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Let's talk about creativity.

What IS creativity? Is it having some new, important idea to communicate, or is it just a reconstruction of bits of previously imbibed ideas that have been passed on to a person considered creative?

Is it an act of innate brightness or is it mimicry?

Can creativity be harnessed? Can it be developed? Is it natural and exclusive to some people, or in all of us yet dormant in the majority? Is it a talent, something you're born with, or something you acquire and hone over time?

For your time: a bouncing thing:

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To be honest this is a pretty lame topic, only because of how subjective the very nature of it is.

Basically, it's going to lead to a bit of a bicker, and then some d00d will waltz in mid-thread and take something out of context, or start another of the ol' bickers about something completely unrelated.

And then somehow the thread turns into a political/religious/war-on-drugs debate and closed.
 
There is no such thing as creativity anymore. Simpsons did everything.
 
Danimal said:
political/religious
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Maybe if the ****ing conservative douchebags of the world would stop prostrating themselves to an imagined deity we wouldn't have to have these ****ing conversations.
 
Don't make the staff look bad, bro.
 
I was trying to make a creative AND humorous response through the use of irony.
 
kineaesth said:
Maybe if the ****ing conservative douchebags of the world would stop prostrating themselves to an imagined deity we wouldn't have to have these ****ing conversations.
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Nah, if ****ing liberal douchesticks of the world would stop overspending with terrible financial steering, we wouldn't have to have these ****ing conversations.
 
I lack it, that's all I care about.

le sigh
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Nah, if ****ing liberal douchesticks of the world would stop overspending with terrible financial steering, we wouldn't have to have these ****ing conversations.
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This is creativity. Right here. Being able to shit up any thread you enter, regardless of topic, with a single post. ****ing magic.
 
evil^milk said:
Can creativity be harnessed? Can it be developed? Is it natural and exclusive to some people, or in all of us yet dormant in the majority? Is it a talent, something you're born with, or something you acquire and hone over time?
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I don't think creativity can be taught, but I've never seen someone try to teach it. I have plenty of friends in the film industry, and many try to be creative but out of all of us, only about two of twenty are really what I'd consider to be genuinely creative people who think in a different way to everyone else.

I have two mates who are filmmakers. One is a born creative talent while the other tries as hard as he can to be as good as he can, but simply isn't as good as the one with born talent. I think it's entirely possible that the one without the born talent can someday surpass the other day through sheer determination and hard work. But if the born talent does the same, he'll never be surpassed.
 
Bad^Hat said:
This is creativity. Right here. Being able to shit up any thread you enter, regardless of topic, with a single post. ****ing magic.
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The funny thing is that he was trying to continue KA's joke, but by copying almost exactly the same post KA posted. In a thread about creativity, that makes me laugh.
 
Creativity? In the Lounge? This calls for a mandatory investigation on the matter.
 
RakuraiTenjin said:
Nah, if ****ing liberal douchesticks of the world would stop overspending with terrible financial steering
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I am so mad right now that I'm just going to explain my perspective on creativity and pretend that nobody said something this silly SO

As far as I'm concerned, creativity is kind of like a coefficient of one's mind, in terms of how ideas and concepts change form between entering a mind and exiting it. A non-creative person regurgitates ideas verbatim; C=0. A creative person twists and recombines multiple ideas into a new form; C>0. There is no such thing as pure originality, as all ideas are necessarily seeded by prior ideas, so the best one can hope for, artistically speaking, is high creativity.
 
Bad^Hat said:
This is creativity. Right here. Being able to shit up any thread you enter, regardless of topic, with a single post. ****ing magic.
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Yeah but KA's was pure genius amirite? :rolleyes: Nice job quoting both.

Krynn72 said:
The funny thing is that he was trying to continue KA's joke, but by copying almost exactly the same post KA posted. In a thread about creativity, that makes me laugh.
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You could say the copying was creative in itself.


and LOL @ people 'so angry right now' at my post but not the other.
 
