Hollywood f*cks over early HD-DVD and BluRay adopters

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http://gear.ign.com/articles/691/691408p1.html
A very interesting article about the security features that Hollywood has decided on for the new DVD technologies. Certainly screws over a lot of people who would be early adopters. The funny thing is that all of this will be cracked in no time, so it will just add to the frustration of people that actually want to stay legit while not harming pirates in any way. The people in charge of this shit need to stop worrying so much about dumbass protection schemes that can get cracked and start thinking about new distribution schemes. Until then, f*ck them.
 
they aren't new 'dvd technologies' -- they're new formats.

lol @ the people who say 'z will be cracked in no time.'
 
destrukt said:
they aren't new 'dvd technologies' -- they're new formats.

lol @ the people who say 'z will be cracked in no time.'
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I haven;t seen a DVD format or security tech yet that hasn;t been cracked
 
Icarusintel said:
I haven;t seen a DVD format or security tech yet that hasn;t been cracked
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It will be cracked, but make no mistake about it, it's going to be a hell of a lot hard to crack. And it most certainly won't be cracked like todays DVD's by avrage Joe in his livingroom with his home pc. The only cracks will be from pro hackers, which will make the piracy a lot more concentrated, and a lot easier to deal with.
People said that starforce would still be easly hacked to and yet still you can't play TM:sunrise and a lot of starforce games, cracked or even with mountingsoftware unless you unplugg all your IDE drives.
cracking usually realied on flaws that were overlooked, but just like with password software, they have learned from their mistakes and the new protection shemes are going to be hell.
 
aacs is only one form of drm.

also, the main reason i said 'lol @ people who ..' is because, you people are annoying; you do 0 work, sit back and say 'omg, hd-dvd will be cracked and vista will be cracked in 6 months, being optimistic too lolz' -- so, yup.
 
This will be interesting... Unlike politics, I think people actually care about stuff like this. So for example, when people see how Karl Rove and Co have been royally ****ing this country up for the past 6 years, they just sit back and take it in the rear. It'll be interesting to see the shit hit the fan when people realize the cluster**** that this VHS vs Betamax: Episode 2 has become. Until someone can figure out how to make DRM and other copy-protection schemes acceptable to the consumer without shoving it down our collective throat, nobody is going to bother with it.
 
personally im against it, but the people are idiots if their going to complain if they didnt read up on it first
 
Revisedsoul said:
personally im against it, but the people are idiots if their going to complain if they didnt read up on it first
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Who? The people who, before this was announced, bought expensive HDTVs with industry standard (at the time) connections to watch every other HD source currently available? Yeah, they don't have a right to complain about not being able to play legitimately purchased HD movies on their expensive HDTVs at HD resolutions. Obviously, it's the consumer's fault that such ****-the-consumer DRM is being placed on both of the HD disc standards. :rolleyes:

Look, they know it's not going to stop piracy. That's not the point. Like WMDs, they just use it as an excuse. They want DRM for control. They want to control the hardware you use to watch their movies. They want the average consumer to be forced to buy a new copy of a movie when it breaks. They want the average consumer to buy a new copy of the movie if he wants to play it on his iPod. Also, they want licensing fees from all of the hardware manufacturers... so that when you are forced to buy a new HDTV to play your movies in the intended resolution they'll get some of the action.
 
Grey Fox said:
People said that starforce would still be easly hacked to and yet still you can't play TM:sunrise and a lot of starforce games, cracked or even with mountingsoftware unless you unplugg all your IDE drives.
cracking usually realied on flaws that were overlooked, but just like with password software, they have learned from their mistakes and the new protection shemes are going to be hell.
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forget about starforce. The internet based copy protection scheme used in Half Life 2 still hasn't been defeated. That's why there are no illegal copies of HL2 out there, except the early version of the game that was stolen, but that one doesn't count.
 
Mr.Kalashnikov said:
That's why there are no illegal copies of HL2 out there, except the early version of the game that was stolen, but that one doesn't count.
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There's a way around that too, off-line.
 
? I tried to reinstall my HL2 back up and I was unable to play offline until I connected online. Offline mode allows you to play offline, but not before first going online.
 
Wow. Im glad i didn't buy a HDTV yet. I wanted to make sure I get a great price on the right TV. Now, New TV's are going to be coming out, making the price really high again damnit, but that means there will be millions of the older HDTV's getting sold dirt cheap, and many many people will be selling their HDTV's that are only a couple years old, meaning i can buy a great used or new HDTV for cheap and skip-over HDDVD players and BluRay players, which I wasn't planning on buying anyway.


They can fit HD movies on DVD's!

They can if they put the extra content - if they wish to include - on a bonus DVD. Most movies are about 1 hour 45 minutes. Long movies will have to be on 2 discs I suppose, thats the huge downside, an interuption in the movie that can break the immersion. My buddy has a 5 disc DVD changer - but still there is a pause when the disc changes.

