HL2 upgrade complaints

[Rupertvdb]

To all who have been complaining that the delays have meant that their nicely upgraded computers were a waste because HL2 was delayed i saw...shut the hell up.

My bud just got the same computer that he would have got a year ago, spec 3.0 ghz, 1 gig ram and a 9800 pro.

Several people on different forums got computers like that back then and are whining now about how Valve jipped them and they don't have the best stuff and it's all doom and gloom. Well yesterday me and my bud were playing Doom 3 on 1280x1028 with high quality settings and getting a more than playable framerate with the only occasional slow down occuring when something very extreme happened, and i mean extreme we had about 12 zombies attacking us in one room lit from several different points and it didn't flinch.

I haven't upgraded for about 4 years so i didn't know what to expect but after seeing that anyone who can complain about their upgraded system is a moron. It is very cheap to geta bit more ram and affordable to put a larger pentium 4 in your computer if you have a base P4 motherboard. As for the cards, the 9800pro is amazing.

Anyways, after seeing a few threads where people have whined about such things i decided to make this so people can get a little perspective on the situation. Your upgrades were not in vane!

P.S. you also have had the joy of your excellent computers for a whole year, that's also pretty cool.

 

[el Chi]

Well, it didn't really need an entire thread of its own, but I don't care because I am in complete and solid agreement with you.

 

[PainLord]

Anyone who thinks its Valves fault that they upgraded their PCs "for no reason" just doesnt deserve to live. You upgraded it. It was your choice. Its not their fault you didnt take delays into account.

 

[Jimlad]

Well... actually, it *was* their fault really, because they confirmed that it wouldn't be delayed mere days before the 30th. You honestly don't see anything wrong with this?

 

[mosquave]

So Gabe wasn't telling people that a 9800 pro would be the best card for this game?

Even when they must have known the game was going to be delayed.

Not that it bothers me personally.

 

[Jimlad]

Yes... not that it bothers me personally either, but I don't think the people who claim that Valve were justified in lying to their fans have a leg to stand on. The claims that people who upgraded were somehow "at fault" for actually believing them are baffling.

 

[Rupertvdb]

Well... actually, it *was* their fault really, because they confirmed that it wouldn't be delayed mere days before the 30th. You honestly don't see anything wrong with this?

No man, read my post, again and again until you see my point....OR...i'll clarify.


It *WASN'T* their fault because they were being a bunch of jokers regarding the release date.

If you upgraded on the basis of a single game then i can't help you, if you are willing to spend how ever much cash (or your parents) to play one game then you are too dumb for words and you deserve all the shame and pariahship associated with it.

If you were upgrading anyways and this spurred you on then that's fine, but again you were upgrading anyway, you got the computer you wanted, it is there, you have enjoyed it, get over yourself.

Either way the net result is an excellent computer, they may have totally got it wrong about their releae dates but even if they had said right up until the very split second it was coming out then it shouldn't make a difference, the link between Valve and your upgrade is non existent, or at least for any reasoned person it shouldn't be!

 

[venturon]

It doesn't matter what they say. Unless Gabe comes down to your house, wrestles and gags you, then forces you to buy a new computer, it's your own fault and your own problem. Reminds me of those bullcrap cases where a criminal breaks his neck robbing a house, or when some idiot tries to sue the people who put the pole he crashed into in because he couldn't resist the urge to leave his mobile unanswered. Rediculous.

Honestly, why not actually wait until the game is out, then if you're unsatisfied with your performance but enjoy the game, upgrade? Oh hang on, I forgot. That's too smart. Sorry!

Anyway, if you upgrade your computer to play HL2 well, it should be able to run other programs quite well too, which would justify the upgrade.

In conclusion... um... Cry me a river, or something.

 

[skipper]

i updated my graphics card to play hl2 but also other games as other games are equaly graphical as hl2 so i dint waste my money i was upgradeing any ways as i could see the difference in games with my old geforce3ti500 most off the games where getting abit slow but now with my new radeonX800 everything fine. so i have no complaints about them as DUKE SAYS "ITS DONE WHEN ITS DONE"

 

[Plug]

It's exactly like that example given, the public liability cases (is that right?) with criminals breaking their necks and car accidents into poles because of phones...

