How is ready?

[iyfyoufhl]

So who is ready of true communism?

Do you think you are ready?

 

[MjM]

What?

I thought it had pretty much shown itself to be a faliure?

 

[iyfyoufhl]

What?

I thought it had pretty much shown itself to be a faliure?

maybe, the people who led weren't trying to build communism in a first place

 

[bvasgm]

So when you say, "Who is ready of true communism", do you mean who is ready for true communism? Because saying you're ready of something doesn't really make sense.

Edit: Also, the thread title should be "Who is ready" not "How is ready".

 

[iyfyoufhl]

So when you say, "Who is ready of true communism", do you mean who is ready for true communism? Because saying you're ready of something doesn't really make sense.

Edit: Also, the thread title should be "Who is ready" not "How is ready".

sorry, i think faster than i type, anyway, i think communism could work if the people are ready for it

personally some people are ready, some aren't, i think we need more time

it's all about moral values, but not those taked about by Mr. President Bush

 

[Icarusintel]

the thread title really needs to be changed, and simply put true communism will never work because people cannot coexist in perfect harmony with one another, it goes against human nature

 

[iyfyoufhl]

the thread title really needs to be changed, and simply put true communism will never work because people cannot coexist in perfect harmony with one another, it goes against human nature

but, look at the nature itself, all around us (not in New york) there is harmony of life, i think some day people will grow into realizing that technology can do only so much and turn to nature and harmony, stop being so self-centered and realize the true happines,

i know sounds like a whole bunch of tree-hungging-hippie shit, but it's only a label, so don't judge me

 

[Icarusintel]

but, look at the nature itself, all around us (not in New york) there is harmony of life, i think some day people will grow into realizing that technology can do only so much and turn to nature and harmony, stop being so self-centered and realize the true happines,

i know sounds like a whole bunch of tree-hungging-hippie shit, but it's only a label, so don't judge me

well, it hasn't happened yet in the entire time humanity's been around... doesn't look like it'll be happening anytime soon

 

[iyfyoufhl]

well, it hasn't happened yet in the entire time humanity's been around... doesn't look like it'll be happening anytime soon

it's only been invented...what...like...hundred years ago, a little more, it's a reletively "young" consept

 

[MjM]

Is communism even comming. I got the impression that some form of democracy seemed to work best at the moment.

 

[TheSomeone]

How many times does an idea have to fail before we accept it just won't work?

 

[Ikerous]

Is communism even comming. I got the impression that some form of democracy seemed to work best at the moment.

Democracy and communism aren't mutually exclusive, are they?
Either way, it's unlikely to ever happen.
As long as people crave power, capitalism will rain supreme.

 

[Sulkdodds]

but, look at the nature itself, all around us (not in New york) there is harmony of life

Bollocks.

The nature of all animal and plant species is to advance themselves at the expense of other species and usually other members of the same species. There is no harmony of life: there is just a constant riot of competition.

If animals had money, they'd be capitalist.

Communism is a wonderful, beautiful idea, but because of basic human nature - the desire to be better then your fellow man - it will never, ever work. Until humanity transfers its mind onto computers and is able to edit out bits of the human mind (or whatever) there will be no true communism. As it exist now, communism is compeltely impossible because to keep people communist you have to sustain a centralised, totalitarian regime which defeats the point of the whole thing in the first place!

 

[kirovman]

Our democracies today resemble republics more than democracy.

True democracy would mean a lot of referendums, which has not been achieved.
Likewise true communism has not been achieved.

 

[Anthraxxx]

Socialism good

Communisim bad

 

[Dag]

Communism works on paper, not in life. On paper, the people all work as hard as they can for money. In life, people realize that they can sit back, not meet quota, and still get paid. The government provides everything for them, and I like to stick more to the policy of How hard you work is how well off you are.

 

[Sulkdodds]

Although surely in true communism there is no government?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I will die before communism takes hold here. And I truly mean that.

I would take down so many of those who would try to force it upon us before I was killed.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

I will die before communism takes hold here. And I truly mean that.

I would take down so many of those who would try to force it upon us before I was killed.

why so negative?

 

[gh0st]

Socialism good

Communisim bad

A certain mustacheoed dictator thought as you did once.

why so negative?

Communism has caused tens upon tens of millions of deaths. There is one nation where it has "worked' (if you can call it that) and that is Cuba. China is a human rights fiasco, and the USSR well, lets just say more than its fair share of citizens disappeared into the night.

but, look at the nature itself, all around us (not in New york) there is harmony of life, i think some day people will grow into realizing that technology can do only so much and turn to nature and harmony, stop being so self-centered and realize the true happines,

I doubt some caveman millions of years ago turned to nature at the discovery of bronze. Just because my cable lines been upgraded to 4mb doesnt mean I'm going to become a commie.

 

[iyfyoufhl]

Communism has caused tens upon tens of millions of deaths. There is one nation where it has "worked' (if you can call it that) and that is Cuba. China is a human rights fiasco, and the USSR well, lets just say more than its fair share of citizens disappeared into the night.

i think you can't blame "tens upon tens of millions" deaths (u mean labor camps, right?)on communism, it was the people (corrupt) who were in power

I doubt some caveman millions of years ago turned to nature at the discovery of bronze. Just because my cable lines been upgraded to 4mb doesnt mean I'm going to become a commie.

i didn't connect there, see i was sort of pushing towards spiritual-meditational-quiet-Tibet lifestyle working in communist society, i'm not talking about degrading, i am talking about growing morals and clearety of the souls

 

[Sulkdodds]

Of course, Russia wasn't even communist, technically speaking. Socialist and totalitarian yes, but not communist.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

why so negative?