Just think about it Rakurai, more people read your post than read KA's. You're more important to them than he is. Either that, or they read both but were too fueled with Rakurai-hate to realize the connection.
 
Does thinking up puns relevant to news stories count as creativity?
 
Stigmata said:
As far as I'm concerned, creativity is kind of like a coefficient of one's mind, in terms of how ideas and concepts change form between entering YOUR MUM and exiting it.
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Stigmata said:
I am so mad right now that I'm just going to explain my perspective on creativity and pretend that nobody said something this silly SO

As far as I'm concerned, creativity is kind of like a coefficient of one's mind, in terms of how ideas and concepts change form between entering a mind and exiting it. A non-creative person regurgitates ideas verbatim; C=0. A creative person twists and recombines multiple ideas into a new form; C>0. There is no such thing as pure originality, as all ideas are necessarily seeded by prior ideas, so the best one can hope for, artistically speaking, is high creativity.
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So
f(B) = C*A
A: input idea
C: coefficient of creativity
f(B): output idea (creative product)

But if C = 0, then regardless of A, the output idea will ALWAYS BE ZERO ALSO!

Mathmatical proof that this post sucks.
 
Erestheux said:
So
f(B) = C*A
A: input idea
C: coefficient of creativity
f(B): output idea (creative product)

But if C = 0, then regardless of A, the output idea will ALWAYS BE ZERO ALSO!

Mathmatical proof that this post sucks.
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No, the quality of the output idea will always be 0!

Mathematical proof that Erestheux is bad at math and is also by extension a woman.
 
But if he's a woman shouldn't he be thinking of shallow relationship acronyms and/or sucking a dick.

But yeah, in the end pretty much all ideas can be traced back to one or multiple points of inspiration but hey maybe sometimes they just appear in your brain from absolutely nothing but if anything that seems much more meaningless.
 
Stigmata said:
No, the quality of the output idea will always be 0!

Mathematical proof that Erestheux is bad at math and is also by extension a woman.
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Given that the idea (A) being regurgitated into a the same idea (B), verbatim, A would have to equal B. Your original definition states this:

Stigmata said:
A non-creative person regurgitates ideas verbatim
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Meaning, B = A when C = 1

However, B = 0 when C = 0. The idea is not regurgitated, instead there is a nonexistent output. You changed the meaning of your original formula.

Mathematical proof that Stigmata still has vaginas for eyes.

i ****ing love forums
 
Erestheux said:
Given that the idea (A) being regurgitated into a the same idea (B), verbatim, A would have to equal B. Your original definition states this:



Meaning, B = A when C = 1

However, B = 0 when C = 0. The idea is not regurgitated, instead there is a nonexistent output. You changed the meaning of your original formula.

Mathematical proof that Stigmata still has vaginas for eyes.

i ****ing love forums
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Aha! You fool! You have made a mistake!!!

The source idea, A, is passed through a given mind's creative algorithm, F(x), to give a final idea B. F is an algorithm modulated by C, the creative variable (or constant, depending on your probabilistic frame of reference). When C=0, the algorithm F still functions, but it produces an identical result; F(A)=A. When C>0, the algorithm changes the data set in at least some way; F(A)!=A.

The crucial mistake you have made is assuming that A=B. If this were the case, ideas would never change form. Rather, F(A)=B.

You clitoris.
 
Bad^Hat said:
This is creativity. Right here. Being able to shit up any thread you enter, regardless of topic, with a single post. ****ing magic.
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after reading a Rakurai post, I always have a ****ed up look on my face
 
Stigmata said:
Aha! You fool! You have made a mistake!!!

The source idea, A, is passed through a given mind's creative algorithm, F(x), to give a final idea B. F is an algorithm modulated by C, the creative variable (or constant, depending on your probabilistic frame of reference). When C=0, the algorithm F still functions, but it produces an identical result; F(A)=A. When C>0, the algorithm changes the data set in at least some way; F(A)!=A.

