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I typed Falun Gong into google.cn.

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Truth on "Falun Gong" - www.china.org.cn - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
The Tragedy of Falun Gong Practitioners. Falungong Accused of Intercepting Satellite
Signal. Falun Gong Practitioners Jailed for Libeling Gov't. ... Why "Falun Gong" Banned.
Policies & Laws Case Studies Ideological Education Voice of Repentance ...
www.mingjing.org.cn/e-falun/index.htm - 21k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页

Truth on "Falun Gong" - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
The Cult of "Falun Gong", Li Hongzhi & "Falun Gong". Falun Gong Evil and Harmful.
Falun Gong Members Found in Slander Case. Heretical Cult -- The True Colors of Falun
Gong. Fooled by Li's false faces. The manipulator doomed. ... Falun Gong, truly ...
www.mingjing.org.cn/e-falun/cult/index.htm - 9k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页
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Outlawing Falun Gong Cult - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
Chen Shumin, general manager of a Chongqing-based technology company and a Falun
Gong cult practitioner, and four other people received ... Teng Chunyan: I Am
Pleased to Shake off the Spiritual Shackle of the Falun Gong Cult (11/20/01) ...
www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ppflg/default.htm - 47k - 网页快照 - 类似网页

QIANLONG.COM--Beijing Portal--Falun Gong hijacks HK satellite - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
Falun Gong hijacks HK satellite. Beijing Portal 2004-11-23 15:07:40. A Hong Kong
based satellite company accused on Sunday the Falun Gong cult, that has been outlawed
on the Chinese mainland, of hijacking its satellite and disrupting its normal ...
www.beijingportal.com.cn/7838/2004/11/23/[email protected] - 16k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页

Falun Gong Doctrine Self-contradicted: Practitioner - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
... China, Falun Gong Doctrine Self-contradicted: Practitioner. ... However, he called on
practitioners to assault governmental departments and even disrupt the public order
in Tian'anmen Square, how can these wrongdoings lead Falun Gong followers to ...
english.people.com.cn/200102/07/eng20010207_61696.html - 19k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页

Falun Gong Tries to Cheat Western Public: Chinese Ambassador - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
Help | Sitemap | Archive | Advanced Search, CHINA BUSINESS.
english.people.com.cn/200107/27/eng20010727_75913.html - 4k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页
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Falun Gong's anti-humanity, anti-science, anti-society nature ... - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
Falun Gong's anti-humanity, anti-science, anti-society nature denounced
(2002-07-08). ... BEIJING, July 8 (Xinhuanet) -- The People's Daily, the leading newspaper
of China, outlined the anti-humanity, anti-science and anti-society nature of the ...
www.chinaembassycanada.org/eng/xwdt/t37433.htm - 10k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页

15 Falun Gong Activists Sentenced to Jail & Fine in Singapore ... - [ 翻译此页 BETA ]
15 Falun Gong Activists Sentenced to Jail & Fine in Singapore (2001-03-30).
2003/10/24. Singapore Magistrate Court Thursday imposed sentences to 15 Falun Gong
convicts under the charges of illegal assembly and obstruction to police duty. Judge ...
www.chinaembassycanada.org/eng/xwdt/t37198.htm - 10k - 补充材料 - 网页快照 - 类似网页
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Falun Gong followers: hatred for Li Hongzhi
Home>News Center>China.
www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-01/20/content_410723.htm - 3k - 网页快照 - 类似网页

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Eh, google had to respect the regional laws, although they be [Insert word here]
 
15357 said:
Eh, google had to respect the regional laws, although they be [Insert word here]
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Chinese users can still be clever, access via .com, and set language to chinese.

Although Chinese filters itself will mess up most results (images not displaying in image search, or clicking on links only to be shown the "page banned under blahblahblah rule" page)
 
15357 said:
Eh, google had to respect the regional laws, although they be [Insert word here]
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Google didn't have to do anything. They could simply refuse service to a totalitarian regime that is scared of people knowing the truth about their history. They're 'selling out' and preventing the Chinese people from accessing stuff their government doesn't want them to see, which is a pretty shitty thing to do just so you can get more business.

What I find especially hypocritical about all this is that they refused the US government's request for information. Why co-operate with the Chinese and not the people that run the country you're living in?
 
Money of course. You can't bug out of the Chinese market for nancy pancy beliefs such as freedom of speech and the truth, the middle class alone is 200 million strong and growing.

The American government isn't going to pay google vast amounts of money for information so what's the point in giving it to them if there's no monetary reward?
 
Pajari said:
Google didn't have to do anything. They could simply refuse service to a totalitarian regime that is scared of people knowing the truth about their history. They're 'selling out' and preventing the Chinese people from accessing stuff their government doesn't want them to see, which is a pretty shitty thing to do just so you can get more business.