For all those people who say something like, it's valve's responsability to announce a right date in order to not mislead fans - it's a load of crap.

The fans made up their own rules about how they upgrade, they choose not to wait for the gold announcement... it's their fault if they're not happy.

If you're not 100% sure about an upgrade, then why do it?

And god, your computers will all run it well anyway! i bought my computer at the beginning of this year, and got an x800 pro a month or so ago - my specs are right up there, i'll run it perfectly at a really sweet res.

Stop kidding yourself kids, take responsability for being silly.

 

[chriso20]

i have exactly the same specs (intel 3ghz 800fsb, 1gig ram, 9800pro) and on 1024*768 i get average of 60fps but i cant get them on high quality settings. I think you're lieing.

 

[Rupertvdb]

I think you're lieing.

Why in God's name would i lie to you about something like that?

I won't go into a detailed list of bits because it's boring, nethertheless the esence of his CPU was exactly what i said and we got it running to the standard i said. If you can't do it then...well...i dunno, we benchmarked on 3Dmark and got 6005 if that helps your comparison?

 

[Mountain Man]

Valve has to accecpt at least some of the culpability. After all, they were the ones claiming the game would be released on September 30, 2003 and encouraging fans to upgrade to the latest and greatest (at the time) hardware by bundling free game coupons with certain graphics cards. There are people who upgraded thinking they would have the best system available at the time of Half-Life 2's release, and had they known the game would be delayed a whole year they would have held off on the upgrades so as to make sure their hardware was the best available. As it stands, they upgraded too early based on faulty information and now they don't have the system they really wanted for Half-Life 2.

Basically, Valve promoted false information and customers acted in good faith that Valve wasn't lying or engaging in deceptive marketing (Valve had to have known months before their targeted release date that they weren't even close to having a releasable product). While the customers in question still acted of their own free will, to say that Valve is free of any responsibility is simply wrong.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Try not get into a big fight over framerates guys or I'll have to close the thread

 

[aeroripper]

I bought a new PC last summer from a 900mhz athlon and build a new Athlon XP 2ghz

I've updraded my video card to Radeon 9800 pro and ram up to 1gig

I can run doom3 on medium and get pretty good fps (maybe 25 or so in big firefights) and its fun for me to play and i can't notice a huge difference when going to high anyways...

I'm hoping it will be the same with hl2 although i am going to max everything out (cept AA and AF) and see how well it runs first :-P

i figure the computer i upgraded from last year is still fine to run hl2... i can't afford to keep it running at 60fps everywhere all the time :-P

 

[X-Vector]

I agree with Mountain Man and I think it's a shame that so many people in here only seem to be able to reason in black and white terms.

It's also a shame that we have to put up with totally unnecessary flaming such as "shut the hell up" and "anyone who thinks its Valves fault that they upgraded their PCs "for no reason" just doesnt deserve to live".
I realise this is a very busy board, but I'd still like to see stricter moderation in this area; at times I feel almost embarassed to read the comments on this board.

 

[Rupertvdb]

of course it is, this is my point.

To the dude who mentions the vouchers, i just bought a graphics card (a geforce 6800) with commandos 3, X-2 and a moto game, i didn't get it because of them, i got the card because that's the component i wanted.

Valve may well have supported the ATI range and promoted it with this voucher deal but to be honest i don't think it cuts the mustard as a reason to buy a card. Lots of companies support video cards, to be suckered into buying one simply for this reason just makes you stupid not them evil.

You can buy the game any time, getting it with a graphics card is meaningless because cards cost so much. You can moan all you like but i do not think that you can make a actual reasoned argument that places the 'blame' (let's not forget you got an amazing card) on Valve.

 

[Ecthe|ioN]

I upgraded recently because my other computer had a bit of a struggle with Doom 3. p4 1.8, gf3ti200, 512mb pc2100. I consider HL2 a bonus for my computer. I don't think I'll have any problems playing any games for the next year or two .. If they delay hl2 for 4 more years, then I might get pissed for upgrading my comp, but an upgrade was kind off necassary anyway.

 

[X-Vector]

Valve did a little more than support and promote the ATI cards, the term "plug" and "sell" would be more in order and they've had a bigger motive to do so than simply mutual respect.
I personally think ATI couldn't have wished for better sales personnel than Newell & co.

