from the results ..it's like having a poll on which multi party government you support but then only giving one choice:

"which party do you support?

a. republican

How is it possibly biased? There are two options, Thumbs up (support) and Thumbs down (Do not support)
You either do or don't, the only way you couldn't have an opinion is if you didn't know anything about what was going on at all.

A more suitable example would be
"Do you support the Republican administration?"
A: Yes.
B: No.

when I said anyone who was opposed to the war, I didnt specifically refer to him, I was generalising ...you fail to understand this but I didnt give that site, it's content or that person more than a cursorary thought ...why? BECAUSE HE"S A FREAKIN NUT ..his whole argument is dismissed because "he's a freakin nut"

Then why did you even bring it up, as this discussion was about this Crook character and his forsakethetroops website. I hadn't mentioned any anti war protestors or anything in the text you first quoted me on and said that. You just pulled it out of nowhere with no relevence that we get angry at antiwar activists.

again, I was generalising ...I said what I said because it's true: the right tries to silence the dissenters by shouting them down ...isnt that what Protest Warior is all about? isnt that what anne coulter's all about, isnt that what Bill oreilly does? how often have I been attacked by the right because of my opinion?

If anyone the left tries to silence voices of dissent. Protest Warrior is simply a counter voice at protests. At protests they're regularly assaulted, shouted down, have people try to tear their signs down, and so on. The door of free speech goes both ways. Stating an opinion and then whining because it was shot down, berated and rebuttled is silly.

you missed my point entirely

Or it seems you simply don't understand until it happens. This fool believes that every troop killed deserves what they got. He's made that clear, and in all recent news stories that he's posted he's singles out the individual soldiers killed and called them morons. That is personal. Maybe you don't have people involved or haven't lost anyone close, but if you have you certainly wouldn't feel the same as you do now.

you are responsible for EVERY death since March 19, 2003 ..you invaded based on a lie, you opened the pandoras box. YOU are responsible

If you're going to get into "WMD'S AS A LIE" this is going nowhere, not to mention, if you actually watched the State of the Union address where the reasons were laid out and actual read the bill that congress voted on to authorize the invasion, the freedom of the Iraqi people and the removal of Saddam the tyrant were just as big issues as the WMD.