Gman and friends.

[Steven]

Unless Gman communicates wity Alyx, Barney and Dr. Kleiner (yes, I can't spell it) then he never actually put Gordon Freeman into stasis as they were expecting your arrival. Does this mean that he communicates with them or that he never actually put Gordon into stasis at all?

 

[mastag]

perhaps gman somehow manipulated people into knowing freeman was coming. he/it does seem to be in total control of EVERYTHING until episode 1. maybe he disguised himself as a rebel or a citizen and told people freeman was coming.

 

[Combine_what?]

perhaps he has (forgive the term) Alien Mind powers?
*done in a Dr. Evil voice*

 

[mastag]

well dr. kleiner and barney acted very surprised when they saw freeman. the only people who did not act surprised that i remember is eli, dr. breen,mossman, and alyx.
this could be a set up for a twist in the future. who knows?

 

[Russian Mafia]

Acualy, if I remember correctly, Dr. Breen was very suprised to see Gordon.

 

[mastag]

Acualy, if I remember correctly, Dr. Breen was very suprised to see Gordon.

thinking about it, yes, he was. my mistake

 

[Cube]

They expected him to show up someday, but had no idea when.

 

[ríomhaire]

He (Breen) didn't expect Freeman to teleport into his friggin' office.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Alyx doesn't know about G-Man. Remember in Episode One? Eli isn't expecting you, but the others assume that you and Alyx ahve been doing the smae stuff.

 

[Costin]

But he warns Odessa Cubbage about your arrival or did he?

 

[Oppressor]

Kleiner wasn't really surprised to see Gordon again, judging by what he says in Barneys office in the beginning of Half-Life 2

"Great Scott! Gordon Freeman! I expected more warning"
And, somehow he has Gordons suit, hmm....

 

[Tagaziel]

I believe it's safe to assume the Resistance has been looking for Freeman, and at least counted on him finding his way to City 17. Plus, I think the message Kleiner was conveying was:

"I thought he would arrive more officially, loudly, not by a train on a Combine-infested train station for Scott's sake!"

-- Mikael gRizzly

 

[MorganFreeman911]

That makes sense...

But Gman contacting Eli at least would make some sense, He WAS seen talking to Odessa, remember.

 

[Lamoidz]

i always thought that was G-man giving Odessa the RPG and rockets...

 

[TheGMan.]

You'd think that everyone you seen at Black Mesa would be shocked to see you. I think it is quite obvious that G-Man informed somebody about your arrival. If Breen knew about the cirumstances, he would've went after Gordon when he arrived in City 17, so I think it is clear to say he wasn't involved with G-Man's plans. On the other hand, Oddesa Cubbage is a obvious assiociate, and Eli Vance is questionable.

 

[Wally_Breen]

Its quite weird, They should be saying: "Oh My God, but how, I Dont believe it,YOUR ALIVE, Its impossible, but I thought you were trapped in the Border World, We thought you were long dead how do you manage to escape & still manage to find us here in Russia of all place's in the World, Its True miracle of the lord himself to give us a Godsend such as you...Dr. Freeman its finally Great to you again. Thats how it should have been.

 

[Gordon-Shepherd]

here is the problem solved. obviously seeing as gordon was all over the facility killing arseloads of aliens obviously word got round that he is an incredible combat specialist. they probebly all presumed him dead in the nuclear explosion. I guess they have a spare hazard suit in kleiners lab for kleiner to use in, well, hazardous environments.eli,mossman,alyx etc shouldnt be too surprised to see you, seeing as word got round pretty fast about your arrival. and of course as pointed out earlier everyone probably thinks gordon is a combat expert and seeing his miraculous return after at least a decade of disappearance after a nuclear explosion, (coupled with said famous combat experience) immediately lifted him up to messianic status. done.

 

[99.vikram]

Gman
And the Masters of the Universe

Kleiner definitely knew Gordon was "released" somehow. Maybe the Gman told him, maybe not. But he did find out that Gordon was due to arrive sometime.

 

[Mr_Hym]

Maybe someone who was on the train with Gordon got off and told people.

 

[d00d]

Maybe someone who was on the train with Gordon got off and told people.

Nobody in the train or station seemed to recognize you, not even the scanners and the combine who made you pick up the can. A "stealthy" point of insertion indeed.

 

[jestX]

you often see someone(gman?) talking on TV, but just for a second, it turns off when you arrive...

