Helplife2! Fallout 3 issues!

Reginald

Reginald

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Just purchased Fallout 3 from my local games outlet (after having a job interview there! :E) for PC and when I got home, I tried to run the disk and it said:

Conflict with Emulation Software detected.
Please have a look at http://www.securom.com/message.asp?m=emu&c=2500 for further, more detailed information.
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The link then says:

SecuROM? has determined that emulation tools like 'Alcohol 120%' or 'Daemon Tools' are running. Please be informed that SecuROM? protected applications will not work with such tools.

* Please unmount your image, close these emulators, and insert the original disc in order to start the application.


If the application still won't start, please send a SecuROM? analysis file to [email protected] (see Support Info section on how to prepare and send an analysis file).
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I'm guessing this was caused by PowerISO (not that I can see what their problem is with me having that program on my system. So I closed PowerISO but it still won't work.

This could seriously ruin my day.

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SecuROM don't like that kind of program at all. You'd have to uninstall PowerISO at least.
 
Iirc you need to like completely uninstall the offending software for Securom to work. My advice? Get a crack, you bought the fluffing game already.
 
Jintor said:
Iirc you need to like completely uninstall the offending software for Securom to work. My advice? Get a crack, you bought the fluffing game already.
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Seconded.

Do eet!
 
Technically it's not illegal cos, you know, you own the fluffing game.

Actually I really dunno, maybe there's some terms hidden in the terms and conditions that you have to use Securom. Wouldn't put it past them.
 
Jintor said:
Technically it's not illegal cos, you know, you own the fluffing game.
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It's morally acceptable but not (or barely) legal. In most EULAS you agree not to alter or modify or misuse the original files. It's like modding a console. Owning a thing doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want with that thing.
Nevertheless I use no-cd cracks on my purchases, from time to time.
 
In this case morally acceptable wins! Fluff them, you has the game.
 
Hide your virtual drives with YASU or something. Disable Alcohol's virtual drive, if running.

PaoloM said:
It's morally acceptable but not (or barely) legal. In most EULAS you agree not to alter or modify or misuse the original files. It's like modding a console. Owning a thing doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want with that thing.
Nevertheless I use no-cd cracks on my purchases, from time to time.
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EULA != Law.

Meanwhile in Australia modchips are legal so ha. The case being that you own the physical device and thus you are in fact free to do whatever the hell you want with it. Although in reality it was all down to copyright infringement which our high court had this to say "the mod chip is not responsible for the copyright violation." Using a crack to bypass securom when you've bought a license for the game is aok in my books.

Also this

"There is no copyright reason why the purchaser should not be entitled to copy the CD-ROM and modify the console in such a way as to enjoy his or her lawfully acquired property without inhibition,"

Frankly the same should apply to PC games.
 
Kyorisu said:
Meanwhile in Australia modchips are legal so ha. The case being that you own the physical device and thus you are in fact free to do whatever the hell you want with it. Although in reality it was all down to copyright infringement which our high court had this to say "the mod chip is not responsible for the copyright violation." Using a crack to bypass securom when you've bought a license for the game is aok in my books.
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I agree, these are grey areas of national laws and regulations. My country, Italy, is the first in line about holes in the laws about digital rights.
Fact is: when you talk about games and software you don't have a physical device, you don't *own* the game in a physical meaning, because the game itself is a digital property. The CD is only a medium, in this case, and in digital distributions it doesn't exist. The concept of owning a property loses its fundamental meaning in the abstract realm of computers, and we have to deal with licenses.
Let's say you are a software developer. You make a game and you use a copy protection scheme. Let's say that someone buy your game and breaks the copy protection. Would you be happy? Would you say that this thing is legal? I am not talking about SecuROM or Starforce or whatever. The principle must be universal.
I am acting as the devil's advocate. I sometimes use no-cd cracks.
 
PaoloM said:
Fact is: when you talk about games and software you don't have a physical device, you don't *own* the game in a physical meaning, because the game itself is a digital property. The CD is only a medium, in this case, and in digital distributions it don't exist. The concept of owning a property loses its fundamental meaning in the abstract realm of computers, and we have to deal with licenses.
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This isn't the whole story. Various countries consumer laws dictate that software is a physical thing if it's being sold on a physical medium. Not sure to what extent those laws help the consumer.

PaoloM said:
Let's say you are a software developer. You make a game and you use a copy protection scheme. Let's say that someone buy your game and breaks the copy protection. Would you be happy? Would you say that this thing is legal? I am not talking about SecuROM or Starforce or whatever. The principle must be universal.
I am acting as the devil's advocate. I sometimes use no-cd cracks.
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Of course I would be happy. Game developers are not the ones pushing DRM down peoples throats. The publishers are the ones responsible for DRM as they want some sort of security blanket for their invested funds in a developer. You have paid to use the software why should you be inhibited from running that software because it doesn't like what's installed on your machine? It's your machine you can run whatever the hell you like.
 
I was considering buying this after seeing the upswell of positive feedback. NO LONGER!

Also @PaoloM: whether software is a digital or physical product is indeed a grey area. Every producer of media would naturally love their product to be seen as a digital one, since it protects them from first sale doctrine. Personally I think EULAs shouldn't be worth shit until the day they start appearing in digest form on the back of the box - especially nowadays when it's becoming more and more awkward to return software, due to retailers getting cagey over CD keys, etc.
 
Didn't Beth say in an interview that they wouldn't be including anything akin to SecuROM? I bet they succumbed to publisher pressure or something. This is complete rubbish. I still want the game, does anyone know if it has an install limit like Far Cry 2 / Spore?

Never mind it, I've found my answer here. It looks like they only use SecuROM for retail copies during disk check. Steam users rejoice!
 
It's a ****ing SP only game. Who gives a shit if it has install limits.
 
People who don't want to be treated like inconsequential retards? It's not solely about consumer convenience, since absolutely anything can be circumvented by someone with knowhow. It's about what publishers think about consumer convenience. Anyway, it's my understanding that FO3 doesn't have an install limit.

I like how deciding not to buy the game is more controversial than buying it and cracking it.

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BTW@Reginald!
Sony have released a SecuROM patch for exactly the error you're getting:
https://support.securom.com/fallout3/
That's nice of them, eh, it means they've only wasted about half a dozen hours of your time. Best send them some flowers and a perfumed note of thanks!
 
My answer was aimed at those that are concerned weather or not they could run it rather then those that
oppose buying it for moral reasons.
 
Weird I have loads of HDs and PowerISO on the go and the game installed seamlessly. You on XP?
 
Yah, XP.

Just wanted to say that I've just played the game for nearly 3 hours and I enjoyed it immensely! :E
 
Jintor said:
Technically it's not illegal cos, you know, you own the fluffing game.

Actually I really dunno, maybe there's some terms hidden in the terms and conditions that you have to use Securom. Wouldn't put it past them.
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As Brother None reminded me, EULAs are worthless and ignored by courts entirely. So grab the crack and play like a happy man.
 
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