I think that the main issue is that you not only are reasoning from your personal perspective (nothing wrong with that), but are perhaps subconsciously trying to promote your views on the matter to a universal truth.
As in "I don't have any problems with 'X', so how can anyone else?".
I haven't upgraded for HL2 yet myself, but since it is pretty much the only game I'm looking forward to at the moment, I can see why people would have and why some of them are disappointed with the end result (the 9800 Pro or XT no longer being the superior cards for HL2).
I see no legitimate ground for you to question such opinions and try to treat them as inherently invalid.

 

[PinnerDink]

Valve did not hold a revolver to your head and scream "Touch your toes, sing yankee doodle and buy a new PC you sucker bitch!@#"...this is true.

HOWEVER...Valve knew damn rights, that their game was going to influence alot of new PC buyers choice (same thing on the Doom 3 side of things). Valve has been tooting their own horn about how source will be one of the next new engines which alot of games should be using. Throw into this mix a dash of Anti-Vidia "propaganda", and youre sinking pretty low.

Because of their sept. 30 shenanegans, I bought a new PC...and an ATI Radeon 9800. Yes...Im lovin' it. But in all honesty, if I knew HL2 was delayed, I probably wouldnt have bought this $3000 CDN computer until maybe sept 30 "2004". Probably would have saved myself money or gotten better for the same price.

Its my own damn fault. Valve doesnt HAVE to take responsibility for dumbasses like me. But ffs do not try to say valve is innocent. 3drealms is currently saying every 2 weeks "do NOT buy a computer for duke"..theyve said that for the last 10 years (or whatever the dev cycle has been).

 

[Homercidal]

of course it is, this is my point.

To the dude who mentions the vouchers, i just bought a graphics card (a geforce 6800) with commandos 3, X-2 and a moto game, i didn't get it because of them, i got the card because that's the component i wanted.

Valve may well have supported the ATI range and promoted it with this voucher deal but to be honest i don't think it cuts the mustard as a reason to buy a card. Lots of companies support video cards, to be suckered into buying one simply for this reason just makes you stupid not them evil.

You can buy the game any time, getting it with a graphics card is meaningless because cards cost so much. You can moan all you like but i do not think that you can make a actual reasoned argument that places the 'blame' (let's not forget you got an amazing card) on Valve.

Actually, if you factor in the price of the game that you were planning on getting anyway (I hadn't heard of those games you got with your card, but I DID intend on buying HL2 no matter what), then you can take at least $50 off the price of the card, making it a heck of a deal. When coupled with the fact that Valve insisted the game was going gold in a matter of a couple of weeks, there is more than enough incentive to purchase a video card. If you need a new card, and the game you've dreamed about is going to go gold in a matter of days, and the card you want just happens to come with a free copy of that game, then you buy the damn card! Not all good cards are $500. Some are closer to $200 and $50 savings is significant.

Valve should be making responsible statements, not "Gold in a couple of weeks, we're sticking to it." when they don't actually release the game for more than a year. That is irresponsible, plain and simple. As for the people who bought the video card to get a good card, and a great game at a significant discount, that is smart purchasing, and they are therefore even more disappointed when the game is not release as assured.

It's not the same thing as going on a picnic on a stormy day just because the weatherman says it's going to be sunny. In that case, the weatherman has NO control over the weather. Valve has complete control over their game and knew it's status 2 weeks before the thing was to go Gold.

So, people have a right to bitch, and even Valve knows it.

 

[Rupertvdb]

An answer

I agree with Mountain Man and I think it's a shame that so many people in here only seem to be able to reason in black and white terms.

It's also a shame that we have to put up with totally unnecessary flaming such as "shut the hell up" and "anyone who thinks its Valves fault that they upgraded their PCs "for no reason" just doesnt deserve to live".
I realise this is a very busy board, but I'd still like to see stricter moderation in this area; at times I feel almost embarassed to read the comments on this board.

I think you're wrong, simply put.

The unnecessary flaming is bad, i'm probably guilty of it myself at times, saying that i can't see all that much in this thread and the best advice is to ignore it because it doesn't do anyone any good.

Back to disagreeing, the issue is black and white in this case. I don't know if you saw it but there was a thread where several people went off against Valve due to the fact they had 'made' them update their computers by setting a release date they failed to hit and ATI managed to get a contract to put vouchers for HL2 in with their card.

