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And I think every female in the world should read it.


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Ode to the Nice Guys
This rant was written for the Wharton Undergraduate Journal

This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

If you read all that, I'm happy, as I have been in this situation before. Isn't it irrational how girls tend to end up sleeping with the guy that treats her like shit the next morning, instead of the guy who's happy to get up at 8:00 while she's sleeping soundly to make her breakfast?

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Cha Cha Cha.
 
im pretty sure that was written for me.

good find, thanks for posting it.
 
I needed to hear that. Being a nice guy sucks... here's hoping there's some form of an afterlife to compensate for it.
 
I'm supposed to be the mysterious nice guy who no one knows anything about yet everyone wants a piece of me. Damn you Shens! Damn you!
 
and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!”

Wow that sounds like...hmmmmm this past week, YAY! Oh and the asshole bf issue, damn I was right....and she got sick of him...Who'd of thought! Now I shall ask her out then her tell me just be friends! go me....*dies* lol
 
Shens said:
I'm supposed to be the mysterious nice guy who no one knows anything about yet everyone wants a piece of me. Damn you Shens! Damn you!

Why must you be so mysterious?

DAMN YOU!
 
Much appreciated. I'm currently on my way to marital bliss, but it was a lonely ride getting here.
 
The problem does not lie just with the woman, but with this so-called nice guy. Insecurity in relationships is not a turn-on for a large number of women, or so I have been told. Most nice guys are nothing more than narcissistic conceited attention whores. All you have to do is step back and take a damned good look at yourself without any of your pretentious nice guy bias if you truly want to change. I have half a mind to spam the words EMOEMOEMOEMOEMOEMOEMO over and over again in this thread.

Please note that my advice could probably fail in a shitastically awesome fireworksy manner and are wrong yo.

Mysteriousness is a grand illusion that will fade away if you do not feed it.
 
Nice find, it sucks being a nice guy, but I wouldn't want to change for anything.
 
sounds like he's just trying to make excuses cause he cant get any poon.
 
Shens said:
The problem does not lie just with the woman, but with this so-called nice guy. Insecurity in relationships is not a turn-on for a large number of women, or so I have been told. Most nice guys are nothing more than narcissistic conceited attention whores. All you have to do is step back and take a damned good look at yourself without any of your pretentious nice guy bias if you truly want to change. I have half a mind to spam the words EMOEMOEMOEMOEMOEMOEMO over and over again in this thread.

Please note that my advice could probably fail in a shitastically awesome fireworksy manner and are wrong yo.

Mysteriousness is a grand illusion that will fade away if you do not feed it.

Yep, your obviously not a nice guy. I pretty much fit the description of the post, and whats worse is that I work with the girl. Narcissistic attention whore?? Thats the complete opposite of what was described, and is in no way what a nice guy is. You contradict yourself also. You said nice guys are insecure, and then you call them narcissistic. that make no sence! If we were attention whores we would be the ones calling people and talking about random shit, not pausing our game to listen to someone else. The biggest thing to get from the post is that nice guys LISTEN. Listening doesnt get you any attention. So yeah "Narcissistic attention whore" is basically the opposite of what you think nice guys are.
 
And so, my disclaimer is put into effect and supported with a relatively strong argument and an overall dissemination of my post.
 
There is no need to be sorry. A counter-argument was not only expected, it was inevitable (here is Valve).

My posts contain all sorts of backdoors and counter-arguments that one can exploit to form a rebuttal.
 
Well, I was trying to read this article, but a friend called me halfway through to tell me about her terrible day.
 
Everyone needs attention.

Attention is a good thing as long as it doesn't impede on the rights of others.

I'm a nice guy until I get an erection.
 
That was a good read. I've experienced girls like that before. One in particular had a xanga or blog or whatever the **** was "the thing" a couple of years ago, and the night after we met, she wrote in it that she had just found the nicest guy she could ever hope for. However, 3 days later, she has her friend tell me that she doesn't want to go out with me anymore. Literally the next day, I see her hanging on to some other guy. :/
 
Not all nice guys finish last. It especially helps if you're a nice guy and a little bit different from the rest of the nice guys.

My best mate Gav, he's half mauritian. And in Australia, it isn't a typically rare thing, but you certainly stand out more than the white guys. I think thats the reason he's a stud.
 
I'm a nice guy with a girlfriend, and we're going great. Not all nice guys finish last, you just need to make some moves every now and then :p
 
Meh, everyone thinks he's a 'nice guy', including me; but we can't all be nice, chaps, as then supposedly nobody would get laid :rolling:
 
Awww i guess tht can be true sometimes.
I'm a nice guy with a girlfriend, and we're going great. Not all nice guys finish last, you just need to make some moves every now and then
However I do agree with you.
My boyfriend is the nicest guy i have ever known and its so lush!
 
Love...such a small chemical reaction within the brain, yet it makes the world turn. Also...screw the nice guy routine and just be ya'll selves. Hell I'm nice, but I'm an ass also. You just gotta figure out which one you have to be more of sometimes. ;)
 
Im a nice guy, im an ass, im a weird guy, im a pimp, im a mosher, im crazy, im Evo.

All that is true, ask Gui! if he comes on this thread, he'll tell you whether it's true or not.

Overall, being nice is all well and good, (i did it basically all the years before college) but being a nice unique guy is what makes you a winner
 
I hate being the nice guy, but it still happens.

Recently, I've made a strong effort to be an absolute prick - and it works.
Strange how that when I start caring, though, they don't want to know. Still, gives me good variety.

-Angry Lawyer
 
What, Sulk, me and you? I'm up for it, but you're wearing the dress.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Shens knows what hes talking about!

I'm a "nice guy", but that just means im too shy for my own good.
 
As the Greenday song goes, "Nice guys finish last" well maybe not always, but sometimes :bounce:
 
CHEERS FOR US NICE GUYS! We are far and few between these days. But damnit, we are the best there is.

Here's to us kicking ass in the near future with the ladies.
 
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