 

[susko]

yeah its gman
I think its clear that kleiner & co. know gman, and he did talk to them in the same way that he talked to colonel. They know him as a sort of coworker form black mesa. There is a lot more going on closer to Gordon and no one tells him anything. It will become much more understandable now that he is on his own

 

[Darkside55]

Unless Gman communicates wity Alyx, Barney and Dr. Kleiner (yes, I can't spell it) then he never actually put Gordon Freeman into stasis as they were expecting your arrival. Does this mean that he communicates with them or that he never actually put Gordon into stasis at all?

Gordon was in stasis. Almost everyone seems to have known about it. Kleiner and Barney were expecting you, while Eli knew you weren't dead. Alyx doesn't even seem to be surprised, although in one of the original scenes she didn't believe you to be THE Gordon Freeman, savior of humanity. And Breen found out, therefore the Combine knew or deduced. "I have reason to believe he was in a state that precluded further development of covert skills." So it's no big secret. The only one who was left out of the loop was you, Gordon Freeman.

I think its clear that kleiner & co. know gman, and he did talk to them in the same way that he talked to colonel. They know him as a sort of coworker form black mesa.

Heh, you know what? The way you phrased that gave me an idea. You might've actually solved a question from the Episode Two forums, and that is "who is the other Black Mesa survivor who appears in Episode Two?"

It's certainly public knowledge that this arc is mostly about the G-man, and he IS a survivor of the incident.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Gordon was in stasis. Almost everyone seems to have known about it. Kleiner and Barney were expecting you, while Eli knew you weren't dead. Alyx doesn't even seem to be surprised, although in one of the original scenes she didn't believe you to be THE Gordon Freeman, savior of humanity. And Breen found out, therefore the Combine knew or deduced. "I have reason to believe he was in a state that precluded further development of covert skills." So it's no big secret. The only one who was left out of the loop was you, Gordon Freeman.

Alyx didn't know, becuase while Eli clearly did, she didn't react quite right in Episode One. Not even surprised, unless the vorts ahd told her you had been saved.

 

[bigburpco]

Dr. Kleiner (yes, I can't spell it)

That's ironic.

 

[Darkside55]

I was referring to Gordon's initial stasis.

After HL2, I think she didn't know either. The way she kept thinking you'd escaped, while Eli was like, "You're not gonna find him" gave it away. Unless she really didn't want to believe. I don't think the vorts told her either, since she doesn't remember being rescued by them. She woke up, Dog was there, she got ahold of her father and went looking for you.

 

[Dr_Crowbar]

I was thinking, maybe in HL1, vorts hired G-Man to free them from Nihilanth?

After being hired by vorts, G-Man went to Earth to find a human with combat skills good enough to fight Nihilanth. Apparentely, he was working closely with the Earth government and special military units to find a perfect candidate for the Xen mission. Adrian Shephard was his first choice.

Next, G-Man looked into the ways to send Adrian to Xen and found that Black Mesa was a perfect place to do so.
He contacted Breen and posing as government official ordered him to modify the experiment to achieve a resonance cascade, since it was the only way to get a human to Xen.

Knowing the consequences of the resonance cascade, G-Man needed an individual who would survive the initial "portal storm" and serve as back-up for Adrian(and maybe even inderectly help Shephard get to Xen). And here was Gordon Freeman. Barney was monitored as well, but was found as less interesting subject, compared to Gordon. However, not everything turned out as G-Man had planned(Gordon went to Xen the same time Adrian got to the teleporter) and Gordon had to do all the stuff that was originally planned by G-Man for Adrian.

Following the 7 hour war, Combine enslaved humans and more importantely, vortigaunts(remember janitor-vort in HL2?), who considered Earth their new home(their only choice, considering that the one alternative was Xen)... After a few years of hopeless struggle, they had to turn to G-Man once again. Working closely with Eli, the vorts told him to expect Gordon followed by the fall of the Combine. Pretty soon, the news were all over the Resistance.

After the Citadel was brought down, G-Man assumed that he had fulfilled his part of the contract and put Gordon back into the stasis. Vorts knew that with the destruction of the Citadel, more Combine forces would come and Earth could be simply destroyed, instead of slowly drained of its resources. Being freed from the Combine control, they intervened and took Gordon from stasis.

 

[Asknoone]

I don't think Gman had any role in Black Mesa. According to Valve, he used the events to shape Gordon into his tool. I believe that was his only motive.