This created a huge surge of excitement for the cards understandably and so lots were sold, the game failed to materialise, people were annoyed.

I cannot afford to upgrade whenever i want, i am upgrading now, tomorrow the bits arrive, for the first time in 5 years, simply put it's £700 for a whole new system that i hope shall last me another 5 years, saying that it'll probably last me longer, the specs are fairly high (3.0P4, 1gig ram, GF6800) but that's how i do things, it's cheaper than spending bits here and there to keep it up to date.

Other people are different, they can, or can someone, to pay for their upgrades whenever they want, this too is fine, whatever turns you on.

Anyone who upgrades no matter how much money they have is spending a lot of cash. Those who spend it on the basis of a single game are a bit mad but that's fine.

HOWEVER. At this point frustration for me sets in.

Those who then complain about their upgrade because of a computer company failing to reach a goal they set are the fools. There are no two ways about it.

1) A single game worth a maximum of £40 does not justify spending anything beyond that figure to play it. Go spend the money elsewhere if you can do that because it's not a sensible way to spend cash and in moral terms is a bit of a travesity.

2) Getting past the idea of getting a computer for HL2's sake alone. Spending that much money is a big deal, you upgrade because you want or need a better computer, you are committed once it is done, so it should be a well made decision, a game company not releasing a game you want should be a disappointment but not enough to make you complain so vocally, i'd say it's worth a 'goddamnit, i wish that thing was out' rather than a storm the gates riot.

3) You have a system that is very capable, lots of people don't, won't or can't have something that good, be appreciate!

4) On the capable system front, you have had a lot of joy from the computer (hopefully) up until now so your accusations of Valve's 'deceit' ruining anything for you just doesn't stand.

5) It is painfully obvious you shall be able to run the game perfectly well regardless so the complaints being made don't have any real strength to them.

6) On the voucher front as i have said lots of cards come with bundles to help encourage people to buy them. This one happened to be a lot more tantalising than the usual 'Gunmetal and MotoGP' combination. These offers should not to anyone with any sense make someone purchase a card. It is obvious that the manufacturers package popular games to increase the price tags with suitable mark ups. It makes sense to.

7) Valve are a business, they have to behave in a business like fashion to survive, the financing for HL2 had to come from somewhere so these contracts that they can get is only going to benefit us in the long run. This does mean that we shall see some disgraceful whoring out to the highest bidder, in this case ATI, once again you should be able to see through that especially when deciding to spend large quanities of money.

8) You are your own person, if you feel suckered by this company then fine, don't buy their product, whine about the way they duped you into spending money on your awful machine because of their pretty promises.

Conclusion) I avoided upgrading at the time although i did consider it, i went through the above reasons and others i can't remember right now. If i had upgraded i wouldn't be whining now, i would be grateful that i could and i would enjoy it.
There is no sense in worrying about such petty problems because in they end they add up to nothing but wasted breath. Your complaints fall on deaf ears and those that do listen just hear the wails of spoilt children. Bottom line is if you have a problem go make a fansite about it, leave this one for those that can rise above such snobbery and idiocy, it's bad for you it's bad for the forums and most impronatly from my point of view, it's bad for ME. Your bad vibes do nothing but get in the way of people writing sensible, funny or just interesting things regarding a game i look forward to and intend to enjoy.

 

[X-Vector]

Rupertvdb, you're welcome to offer your opinion on the matter in such a verbose way, but it's obvious to me that you either haven't read or haven't grasped a single bit of the points Iand others have made in this thread.

I also find it rather unfortunate that you won't or can't seperate yourself from the intolerance towards alternative viewpoints that pervades this forum.
Can't speak for others, but I don't enjoy your attempts to dictate what I can and cannot think, do and post and neither am I impressed with your immature judgemental attitude.

 

[aeroripper]

wow, essay man

I really don't think and other company besides valve would get away with stuff they've done on hl2

Vivendi had to step in to announce the delay on Sept 30th and i bet that pissed them off...

etc

 

[iamaelephant]

Rupert, you are accusing people of not reading your posts, or not understanding your points, when it's clearly obvious that you are not even trying to put the effort into understanding other people's point of view.

