France's Labor Situation

[Fishlore]

I was very surprised that there wasn't anything on the first two pages about this. Sorry if I missed something.

I was just wondering if there were any French teenagers here. I was curious about their take on the situation. Is it true that unemployment for 18-25 year olds is about 25% in France? I've read in the news many times what deVillipen's (sp?) plan is. The news never seems to mention the proposals from the other side. I was curious what the other side's idea of a solution is.

 

[The Monkey]

The French are used to demostrate rather... violent. A remain from the revolution, I suppose. France is a beautiful country, but they have some of worst economical situations in Europe, I'm afraid that that is not only the politicans fault, but the people of France, especially the farmers, also tend to be very stubborn and conservative (not as a political ideology).

 

[Solaris]

The labour laws are crap though.

 

[gick]

The labour laws are crap though.

And getting even crappier, now that the government wants to make it easier to fire young people. Apparently its supposed to reduce unemployment. Not sure how they worked that out.

 

[Raziaar]

Wait... back it up a minute.

France isn't perfect?






Unemployment sucks. I'm currently unemployed.

 

[Fishlore]

And getting even crappier, now that the government wants to make it easier to fire young people. Apparently its supposed to reduce unemployment. Not sure how they worked that out.

You don't understand how it would reduce unemployment?

Imagine being an employer and you need to hire someone. Are you telling me you're going to take a chance hiring a fresh graduate with zero experience that you're forced to employ for a lifetime? If I was forced to hire someone and that someone would have to be employed for a lifetime, I'd take the older guy that has experience ten times out of ten.

I'm nearly 30. I've been out of college since 1999. In that time I've had 5 different serious career oriented jobs. I wouldn't trade that for anything. It's made me a much better and more competitive employee. I've had to learn numerous new skills in order to stay relevant. I have to work more efficiently than my peers.

The protestors, from what I've read at least, want the job security and gurantees that their parents had. A noble cause, but an idealistic one. My father had one and only one job for his entire life just like a common Perisian. The problem is, the world doesn't work that way anymore. He had one and I've been out of school for 7 years and I've already had 5.

I've read many times that adaptation is the key to life. We live in a global economy now. If an entire nation is willing to resist adaptation to the changes around them, they'll become even less relevant than they already are, their economy even poorer than before.

That's why I was curious what the strikers had in mind. What is their proposal. If you're going to piss in the face of people trying to give you some relief to the 25% unemployment problem, you must have something good in mind. I don't hear anything from these people. What leverage do these unemployed rioters have in this situation? They're just pulling their nation's already weak economy down with them.

 

[Razor]

The French live in an incredibly backward society and should update their entire systems to something more a long the lines of what Britain has today. What Margaret Thatcher did for Britain, a French politician needs to do with France.

 

[kirovman]

I think the proposed law is a good idea.

Employers will be prepared to take the chance to take on young people, knowing they can get rid of them: only if the young person is hopeless at the job.

It's essentially a move to get away from this "job for life" idea (which causes people to get lazy, and the innovation, production, quality, etc stagnates).

 

[Gray Fox]

Kirovman is right. Right now it's even hard to fire someone even if they underperform.

 

[JellyWorld]

The French are permanently on strike. It's a surprise they get anything done.

 

[15357]

Their goverment should not, and morally cannot back down to these... dissidents and vile communists that threaten society and the economy by illegally not working and clashing with law enforcement officers.

It is the corporation's right to fire any unsatisfactory employee anytime, anywhere.

 

[Solaris]

What Margaret Thatcher did for Britain, a French politician needs to do with France.

Rape it's poor?
If you can fire someone without having to give warning or reason, it just allows all sorts of discrimination to take place, makes it easier to reduce wages... it's just wrong, why not invest in the public sector create more decent jobs there. Hell why doesn't the state build a few buissnesses to hire the unemployed and set up say farms and stuff.

 

[Razor]

Rape it's poor?
If you can fire someone without having to give warning or reason, it just allows all sorts of discrimination to take place, makes it easier to reduce wages... it's just wrong, why not invest in the public sector create more decent jobs there. Hell why doesn't the state build a few buissnesses to hire the unemployed and set up say farms and stuff.