Anyway, it doesn't really affect me becuase Im not in the market for any of this stuff, and won't be for a few years. Maybe by then they will have worked this all out.

Sounds outrageous! **** them!
 
OCybrManO said:
Who? The people who, before this was announced, bought expensive HDTVs with industry standard (at the time) connections to watch every other HD source currently available? Yeah, they don't have a right to complain about not being able to play legitimately purchased HD movies on their expensive HDTVs at HD resolutions. Obviously, it's the consumer's fault that such ****-the-consumer DRM is being placed on both of the HD disc standards. :rolleyes:

Look, they know it's not going to stop piracy. That's not the point. Like WMDs, they just use it as an excuse. They want DRM for control. They want to control the hardware you use to watch their movies. They want the average consumer to be forced to buy a new copy of a movie when it breaks. They want the average consumer to buy a new copy of the movie if he wants to play it on his iPod. Also, they want licensing fees from all of the hardware manufacturers... so that when you are forced to buy a new HDTV to play your movies in the intended resolution they'll get some of the action.
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so your saying that them not bothering to find out that all details of a technology are yet to be finalized and then complain that its something than they were expecting.

its like all the people right now buying pre-n wifi routers and then complaining that they dont with with the n standard when it comes out.

now i agree with you that its a shitty deal, and they are out to get your money, but this is what happens when you have early adopters. things change and the so call industry standard really hasnt been finalized
 
Mr.Kalashnikov said:
? I tried to reinstall my HL2 back up and I was unable to play offline until I connected online. Offline mode allows you to play offline, but not before first going online.
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Yes but you can simply install it on a pc, go online, and then never start up steam when the pc is connected to the net.
And loan it ti our friends and they can do the saem, now setam will always work offline, cause it has no way on knowing that you installed it on other pc as long as it doesn't connect to the net.
Plus as far as I know hl2 is cracked, infact I played css beta cracked, and dod to try it out.
 
Revisedsoul said:
so your saying that them not bothering to find out that all details of a technology are yet to be finalized and then complain that its something than they were expecting.
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How were they supposed to know they would get shafted by the same people that want them to buy their products? All signs pointed to component video doing the job just fine. Everyone supported it. Consoles, cable/satellite providers, DVRs, upscaling DVD players, video cards, and everything else that put out an HD signal had support for component video. It was literally the industry standard. Every HDTV and every HD device had it. Then, suddenly, the MPAA comes out and says "**** all of those people. We don't have enough control over them. They have to buy new TVs if they want to use our products." They want to kill the industry standard and replace it with something more DRM friendly. That's pretty much all the new connections offer other than using one connector instead of three.
 
or they could just go with one of these
Dvi to component
which could solve the dvi problem depending on the type of dvi connection they use. hdmi is a fair bit expensive.

plus, alot of companys were pushing dvi and hdmi for more than just drm, bing completly digital was another reason.

but i must agree now with you now.
 
I doubt you could just convert the signal from HDMI/DVI to component to bypass it because there's probably going to be either an encrypted signal that the TV has to decode or a digital handshake between the TV and the player before it will put out the signal.
 
Revisedsoul said:
so your saying that them not bothering to find out that all details of a technology are yet to be finalized and then complain that its something than they were expecting.

its like all the people right now buying pre-n wifi routers and then complaining that they dont with with the n standard when it comes out.

now i agree with you that its a shitty deal, and they are out to get your money, but this is what happens when you have early adopters. things change and the so call industry standard really hasnt been finalized
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Yea the same thing happend when cable TV was introduced. All the new TV's were claiming to be 'Cable-Ready' when the final method wasn't even complete yet. I still have a working TV from about 18 years ago that claims to be cable ready - yet the cable input doesn't even resemble any type of input ive ever seen (obviously a connector that was never adopted)
but the good part is that they included a second type of connector that is a coaxial input (todays cable input). So there were two connection input types depending on what the final cable connector was.

So HDTV's should have offered at least 2 types of connections - do they not? but the fact that they are using DRM techonology and forcing another type of connection is just evil and unnecessary, and sounds like its going to completely make every Audio/Video product ever purchased obsolete if you want to see it in High Defenition.
 
i'd give it a week, you just can't stop people from hacking stuff, once they've got the video stream off and it's in DivX format it'll make the rounds like any other DVD Rip, when will people realise that massively complicated rights management only punishes legitimate consumers? guess what's the only game i can't play right now cause my ISP is blocking the required ports? yep, HL2, all my other games without such stupid antipiracy measures are just fine and all the ones i downloaded for shits and giggles or to see what they're like have run flawlessly, by downloading a game you sometimes get a better product than the one in the store...

but yeah, DVDs, new DRMCCASCMTS%&* will not make it long before every new release is cracked and uploaded in the snowy deserts of whateverkigstan and we can all enjoy HD DVDs without the bullshit hollywood try to put you through

bring it:thumbs:
 
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