People obviously upgraded of their own free will, be let's be realistic, if any game company on earth says "Yup, game due for release in less than a week!!" then we are inclined to believe them. How Valve acted was totally irresponsible, and shows their complete lack of respect for their fans. You can't blame people for upgrading for a game that was sure to be in stores in a weeks time.

 

[Rupertvdb]

Rupertvdb, you're welcome to offer your opinion on the matter in such a verbose way, but it's obvious to me that you either haven't read or haven't grasped a single bit of the points Iand others have made in this thread.

I also find it rather unfortunate that you won't or can't seperate yourself from the intolerance towards alternative viewpoints that pervades this forum.
Can't speak for others, but I don't enjoy your attempts to dictate what I can and cannot think, do and post and neither am I impressed with your immature judgemental attitude.

Your derogatory tone is fantastic, but wholly unnecessary, infuriating and simply discourteous.

I wrote that 'verbeose' little diatribe because I was fed up with people using this forum to stray from the issues and launch their own tirades against Valve.

If you had read my posts you would see that i have addressed issues people have raised by disagreeing with them, because i do not change my opinion does not mean i haven't addressed the issue.

I would suggest it is you that refuses to lose the intolerance regarding other's posts as your reaction to my thread has been to make a lot of noise that has not furthered the issue one iota. Where was your breakdown of my arguement to give a reasoned basis for attacking Valve? Where was your attempt to adress the issue?

I think maybe it is time someone told you how to think and post because currently it does not seem to be up to scratch. The forum is for discussion of HL2, this thread was my attempt to steer it that way. Your thoughts from the posts seem to be wholly critical without making an attempt to enagage the issue and provide any kind of alternate stand point.

I shall not be making a half way house response to an issue of this import. It is not that i am beyond criticism of Valve because i am very wary of the fact they have not been the most honest company. However, i decided that the attacks that i have seen being made have gone too far, people have gone from critiquing Valve to mindlessly associating blame for problems that do not exist. I would thank you to either respond to this in a mature way or leave the thread well alone because I do not feel you are using your posts as anything other than a vehicle to project your own negativity.

 

[Rupertvdb]

Valve did a little more than support and promote the ATI cards, the term "plug" and "sell" would be more in order and they've had a bigger motive to do so than simply mutual respect.
I personally think ATI couldn't have wished for better sales personnel than Newell & co.

I addressed this in my post if you checked.

I think that the main issue is that you not only are reasoning from your personal perspective (nothing wrong with that), but are perhaps subconsciously trying to promote your views on the matter to a universal truth.
As in "I don't have any problems with 'X', so how can anyone else?".

This isn't an argument, how does this address the issue of people's behaviour on the forums?

I haven't upgraded for HL2 yet myself, but since it is pretty much the only game I'm looking forward to at the moment, I can see why people would have and why some of them are disappointed with the end result (the 9800 Pro or XT no longer being the superior cards for HL2).

I addressed this, i never said that disappointment was a bad thing, i said that coming to a fan site to make multiple page threads, off topic posts and general abuse due to their disappointment was the source of the problem.

[/quote]I see no legitimate ground for you to question such opinions and try to treat them as inherently invalid.[/QUOTE]

The reason i started questioning them was because they came into this forum, clogged up its arteries and are now forcing it to wheeze along dealing with all the trash that they kick up. The negativity you refer to is in fact these posts and not someone like me who in general enjoys talking about HL2 and looks forward to its release. This is a negative thread because I am tired of people's baseless complaints, if you could be courteous enough to go back and answer my posts then maybe i would understand and be less enraged by you.

 

[poseyjmac]

to address a small point. rupert you have to realize that 'perfectly good peformance' and 'great performance' are subjective terms.

to me anything less than a 6800gt or x800pro would not be acceptable for a hl2 experience. it would just be OK. you don't need to tell someone that they should be appreciative for something as subjective as PC performance. people with top of the line PCs don't have to count their blessings because there are those who have crappy ones.

 

[Rupertvdb]

Rupert, you are accusing people of not reading your posts, or not understanding your points, when it's clearly obvious that you are not even trying to put the effort into understanding other people's point of view.