What I find especially hypocritical about all this is that they refused the US government's request for information. Why co-operate with the Chinese and not the people that run the country you're living in?
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I don't feel any malice towards google. They're not offering misinformation, there are just things that won't show up on google.cn. It's not like you search and total lies come up. Google is a company working in its self interest. Not to mention people in Google have said the decision was made easier by the fact that people can still log into google.com, go Chinese, and see the web URLs that the Chinese Government blocked (they can't access the pages obvioulsy but thats not the point)

If anything it's good they did because otherwise China might have blocked google, and then they'd have nothing to use search wise.

On the cooperation, if China requested search information, then I'm sure Google would deny it. If they didn't and had a double standard there, then I'm with you on the issue. But the issue with that was giving out actual data on what is being searched (even if it wasn't with ill intention, the US wanted it to see how much child porn was being accessed- the point of denying was to stop any possible 'slippery slope' into wanting further data)
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
I don't feel any malice towards google. They're not offering misinformation, there are just things that won't show up on google.cn. It's not like you search and total lies come up. Google is a company working in its self interest. Not to mention people in Google have said the decision was made easier by the fact that people can still log into google.com, go Chinese, and see the web URLs that the Chinese Government blocked (they can't access the pages obvioulsy but thats not the point)
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Google is willfully assisting in censoring the information that 1.2 billion people can view and helping the Chinese government oppress its people. That's not something to be 'malicious' about, that's simply inexcusable.

If anything it's good they did because otherwise China might have blocked google, and then they'd have nothing to use search wise.
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China was not without an internet search engine before now, and they've been able to use the Chinese version of google, even.

On the cooperation, if China requested search information, then I'm sure Google would deny it. If they didn't and had a double standard there, then I'm with you on the issue. But the issue with that was giving out actual data on what is being searched (even if it wasn't with ill intention, the US wanted it to see how much child porn was being accessed- the point of denying was to stop any possible 'slippery slope' into wanting further data)
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China did something far more onerous than request information- they specified that it should be banned from public access. Its a glaring double standard to refuse to turn over log files to the US government and then turn around and cheerfully aid the Chinese despots in keeping their people from the truth.
 
The truth is too higly overrated. And besides, censorship has been present since the start of organized goverment.
 
google is a private corporation, bound by local and regional laws. its a business designed to - get this - make money. it isnt obligated to the customs of one culture or government over another.
 
Its motto is 'Don't be evil'.

Censorship is evil.

Google has to work this one through...
 
gh0st said:
google is a private corporation, bound by local and regional laws. its a business designed to - get this - make money. it isnt obligated to the customs of one culture or government over another.
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So it would make sense that they would be paid to do so.
 
Jintor said:
Its motto is 'Don't be evil'.

Censorship is evil.

Google has to work this one through...
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Censorship is evil? Please clarify.
 
Pajari said:
Google didn't have to do anything. They could simply refuse service to a totalitarian regime that is scared of people knowing the truth about their history.
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And that would help them how?
 
I don't see how Google is in the wrong here, someone doesn't seem to understand the meaning of "censoring the web". Google isn't censoring the internet, Google isn't going to prevent you from visiting any site you want to. Google isn't taking away any of the people's rights, if they couldn't access a page before, they won't be able to access it now, if they could access it before, they'll still be able to now. If google was helping the government build a firewall to block "undesirable" sites you might have a point, but they aren't. How is Google's provision of a "censored" service harmful to the people in anyway? It's not as good as an uncensored service, but it's not harming the people in any way.

Advertisements only present the good sides of any product, not the bad points, does that mean that advertising companies are guilty of infringing on free speech and censoring the bad points? Are they guilty of censorship? Should we ban advertising? Similarly, google may be presenting only the "desirable" websites, but how is that censorship?
 
Are you sure people in China can reach google.com (or any other non-china regionalized google)? Logically, I'd assume China would bound and re-direct those IP's onto google.cn
 
JellyWorld said:
I don't see how Google is in the wrong here, someone doesn't seem to understand the meaning of "censoring the web". Google isn't censoring the internet, Google isn't going to prevent you from visiting any site you want to. Google isn't taking away any of the people's rights, if they couldn't access a page before, they won't be able to access it now, if they could access it before, they'll still be able to now. If google was helping the government build a firewall to block "undesirable" sites you might have a point, but they aren't. How is Google's provision of a "censored" service harmful to the people in anyway? It's not as good as an uncensored service, but it's not harming the people in any way.

Advertisements only present the good sides of any product, not the bad points, does that mean that advertising companies are guilty of infringing on free speech and censoring the bad points? Are they guilty of censorship? Should we ban advertising? Similarly, google may be presenting only the "desirable" websites, but how is that censorship?
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People have a problem with it because the company has tried to give itself the image of "protector of free speech." To be fair they've done a pretty good job here, being the only major search engine to refuse to release their records to the US Government and are currently fighting it in court.

