Gulf-War-Syndrome Anyone?

[jimbones]

Looks like the syndrome from the first gulf war could be just radiation poisoning..

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/4.html

 

[KagePrototype]

Oooh. That's what they said in Metal Gear Solid.

But that was a cover up.... :rolling:

 

[Cybernoid]

Looks like the syndrome from the first gulf war could be just radiation poisoning..

It's been known for ages that depleted uranium weaponry caused the "syndrome."

 

[Mr-Fusion]

I don't even know why there's been attempts to cover it up. It is as plain as day

URANIUM IS RADIOACTIVE.

GAMMA RAYS **** YOU UP.

Gotta feel sorry for the people living in those countries having to put up with that kind of bullshit. Thankyou the US military! THANKYOU! ****ing the world up one small step at a time.

 

[Beast206]

Oxygen kills us also, so who cares? Really? Sorry to be a prick, but the US military is pretty tame by comparison if you look at some munitions the non NATO folks use. *shrug*

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Yes, but Nato isn't invading these countries on a daily basis.

 

[Beast206]

Maybe they SHOULD BE! :thumbs:


[edit] I agree with your statement. The DU ordinance is a bad idea, but it's still a subjective argument.

 

[blahblahblah]

I don't even know why there's been attempts to cover it up. It is as plain as day

URANIUM IS RADIOACTIVE.

GAMMA RAYS **** YOU UP.

Gotta feel sorry for the people living in those countries having to put up with that kind of bullshit. Thankyou the US military! THANKYOU! ****ing the world up one small step at a time.

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but learn your radiation types. Gamma radiation will kill you flat out. Alpha and Beta radiations are the ones responsible for long-term cancers and health problems.

The United States and several of its Coalition partners and NATO allies have been deploying in battlefield and experimenting with chemically toxic and radioactive heavy metals in various types of bullets, bombs and warheads since the early 1970s. Uranium powder is taken from the nuclear fuel reprocessing cycle, after it has been mixed with nuclear reactor waste products and spent fuel, to supply the non-fissile weapons' manufacturing industry.

The US isn't the only one to blame...

PS - If you want to blame the US military, fine by me. However, you need to blame those other countries just as much as you are blaming the US. Okay?

 

[Razor]

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but learn your radiation types. Gamma radiation will kill you flat out. Alpha and Beta radiations are the ones responsible for long-term cancers and health problems.



The US isn't the only one to blame...

PS - If you want to blame the US military, fine by me. However, you need to blame those other countries just as much as you are blaming the US. Okay?

As far as i am aware, Alpha radiation won't even penetrate clothing, let alone skin. It is Gamma radiation that causes cancer, etc. Let me make sure i am correc though, one momento. :|

 

[Razor]

http://www.orau.gov/reacts/alpha.htm

http://www.orau.gov/reacts/beta.htm

http://www.orau.gov/reacts/gamma.htm

 

[lePobz]

I need a T-Shirt that says 'I survived an X-Ray' ... I didn't realise Gamma (X-Rays) were so deadly! [/sarcasm]

I saw a documentary a while ago about why some countries use DU and the effects it can cause - basically it's disgusting...

 

[el Chi]

Don't mean to rain on your parade, but learn your radiation types. Gamma radiation will kill you flat out. Alpha and Beta radiations are the ones responsible for long-term cancers and health problems.

I thought they mutated you and gave you superpowers?

The US isn't the only one to blame...
PS - If you want to blame the US military, fine by me. However, you need to blame those other countries just as much as you are blaming the US. Okay?

Fair enough, but often these operations (which some would call invasions - that's highly contentious) are a result of Western countries, in particular the US, seeing themselves as having the right to police the world. Decisions made through this vein of thinking are not always fair or effective ones for the other countries, ie: bombing Iraq daily after the first Gulf war up until the present day, plus sanctions that only hurt the people, not leadership.

 

[JFry]

Not all US citizens want stuff like that to happen. Unfortunately, there are 2 people with a realistic chance of being elected. Choose one or the other, don't vote at all, it doesn't really matter. Chances are somebody is gonna get bombed.