People obviously upgraded of their own free will, be let's be realistic, if any game company on earth says "Yup, game due for release in less than a week!!" then we are inclined to believe them. How Valve acted was totally irresponsible, and shows their complete lack of respect for their fans. You can't blame people for upgrading for a game that was sure to be in stores in a weeks time.

This doesn't make sense. You accuse me of not addressing people's posts but if you check i started this thread so the original post is there to be understood and you, for one seem to have failed to grasp its point.

I have put effort into understanding people's point of views, decided they were baseless and harmful and so have written my own summation of why i think their stance is flawed.

You then go on to give a reason why people may upgrade in time for HL2. Which i never actually said was a bad thing, if you care to check, i don't blame people for upgrading.

It's the people who come to a fansite and use the discussion forum to haplessly flame the company that produces it because they 'made' them upgrade that deserve and receive the shame i put on them.

 

[Rupertvdb]

to address a small point. rupert you have to realize that 'perfectly good peformance' and 'great performance' are subjective terms.

to me anything less than a 6800gt or x800pro would not be acceptable for a hl2 experience. it would just be OK. you don't need to tell someone that they should be appreciative for something as subjective as PC performance. people with top of the line PCs don't have to count their blessings because there are those who have crappy ones.

Then i cannot change your mind.

If the game had come out back then it would have been just as taxing but you would have played it on your 9800 XT (or whatever) and been happy. As it is a new card has come out so a false sense of loss has been created.

I'll just say maybe people with top of the line PCs should count their blessings because very few people can afford it and they are very lucky to have that opportunity.

I won't go on because i am writing far too much for my own good but despite my posts, upgrading your PC doesn't bother me. I don't care. I just don't want you coming to a fansite I enjoy and clogging up a discussion area marked for HL2 talk only and spreading your negativity everywhere.

 

[Mountain Man]

Rupert, your general beef seems to be "sour grapes" over those who can afford to upgrade their computers, which isn't the issue at all. The issue is, Valve promoted false information (information they had to have known was at the very least inaccurate) and it influenced the timing of people's purchases. Had Valve been up front about the true status of Half-Life 2, these people would have most likely held off on their upgrades in order to get more bang for their buck.

The central issue here is "good faith". Valve made certain statements and people took it on good faith that Valve was being forthcoming and acted accordingly. In short, Valve betrayed their trust, and that's the real issue.

 

[Edcrab]

Wah. Not entirely sure why you made a new thread to address your points directly, Rupert- surely you knew this would happen?

Now, I'm obviously going to biased to some degree because I didn't upgrade for HL2, but I have to admit I can see where a lot of the "complainers" are coming from.

I can't tell whether people want to make the justification behind complaints this thread's primary issue or the manner of the bemoaning; in the latter case, yes, the (dwindling) trend of constantly attacking Valve in a variety of mediums is starting to grate across the community's nerves. I always considered it a topic that has been worked to death (such as the continued presence of "OMG HtIS SHOP SED HL2 IS COMMING OUT1!!!1") but it still seems to attract a fair amount of attention...

But as for the actual logic behind many people's irritation, its easy to see their point: no, Valve didn't force them to spend a huge (or not-so-huge) amount of money on upgrading their computer, and ultimately they should've had sense enough to improve their machine based on their overall funds rather than the impending release of a single title, but regardless its understandable why such a large portion of the 'net seems obsessed with the subject.

Personally, I suspect much of the bad feeling is directed more at Valve for their handling of the Sept. 30th fiasco, rather than having any real grounds in this whole upgrade debate. Quite simply, if you can't afford that new graphics card you shouldn't have bought it; and considering that I'm stuck with a FX 5700 (yes, you knew the whining was inevitable, didn't you?) you can't tell me that your fresh from the box hardware can't run modern games. Although considering how long ago this madness started you could hardly call any component bought with HL2 in mind "fresh from the box".

 

[Dynasty]

tbh all this 'omg my computer wont run hl2!!!!! wtf do i do???!!!' is really pissing me off.

i agree with Edcrab in the fact that if you cant afford the new card you shouldnt have bought it, just so you can play games with a better image quality and performance increase. ffs guys, graphics dont maketh the game.

are you really buying hl2 for the graphical pleasure? dying to show your mates how much better your pc is than theirs? sure, hl2 will be gorgeous, sorry, is gorgeous to look at, but that isnt a reason to buy it. what if hl2 has a rubbishly connecting story line??? what if the physics arent how they're supposed to be? cmon guys, think of things other than hardware...

the source engine is designed to suite any computer, within the minimal requirements. you should only upgrade if your computer doesnt meet them.