However, to turn around and release a highly censored version of their service so that they could appeal to a new demographic is highly hypocritical of their previous policy. It seems that people have a more romantacised view of Google comapared to other corporations, but they're still a gigantic corporation with the sole objective of making money, and China is a huge market.
 
JellyWorld said:
And that would help them how?
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I'm not concerned about Google's well being. This is about free speech, not about the bottom line of a company that's already making money hand over fist.

gh0st said:
google is a private corporation, bound by local and regional laws. its a business designed to - get this - make money. it isnt obligated to the customs of one culture or government over another.
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Yeah, thanks for pointing out that Google wants to make money, and for enlightening me about the fact that Google has to follow the law. My problem is that by following Chinese law they're agents of censorship and they're going to make oodles of money by co-operating with a totalitarian regime. Its prefectly legal, but its also slimy as hell. Is there no conflict between profits and morals anymore?
 
AiM said:
Are you sure people in China can reach google.com (or any other non-china regionalized google)? Logically, I'd assume China would bound and re-direct those IP's onto google.cn
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I read an article that said they could, and I trust it, but I really have no true way to know 100%.
 
Pajari said:
I'm not concerned about Google's well being. This is about free speech, not about the bottom line of a company that's already making money hand over fist.



Yeah, thanks for pointing out that Google wants to make money, and for enlightening me about the fact that Google has to follow the law. My problem is that by following Chinese law they're agents of censorship and they're going to make oodles of money by co-operating with a totalitarian regime. Its prefectly legal, but its also slimy as hell. Is there no conflict between profits and morals anymore?
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In China, an overflow of information and permitvness could topple their regime and societal balance as well.

besides, how is not breaking the law and respecting the current regional authority immoral? They aren't killing off students or anything.
 
Oh yes, they are following regional customs....the same way as corporations exploited the 3rd world in the 90's and the way companies exploited the apartheid system in South Africa in the 80's. :|

Just because they are following local laws doesn't mean its a good thing. Last time I checked, throwing a crapload of chemicals into a river in a country that doesn't give a care still is wrong.
 
But google is not throwing a crapload of chemicals. Its just censoring some stuff.
 
15357 said:
In China, an overflow of information and permitvness could topple their regime and societal balance as well.
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That's a good thing, isn't it?!

besides, how is not breaking the law and respecting the current regional authority immoral? They aren't killing off students or anything.
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If the current regional authority has laws that infringe on free speech and the free flow of information, then that's immoral and collaborating with the Chinese to make it easier for them is immoral.

And no, you're right, the Chinese government has a monopoly on massacring their own people for the slightest display of dissent. Another fantastic reason to to business with China.
 
What about P2P programs? Would those work for smuggling in information that a Chinese citizen shouldn't (legally) have?
 
Pajari said:
That's a good thing, isn't it?!



If the current regional authority has laws that infringe on free speech and the free flow of information, then that's immoral and collaborating with the Chinese to make it easier for them is immoral.

And no, you're right, the Chinese government has a monopoly on massacring their own people for the slightest display of dissent. Another fantastic reason to to business with China.
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Not for them and the worlds economy.

Then having laws that censor pronography is immoral, too, I guess.

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That doesn't really inhibit the ability to profit.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
I don't feel any malice towards google. They're not offering misinformation, there are just things that won't show up on google.cn. It's not like you search and total lies come up. Google is a company working in its self interest. Not to mention people in Google have said the decision was made easier by the fact that people can still log into google.com, go Chinese, and see the web URLs that the Chinese Government blocked (they can't access the pages obvioulsy but thats not the point)

If anything it's good they did because otherwise China might have blocked google, and then they'd have nothing to use search wise.

On the cooperation, if China requested search information, then I'm sure Google would deny it. If they didn't and had a double standard there, then I'm with you on the issue. But the issue with that was giving out actual data on what is being searched (even if it wasn't with ill intention, the US wanted it to see how much child porn was being accessed- the point of denying was to stop any possible 'slippery slope' into wanting further data)
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Very often "lies" and "partial truth" are basically the same thing.
 
15357 said:
But google is not throwing a crapload of chemicals. Its just censoring some stuff.
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But it is as bad as throwing a crapload o' chemicals.

Pornography is not information. It is fap material. Are pictures of boobies the same as the truth on what really happened in Tienanmen Square?
 
Pajari said:
I'm not concerned about Google's well being. This is about free speech, not about the bottom line of a company that's already making money hand over fist.
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I was talking about the Chinese people, not google. Google aren't harming the Chinese people in *any* way, so how is what they are doing evil? Will Google's "censored service" decrease their rights to free expression in any way? You keep saying the best solution is for Google to get out of the Chinese market completely, but how will that help ANYONE?
 
Jintor said:
But it is as bad as throwing a crapload o' chemicals.
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It does not directly or even indirectly kill/cause ailments to people/animals.
 
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