Georgia Governor prays for rain

[CptStern]

Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue stepped up to a podium outside the state Capitol on Tuesday and led a solemn crowd of several hundred people in a prayer for rain on his drought-stricken state.

"We've come together here simply for one reason and one reason only: To very reverently and respectfully pray up a storm," Perdue said after a choir provided a hymn.

"God, we need you," Perdue said. "We need rain."

wtf? if this happened in canada Perdue would be waiting in the unemployment line ..seriously did people forget the separation of church and state?

Nearby, some 20 demonstrators from the Atlanta Freethought Society staged a protest against the holding of a religious observance at the seat of state government. Police moved them when they cordoned off the streets before the event, and none were in sight at the end of the service.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i4t5jEhhu6UbFKARr55RDXGPd3HgD8ST100G0

"I believe in miracles," declared Pastor Maurice Watson of Beulahland Bible Church. "How about you?"

**** off you nutjob

20 people thought it was batshit insane? only 20 people?

 

[99.vikram]

What if YOU were living in drought conditions and....nevermind, on second thought this is just too stupid to excuse.

 

[No Limit]

I'm waiting for the day someone in a high poisition starts reading the koran and watch all these hypocrites go batshit crazy.

 

[Maxi]

The "I BELIEVE IN MIRACLES!" song came to mind.

 

[Tyguy]

I hope its hails

 

[Irksome]

A few months from now it starts to rain and the Gov. will come back out and say "See I told you miracles happen...months later."

:angel:

 

[K e r b e r o s]

wtf? if this happened in canada Perdue would be waiting in the unemployment line ..seriously did people forget the separation of church and state?

It's his right to pray, publicly or privately, or whether or not he leads it in mass.

He just can't let his religion interfere with the rights of others -- for example, buttsechs.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

The crap thing is is that when rain does evntually come, he'll say "I told you so!"

 

[Mr Stabby]

wtf? if this happened in canada Perdue would be waiting in the unemployment line ..seriously did people forget the separation of church and state?

As long as he doesn't use state taxes to pay for his prayer club hes doing nothing wrong.

 

[CptStern]

yes I realise separation of church and state is supposed to protect from laws that are either supportive or against religious beliefs however that's not the point ...he was there as a representative of the state ..which is why I said "separation of church and state" ..i didnt mean legally but rather figuratively ..I should have better explained myself but there you have it

Sonny Perdue stepped up to a podium outside the state Capitol on Tuesday and led a solemn crowd of several hundred people in a prayer for rain on his drought-stricken state

 

[K e r b e r o s]

he was there as a representative of the state ..which is why I said "separation of church and state"

A reprensentative of the state is not restricted his right to express his religious beliefs to the people or himself, he is however given a specific guideline: not to allow his religion to interfere with public rights.

 

[CptStern]

A reprensentative of the state is not restricted his right to express his religious beliefs to the people or himself, he is however given a specific guideline: not to allow his religion to interfere with public rights.

did you miss the part about leading the prayer as a representative of the state? you miss my point

 

[Raziaar]

When even the priest says praying is pointless.

 

[phantomdesign]

Wow, these days people are more offended by someone praying than two 500 pound sweaty ........... having butsechs in your living-room.

 

[delusional]

The drought is so bad that Atlanta is going to run out of water in a couple months. What happens then, the whole city moves? You better be praying!

/sarcasm​

 

[K e r b e r o s]

did you miss the part about leading the prayer as a representative of the state?

Did you miss the part about how I don't care? What I care about is whether or not this man is going to allow me and whoever, the right to have buttsechs. Pray all he wants -- just as long as I've got my rights, its no big thing.

 

[CptStern]

Did you miss the part about how I don't care? What I care about is whether or not this man is going to allow me and whoever, the right to have buttsechs. Pray all he wants -- just as long as I've got my rights, its no big thing.

yes I'm sure a politician who prays for rain will advocate for gay rights ..in fact the bible commands him to do so

"and Jebus says free buttsechs for all"

and if you dont care why did you bother posting in this thread? troll much?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

yes I'm sure a politician who prays for rain will advocate for gay rights ..

Some have in the past:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/101807/met_209423458.shtml

and if you dont care why did you bother posting in this thread? troll much?

I still don't care whether he prays or not -- his remarks aren't threatening in the least. Why should I be paranoid about some guy, who, is more praying for rain like a Cherokee Indian, then an televanglist, praying for my child to be released from some homosexual demon ala Pat Robertson?

Well, I'll tell you why. Because theres a difference -- this is'int extremism; there's a drought, and he feels his deity can help. If it all works out, let it rain -- if it doesn't, than it least he's doing whatever floats his boat to get him through this crisis.

Just let it be.

 

[CptStern]

Some have in the past:

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/101807/met_209423458.shtml

a preacher is not a politician, your point is meaningless

I still don't care whether he preaches or not -- is it not my right to say his choice is such a minimally threatening thing?