You're not going to stop me from being free to make my own business, live as I please, or take MY land.

When it came down to it, to stop me from doing those things they'd finally have to use force, and look at what they'd be using force to stop- someone's free rights. And I'd take down as many of them as possible as they stepped onto MY land to force me off.

And I'm glad a majority of the nation would do the same because it insures that it would never take hold here

Thank God we're armed.
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Admiral Yamamoto

 

[jonbob]

YOUR land? What makes it your land?

 

[Lemonking]

communism is evil I would die trying to fight against it

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

YOUR land? What makes it your land?

The fact that I paid for it and uh, live on it, and have nearly all of my life?

 

[Sulkdodds]

communism is evil

No it's not. Stalin was evil. Mao was evil. The Soviet government was evil.

Karl Marx and communism in itself are not evil. What's so evil about wanting everyone to be entirely equal and share all possessions?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

No it's not. Stalin was evil. Mao was evil. The Soviet government was evil.

Karl Marx and communism in itself are not evil. What's so evil about wanting everyone to be entirely equal and share all possessions?

The fact that it -forces- people too.

In capitalism, people can do that themselves freely. People can organize into communes if they wish. Those who don't want to, don't have to.

 

[Lemonking]

yep Rakurai is right

 

[Kangy]

You're not going to stop me from being free to make my own business, live as I please, or take MY land.

When it came down to it, to stop me from doing those things they'd finally have to use force, and look at what they'd be using force to stop- someone's free rights. And I'd take down as many of them as possible as they stepped onto MY land to force me off.

And I'm glad a majority of the nation would do the same because it insures that it would never take hold here

Thank God we're armed.
"You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Admiral Yamamoto

Yeah, that's why I don't like communism either. It can and never will work, and just disadvantages everyone in the mean time while everyone else figures that out.

 

[Dag]

i think you can't blame "tens upon tens of millions" deaths (u mean labor camps, right?)on communism, it was the people (corrupt) who were in power

Or trying to keep thier government in power by silencing those who oppose it, and making examples of innocents. And by starting wars to incite nationalism? Communism preaches violence, and denies religion of any kind. In the Communist Manifesto, it states that for communism to come about, the working class would have to overthrow the upper class in a violent revolution. And you want to blame the deaths on the leaders, not the system? If every Communist leader has caused thousands of deaths, does that tell you something about the system, or just people in power?

 

[Pesmerga]

but, look at the nature itself, all around us (not in New york) there is harmony of life, i think some day people will grow into realizing that technology can do only so much and turn to nature and harmony, stop being so self-centered and realize the true happines,

i know sounds like a whole bunch of tree-hungging-hippie shit, but it's only a label, so don't judge me

You've known no nature further than the one on this Earth, how could you possibly fathom how other places work? We are extremely different from other species on this planet, and thus, radical changes in thought and ideas dictate how we interact with each other and the world.

Democracy, in it's purest form, is the single best way for humanity to work on a practical level, so far. It's not perfect, nothing can be, but so far it has proven itself to be far greater in terms of fairness and freedom than anything else. The only problem with democracy is that sometimes we appoint people who aren't generally acting with the best intentions in mind. A lot of people are greedy, which isn't really their fault, but it's up to the voters to appoint people who have done a good job for them.

Communism can never work with humanity, our mindset is far too interested in indivualism and self acheivement to ever give communism a chance. Besides, it would be BORING. No war, no variety to life, it's pointless and I really can't fathom a society where everyone is equal to me in terms of status and pay. Communism can only work with a group whose members are not interested in anything else but their job, like a computer network. Do you want to be a computer network? No.

 

[Hapless]

Communism and, to a certain extent, socialism, provides no incentive to achieve. Picture this: You are an exceptional worker, capable of producing above and beyond most people. I am a mediocre, somewhat lazy worker who just does enough to get by. In a system which provides for both of us equally regardless of what we do, what incentive would you have to work at your level? What incentive would I have to better myself? This is why communism descends into totalitarianism so easily. Quotas must be established and strictly enforced. Get it?

A perfect example of this is when my son was learning to walk. My wife came up with the brilliant idea of clapping and cheering for him whether he took a step or fell down. So, my 18 month old son who had never been exposed to any idealogy, figured out that he could fall down much easier than he could walk. He then started falling down on purpose without even attempting to walk, and then looked up at my wife with a big grin on his face waiting for the praise to be heaped on him. It occurred to me that this was communism/socialism at work.

 

[HunterSeeker]

Communism is a wonderful idea, but it fails for one reason: Humanity

Humanity has to radically change before it would work.

Currently I think a liberal with a strong dose of socialistic society is the best.

Besides, economic freedom is overated...

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Communism isn't a wonderful idea in itself either. I implore anyone who thinks communism is even a nice idea in theory to read the Communist Manifesto and other works by Marx.

It is one of the worst planned out, unfair, rights stomping, somewhat elitist, and violent ideologies there is. And I'm not talking "the communist leaders of days gone by" I'm talking the actual system.

In theory it's even horrible.

People should be free to live as they wish. Economic and social freedom- both of which communism stamps out.

 

[Dag]

And totalitarianism, and Socialism, and Facism, ect. People should be free, but only to a certain extent. If people were to be free to do exactly what they wanted, then we would have anarchy. People need to be told what they can and cannot do.