 

[Sprafa]

Blaming NATO for US BS is idiocy. there has been 0 NATO large military ops(invasions) not ordered by the USA.

 

[Dedalus]

alpha and beta rays cannot penetrate your skin. they're too 'big' to fit through. they can only do some damage if they're already inside your body. the only way you can get them inside there is to breathe in some air that contained the particles, which is why soldiers are issued with breathing masks. and yeah, stay away from gamma rays since they can go straight through you and mess with your cells.

 

[Korgoth]

What the hell is the point of DU though? Really? It not only hurts OUR soldiers as well, but innocent civis'. Whats the point in using a bullet or shell that can cause cancer if you just used it to blow the f*cker up? Cancer is the last thing on his mind.... I just don't see the point in these weapons, rumor is we still use them. I have friends in iraq, i swear to God if they come back with this shit....

 

[Sprafa]

oh yes, forgot to say I agree with DU. That's right I wuv it!


*gets flamesuit*

 

[CptStern]

148 US soldiers died during desert storm

167,000 gulf war veterans have recieved various degrees of disability by the government

"Which comes to nearly 28 percent of soldiers involved in desert storm -- a rate of approved disability claims exceeding World War II (6.6 percent), Korea (5 percent) and Vietnam (9.6 percent). "

 

[jimbones]

What the hell is the point of DU though? Really? It not only hurts OUR soldiers as well, but innocent civis'. Whats the point in using a bullet or shell that can cause cancer if you just used it to blow the f*cker up? Cancer is the last thing on his mind.... I just don't see the point in these weapons, rumor is we still use them. I have friends in iraq, i swear to God if they come back with this shit....

DU-casings can penetrate steel. That's the main reason they are used. Not for their cancerogenity.

 

[Razor]

DU-casings can penetrate steel. That's the main reason they are used. Not for their cancerogenity.

They are used both because they are the best weapon to defeat armour plating and also because they kick up radioactive dust clouds that injure any near by personnel.

As far as i am aware, only the United State's military use it but British soldiers also came into contact with it during the war.

 

[JimmehH]

Once they get inside your body all sources of radiation (alpha, beta and gamma) are very bad. They all can, and do, cause cancer and radiation sickness.

Depleted Uranium is used today because it makes excellent armor piercing weapons (due to it's density and physical properties). Ironically this also makes it good for armor plating. Depleted Uranium is about 0.7 times as radioactive as normal Uranium (i.e. less radioactive) but it's used far too much for that to have any kind of significance.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

What the hell is the point of DU though? Really? It not only hurts OUR soldiers as well, but innocent civis'. Whats the point in using a bullet or shell that can cause cancer if you just used it to blow the f*cker up? Cancer is the last thing on his mind.... I just don't see the point in these weapons, rumor is we still use them. I have friends in iraq, i swear to God if they come back with this shit....

Depleted Uranium is a very hard and powerful alloy. The M1A203 Abrams used a Depleted Uranium Casing. Its history of classes, the M1A202, M1A201, and M1A2, and M1A1, have all used a type of experimental Depleted Uranium. DU, while it does have its adverse effects to biology, also have some of the best resistance values to any HV, HE, or AP Weapons on record.

Depleted Uranium began its production during the crisis of Vietnam. The United States, fearing a response led by the Soviets and China at the return of UN Support in South Vietnam, began experimenting with doctrines of how a Cold War might preceed.

The NATO idea on Soviet based aggression's, produced the USSR moving massed Tank assaults through the brinks of Central Europe.

The Soviets were expected to come through East German Borders to launch their attacks, although no credible information put any movements of the Russian Government at those times.

The United States and the German West Government then agreed to Cooperate in the production of a new European Defense Tank, on the thought Central Europes saftey could be Jeopardized for the Vietnam Crisis. The production lines would only put out two effective tanks: The Leopard, and the M60.

With the new tanks, came new thoughts. It was believed if a massed assault was to fail, or begin, then a defense had to speculate a Chemical, Biological, or Nuclear Attack.