Yep. Welcome to the politics thread, where people are entitled to they're own opinions AND to disagree with you.

no this is trolling it's not stating an opinion ..I dont care about dozens of topics in the forums in every gaddam section but were I too visit every one of those threads and posted "I dont care about this topic" I would be banned for trolling ..this is what you are doing, not stating your opinion ..you are stating you dont care ..that is NOT an opinion

 

[K e r b e r o s]

a preacher is not a politician, your point is meaningless

No, it still has a point because many politicians, especially in the South, were former preachers. It's also a very good point to establish because "Politicians" are also "people" and aren't that different from us.

And "people" have different cultural backgrounds, religious beliefs, or none at all.

It's America -- freedom of speech, let him pray. I don't care -- as long as people are able to carry on with they're lives, like they're doing.

"I dont care about this topic" I would be banned for trolling

Rant to me in a PM, CptStern.

 

[CptStern]

No, it still has a point because many politicians, especially in the South, were former preachers. It's also a very good point to establish because "Politicians" are also "people" and aren't that different from us.

that's completely ridiculous ..preachers are human, politicians are human therefore preachers are politicians and politicians are preachers? ..your logic is completely ridiculous

And "people" have different cultural backgrounds, religious beliefs, or none at all.

It's America -- freedom of speech, let him pray. I don't care -- as long as people are able to carry on with they're lives, like they're doing.



Rant to me in a PM, CptStern.

stop trolling and I wont have to

 

[K e r b e r o s]

that's completely ridiculous ..preachers are human, politicians are human therefore preachers are politicians and politicians are preachers? ..your logic is completely ridiculous

Weight it like this:

A Politician has the right to practise whatever he feels like, publicly or privately.
As long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of the people and leading a public prayer is not against a single law in the constitution, or the subsequent Congressional and Judicial laws that followed after.

 

[TheDude]

As long as he isn't God doesn't guide this guys decisions, I don't see there is anything wrong with praying publically. Droughts are well beyond the control of man, and the only entity we could look to for help is God.

 

[jverne]

As long as he isn't God doesn't guide this guys decisions, I don't see there is anything wrong with praying publically. Droughts are well beyond the control of man, and the only entity we could look to for help is God.

idiot

 

[theotherguy]

He is, of course, doing it for the vote.

It's simply another sad example of ignorance and borderline theocracy which grips mainstream American politics.

EDIT: And this isn't simply about the man's private belief. He is using state resources to endorse a particular religious belief, which has been determined by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional. Nothing will be done though, because he's not enacting legislation. Its just like George Bush's ridiculous "faith based initiatives" which the Supreme Court seems to be completely blind to.

 

[Top Secret]

Actually Stern, while I think religion is evil, I have to side with Kerb on this one. He's right.

As long as the politician isn't putting in legislation to thwart peoples rights, I really don't have a problem with it. It's freedom of speech. I think you're going a little too far. I acknowledge that he believes there is a floating figure in the sky playing us all like puppets, and is therefor crazy, but unfortunately I don't have any proof to the contrary, so that is moot in my opinion. A public prayer by a politician is completely constitutional. Just as a public atheist convention should be.

If people realize he is a religious nut, which they won't because it's the south, then as a natural consequence he will be voted out of office.

And as I said, as much as I hate religion, I almost commend the guy for caring about the people he presides over so much. At least you know he is genuine. =/

 

[Fliko]

And as I said, as much as I hate religion, I almost commend the guy for caring about the people he presides over so much. At least you know he is genuine. =/

Exactly. It's not a big deal, just because he is a politician doesn't mean he can't have human rights too.
Even if you were in the crowd and against religon (Which is stupid in itself. Believe in what you want, you don't need to bash other people for what they believe in), you didn't have to pray.

And CptStern, your only showing immaturity by calling troll.

 

[RidleyRockets]

I dont like it, it brings a lot of attention to silly superstition.

When it does rain they will say it was sent by God. They should pray for those with missing limbs to sprout new arms or legs, i'd wadger God will be conveniantly busy when it comes to answering those.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Last I heard it rained the next day. LOL.

Anywho, the separation of church and state doesn't mean ban all church from state, it means take no religion superior to the state or use it as a superior in the state. Hell, he could be a freking kabalah from buttseksistan praying to hairy balls and chowder for all I care. It's his right. I'm Christian, and would pray if I were in his stance. Who cares? until he calls a crusade or inquisition, it shouldn't even be a thing to fuss over.

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

LOL, rain heading their way. No alot, but it's starting.

http://www.weather.com/maps/news/forecastsummary/uscurrentweather_large.html

 

[fido139]

WHY, does prayer bother you so much? Make sure you UNDERSTAND the definition of "separation of church and stae".

Now Lets look at a ruling the US Supreme Court has made regarding the separation of church and state.

Everson v. Board of Education (1947)

The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect "a wall of separation between church and State."

 

[phantomdesign]

^ exactly, helps when people have the facts.

Separation of church and state as much protects the right to practice religion as it protects people's freedom to chose or avoid religion.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Well Texas has already broken those rules.