When you have some idiot who doesn't bother working and doesn't show up for work most of the time and you can't fire them and still have to pay them...that is the problem.

France is behind a lot of countries when it comes to labour laws and business practices and it is starting to hurt the French economy really badly.

The only thing Margaret Thatcher did was to sort out the Unions, Unions can be a good thing but generally aren't. She sorted them out so that they no longer hold the country to ransom and try to take over the free world.

 

[Fishlore]

Rape it's poor?
If you can fire someone without having to give warning or reason, it just allows all sorts of discrimination to take place, makes it easier to reduce wages... it's just wrong, why not invest in the public sector create more decent jobs there. Hell why doesn't the state build a few buissnesses to hire the unemployed and set up say farms and stuff.

If you can't fire someone for not doing their job.... it's just wrong. It's bad business practice. It destroys a company's revenue and prevents them from hiring people that are willing to work hard. It destroys the worker's motivation and efficiency. When you have an enitre country behaving this way you have a freefalling economy unable to keep up with the globalization of business and skyrocketing unemployment rates.

Where does this money come from to create these farms and pay the people to work them? The French government? The economy is a wreck and growth is stagnant. How many French college graduates are going to move to the suburbs to go work on a government subsidized farm anyway?

 

[Solaris]

The only thing Margaret Thatcher did was to sort out the Unions, Unions can be a good thing but generally aren't. She sorted them out so that they no longer hold the country to ransom and try to take over the free world.

They had to hold the country to ransom. How were thoose people who were employed in coal mines supposed to feed there children when they had just lost their job, and there were no other jobs in the area and they have no money to move? Magret Thatcher and her capitalist elite didn't care for people like them, they just wanted to protect the intrests of the rich, and the unions were getting in the way of that so she took on the mother of all unions and won. Without unions were back to the 19th century where bosses don't pay people enough to live off, oranised workers industiral meetings are banned, and strikes are shot at.

The workers are the building blocks of society, and deserve more power.

Where does this money come from to create these farms and pay the people to work them? The French government? The economy is a wreck and growth is stagnant. How many French college graduates are going to move to the suburbs to go work on a government subsidized farm anyway?

Where does the money come from? The farm will make money for the government, state owned buissness's are the way forward.

If you can't fire someone for not doing their job.... it's just wrong. It's bad business practice. It destroys a company's revenue and prevents them from hiring people that are willing to work hard. It destroys the worker's motivation and efficiency. When you have an enitre country behaving this way you have a freefalling economy unable to keep up with the globalization of business and skyrocketing unemployment rates.

Change the rules, why not adopt rules similar to here in England? I don't no alot on British labour laws but my understanding is that it's a sort of balance, people can be fired. But only fairly after a few warnings. Why not give both sides rights?

 

[Fishlore]

...state owned buissness's are the way forward.

LOL, okay if you say so. If that is Europe's best option to move forward, God help the Europeans. In this context, that's like asking your country to turn communist so you can have job security.

Change the rules, why not adopt rules similar to here in England? I don't no alot on British labour laws but my understanding is that it's a sort of balance, people can be fired. But only fairly after a few warnings. Why not give both sides rights?

Why not indeed. It's not me you have to convince, it's the French. That's why I started this thread. I wanted to know what the French workers that are rioting have in mind. What is their proposal? They have to have something in mind. Listening to their demands, I don't think they'd appreciate your proposal anymore than they are embracing this current one.

 

[Solaris]

LOL, okay if you say so. If that is Europe's best option to move forward, God help the Europeans. In this context, that's like asking your country to turn communist so you can have job security.

That's exactly what I'm asking.

Why not indeed. It's not me you have to convince, it's the French. That's why I started this thread. I wanted to know what the French workers that are rioting have in mind. What is their proposal? They have to have something in mind. Listening to their demands, I don't think they'd appreciate your proposal anymore than they are embracing this current one.

Our system is in no way perfect, but better.