I don't think the Vorts consider Earth as their new home..."This miserable rock."

 

[Dr_Crowbar]

I don't think Gman had any role in Black Mesa.

But we did see him talking to the scientists. I think he knew that RC was going to happend and tried to either prevent or cause it. Let's assume he wanted to cause it, but for what reason? To "shape Gordon into his tool"?
1. Uhm... what does he need Gordon for? "Just in case someone will offer me a deal"?
2. There must be an easier way to shape someone into "a tool". I don't think that G-Man would cause an event that could lead to the destruction of the humanity for purely a personal gain.

And statement that "According to Valve, he used the events to shape Gordon into his tool." doesnt really contradict my theory.

I don't think the Vorts consider Earth as their new home...

Uhm, I am not sure if they have any other place to go. Laidlaw did say that Xen is not Nihilanth's(and I assume - vortigaunts') original homeworld:

What we saw in HL1 was the very end of a long struggle between the Combine and the last of the Nihilanth's race ... The Nihilanth's "world" (if it could be said to have) was long since in the past as far as the Nihilanth was concerned; Xen was their final retreat, and they had their back to the wall, as it were, when the fissure appeared that let them spill into our dimension.

So, I believe they are "forced" to accept Earth as their new home, because the only other choice is empty borderworld Xen.

 

[Asknoone]

They are stranded on Earth, yes. I'm just saying I don't think they think of it as their home.

 

[ríomhaire]

I don't think Gman had any role in Black Mesa. According to Valve, he used the events to shape Gordon into his tool. I believe that was his only motive.

I think he was the direct cause of the RC rather than just an oppertunist. I like to think of him as the driving force behind most of the important events.

 

[ShadowJustice]

Him... or his employers :O to me are just one of the many players in the game.

Between the combine, Breen (that I suppose has an agenda of his own, "having both of you in my keeping ensure that I can make any bargain I care to make with the combine" or something like that. Please note that he called them "the combine", which is the derogative term for "the universal union", as he referred to them earlier in the game) the vortigaunts, the purple vortigaunts and the nihilant, I don't think he is the only driving force of the events. But surely one of the major.

 

[Cuthbert]

Breen (that I suppose has an agenda of his own, "having both of you in my keeping ensure that I can make any bargain I care to make with the combine" or something like that. Please note that he called them "the combine", which is the derogative term for "the universal union", as he referred to them earlier in the game

The story goes deeper and deeper than I thought it was at the begining. Never noticed that :thumbs:

 

[Jintor]

Interesting that having Gordon and Eli mean that Breen, the non-threatening organic meatbag, has the upper hand in the whole bargining thing. Does the Combine really want teleportation that badly? What do they need a universe-spanning empire for, anyway?

 

[Asknoone]

I think Breen was being a little over the top there, getting carried away with himself. I'm sure he realises that the Overwatch, despite being primarily governed by himself could turn on him at any given time. Breen is in no position to strike that much of a bargain. Sure, they could do with the tech but they wouldn't allow Breen to manipulate the bargain in his favour.

There are Advisors on Earth. They'd kick Breen's ass.

 

[ShadowJustice]

I think Breen was being a little over the top there, getting carried away with himself.

That's for sure, I think he was blinded with greed at the idea of trading eli (for his knowledge of teleport technology) and freeman (for his talents and skills) to gain more power. Maybe another combine world to administer?

 

[Asknoone]

I think Breen was more interested in the science of it all. As we know, he's extremely keen on Combine life support - essentially technological immortality. With this in mind he could freely study the world beyond, and as we know, he's already had a glimpse of it.

 

[ríomhaire]

Breen probably would have over-played his hand if he had succeded in keeping Gordon and Eli but I can imagine how Gordon and the Xen relay could be valuable (Well, I guess Gordon actually being defeated would but down his value) to them.

 

[ShadowJustice]

(Well, I guess Gordon actually being defeated would but down his value) to them.

Technically, he delivered himself.

I think Breen was more interested in the science of it all. As we know, he's extremely keen on Combine life support - essentially technological immortality. With this in mind he could freely study the world beyond, and as we know, he's already had a glimpse of it.

Yeah, could be. But I still think Breen had a measure of greed and hunger for power, of course combined with his thirst for scientific knowledge.

 

[Jintor]

I'm not actually sure how far his thirst for power goes... I always thought of it as a "I'm always right, no matter what you say" sort of attitude.