The crucial mistake you have made is assuming that A=B. If this were the case, ideas would never change form. Rather, F(A)=B.

You clitoris.
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no that's wrong

cockbrains
 
WARNING TRYING TO BE A SERIOUS ANSWER TO A NOT SO SERIOUS THREAD:

The problem with trying to be creative is that the human brain will always draw connections from these new ideas to old ideas previously learned. Therefore I think its really the presentation, order, and execution of ideas that defines creativity in our eyes.
 
Creativity is great. I would consider myself very creative. However, you need to be, when you don't have much to work with.

Thereby I'm not sure if they are connected, but wouldn't it seem that creative people are less financially successful? A starving artist. Because poor people need to be creative. You know? Coat hanger TV antenna, ****ing etc.

And people who can't figure out how to put their Ikea shelf unit together need to be financially successful so they can pay someone to put it together for them.

So, maybe they are rich because they need to be, and creative people are creative because they need to be.


Then you get on with what you are good at. So creative people tend to get more creative, and 'financially successful' people tend to spend more time with... that shit. Over a lifetime, this has completely shaped a person's character.
 
So basically, people are lazy, and need must outweigh availability before true creativity becomes the leading drive behind creation? I can get behind that.
 
Where'd you get lazy? I don't even believe in lazy. Nobody is lazy. A fella laying under a tree watching the clouds? Maybe he is a philosopher.

For me, personally, I tend to work hard at things I enjoy or care about. When it comes to mindless hauling of heavy materials, not so much.
 
Yeah, lazy wasn't the right word. "Complacent" is more what I'm looking for.
 
VirusType2 said:
Creativity is great. I would consider myself very creative. However, you need to be, when you don't have much to work with.

Thereby I'm not sure if they are connected, but wouldn't it seem that creative people are less financially successful? A starving artist. Because poor people need to be creative. You know? Coat hanger TV antenna, ****ing etc.

And people who can't figure out how to put their Ikea shelf unit together need to be financially successful so they can pay someone to put it together for them.

So, maybe they are rich because they need to be, and creative people are creative because they need to be.


Then you get on with what you are good at. So creative people tend to get more creative, and 'financially successful' people tend to spend more time with... that shit. Over a lifetime, this has completely shaped a person's character.
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Yeah this is kinda what I would've said. I tend to be most "creative" when I have some problem but lack proper resources. And so I am forced to appropriate other things to fix the problem. But this is more of a "resourcefully creative" sense of the term.

"Artistically creative" is an entirely different beast. Some people can write music and make up really awesome art. Sadly I'm not creative in either of those fields at all. Everything I make is typically from a pattern/instructions someone else drew/designed that I simply make (which would maybe be considered "skilled" but not "creative"). Nowadays I'm able to draw up my own patterns, but only based off the principles I pick up from years of using other people's patterns.

I don't even bother trying to write music. I already know I can't do it, and it pisses me off because I know I can never be taught to do it. The best I can do is simple accompaniment (given the melody as notes on a page -- I can't even play by ear either).
 
dfc05 said:
I don't even bother trying to write music. I already know I can't do it, and it pisses me off because I know I can never be taught to do it.
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Says who, exactly?

Only you.
 
I tried. Maybe not very hard, but as far as I can tell, I have no original tunes in my head. I have a keyboard (I had piano lessons, mostly classical music) but every time I try messing around it always ends up turning into some song I've already heard. Either that, or total crap. :(

I suppose being taught chord progressions/music theory type stuff might help I don't really know.
 
Music and Art are incredibly deep and it is my opinion that starting at a young age and learning the skills throughout life makes it easier to become a master - although you don't need to be a master to make great music and art. Both are the sort of medium where the skill required does not determine the overall greatness, because simplicity is beautiful as well.
 
Lol at the comments for the later video saying how "hardcore" it is, and calling everyone who doesnt like it "pussies".
 
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