The alloys the United States, Germany, France, and Britain were looking at, produced to be too weak in field tests of engagements. They also lacked any good seal against an unnatural gas attacks, or Nuclear attacks with field poisoning. In 1971 DU was born into the world of armor.

It was discovered that DU had the ability to burn out the effects of certain Chemical gases, while being able to seal itself out on an Atomic level to absorb both Shock and Nuclear waste much greater than standard steels. DU went into production in 1972, and much of it was only applied to the M60 Tanks.

By this time, the M1 Abrams Battle Tank had begun production. Some saw time in Vietnam, but very few of them had time to upgrade to a DU product.

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   Tanks were made with "standard products" so as to disavow suspicions of DU being used. Tanks were then later upgraded with DU, outside of an Army/Press relationship.[/quote]
   
   So theres a rundown on why DU exists. Where it exists, is all over the world. Depleted Uranium products come out of Nuclear Waste's developing from the abilities of (MAD) weapons being decommissioned by National Governments.
   
   When depleted Uranium is applied, or in this case for the Abrams, mixed, it becomes a hardbody. DU is able to soak-up detonation and shock affects of many weapons. DU is able to do this for many reasons, one of the most basic states that DU sucks itself up against the design of the Tank, taking back the shock, then diverting it back out.
   
   Tank Crews+Video of engagements with DU based armor, have reported odd affects when munitions detonate against the material. Sometimes, the effect of an explosion is sucked in the armor. The only explosion visible is a minor one. Various weapons have been fired against DU, and the effect is amazing. (I've seen videos of DU tanks being fired on, and the explosions virtually come out as a small yellow puff against the hull of these tanks.)
   
   DU sucks in alloys like a sponge, which is why DU is so content to form on the body of Tanks. DU is often times mixed with other alloys, and laid against certain layers of steel that often times negate a reactive content of having been exposed or scattered. These effects, of DU Poisoning, are'nt as rare as people think.
   
   When the armor takes a hit, the shock effect of some weapons has been known to force out the Poison's contained in DU, outside of the tank. Some soldiers get Gulf War syndrome from these discharge poisons.
   
   Its like, when someone punches you in the gut. All your air either gets lossed, or you throw up. Same effect with DU and its poisons.
   
   DU Tipped Shells, are known for their penetration values. They also have a poison value, and the shells are exploited in this term. SABOT-rounds, manufactured by Germany and America, are capable of blasting holes open in tanks, and firing an uncontained reactive blast by DU Poisons and explosive chemicals. This effectively kills the crew, either by surviving the blast then being poisoned, or dying by the blast instantly.
   
   DU has byproducts as well--being simple radiations, or beta radiations. Beta's are most exclusively found in discharged DU tipped shell casings, or area's of fire.
   
   Gulf War Syndrome is most closely associated with DU products. It also becomes worse, because the Sun the Iraqi desert soaks up and gets in a single day, is capable of multiplying the effects of exposed DU poisons. Sand, also soaks up these chemicals.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

...so that was'nt as precise or "able" to make certain sense...but...I hope that outlined "SOME" of the reasons. I just go tired writing half-way through...

 

[FoB_Ed]

errrr, Oops?

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

148 US soldiers died during desert storm

167,000 gulf war veterans have recieved various degrees of disability by the government

"Which comes to nearly 28 percent of soldiers involved in desert storm -- a rate of approved disability claims exceeding World War II (6.6 percent), Korea (5 percent) and Vietnam (9.6 percent). "

To be fair, just think about how many people died in those wars prior to Desert Storm. That does even it out a little.

 

[CptStern]

yes but the numbers reflect the percentage of soldiers on disability. If you stop to think about it, the numbers for desert storm are extremely high considering the war only lasted 43 days

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

True...Lets hope we don't see a repeat (Which I don't think we will considering the nature of this "war")

 

[CptStern]

True...Lets hope we don't see a repeat (Which I don't think we will considering the nature of this "war")

too late, there's an estimated 10,000 - 12,000 wounded american soldiers ...we'll have to wait and see what the long term effects are