 

[NeLi]

Or if you can afford it..

 

[Jimlad]

tbh all this 'omg my computer wont run hl2!!!!! wtf do i do???!!!' is really pissing me off.

.......

the source engine is designed to suite any computer, within the minimal requirements. you should only upgrade if your computer doesnt meet them.

Oh! That's ok then, I'd much rather run HL2 on a crappy PC, because "gameplay is better than graphics"! Please. You seem to have missed the point - people buy good hardware so that they can get the absolute most they can from the game, and with a game as highly anticipated as HL2 this is totally understandable. If everyone took your view, nobody would ever buy top of the range hardware. I think an awful, awful lot of people are going to disagree with you on this one, including myself.

 

[Mountain Man]

I'll say it again, the hardware debate is just a red herring. The central issue is that Valve betrayed the trust of their fans.

 

[Rupertvdb]

But that is not what i made this thread about and not the purpose of this forum, your comments are not 'on topic' for this thread or this forum, stop clouding the issue and reread my posts to understand what the issue is.

 

[Mountain Man]

In that case, your original post lacks merit. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Rupertvdb]

Why does it lack merit? Because it doesn't talk about something that a thousand threads are already quite competently covering, i apologise for not rehashing the topic, i felt the forum could do with a bit of origniality. Maybe i should retain staleness in my approaches from now on.

On the "sour grapes" front, i mentioned this a couple of times in passing, i myself just upgraded and spent a lot doing it, do not take my points out of context and twist them, it holds things up.

Anyways Page 2 pretty much says everything i could want it to, i am more than happy to get into reasoned debate, say why this thread lacks merit and maybe i can solve, at least for myself, what has got everyone's back up.

 

[cadaveca]

i bought one 9800xt, and my choice over that nvidia card was made becasue of the fact that HL2 was, as it said on the box "included inside." This is what ticks me off....i don't have a cd, or any type of media, containing a HL2 game. There is no fine print on my box saying "when it's made available", just simply "included inside." THAT IS FALSE ADVERTISING. no 2 ways about it. one of my friends is a patent lawyer (i'm 27) and he agrees with me. But here's the kicker....i don't blame VaLVe at all...i blame the video card manufacturer...it was THEM that put the cards inside the box instead of a cd...
i upgraded to upgrade. but the chance of getting HL2 greatly swayed my choice in parts. PERIOD. i'm a little dissapointed that i spent so much too early, in fact i would have saved about $200 if i waited for HL2....but that was not my only reason for upgrading. Now i have the fastest sub-2.4ghz w/9800xt in the aquamark ARC....no complaining from me...

saying a 9600xt is preferred graphics for HL2 is kinda a sham too... but this has nothing to do with VaLVe....it's all on the card makers. Maybe all this energy should be directed at the actual culprits, and not VaLVe, who simply made a deal to get some extra cash, so that they could incorporate DirectX9 and PS2.0/3.0....those added detail makers are somethiung that i am more than willing to wait for....lie c'mon guys...have ya noticed the difference between the old binks and the new ones? why do you think the new ones look so good? maybe the extra time they have spent on the game? Maybe all the new hardware that has come out has something to do with it too....i mean really, VaLVe has done alot, and trying to make sure your product is the best available is not something to be angry at. Remember that they invested thier own PERSONAL MONEY to fund this game...consider that higher price you paid for that card a donation to further technology.

no x800xt? please don't whine. i don't know why you's want a chip on agp that was designed for pci-e....or do ya even know what that is?
you realize of course that VaLVe had to deal with compatibility issues there too, right?

oh, SP2 is out....more software broken by this than any other update....maygbe that has some effect too, no?

people complaining at VaLVe are not looking at the big picture. there is more to meets the eye than just valve not meeting a deadline. if you ask me, it could not be helped. I praise valve for making a stand, and saying "no! we will not release an inferior product!"

this is what you all are asking for...and if that's what you want, go download the leaked version from e2003....i'm sure that will give you the game you want.