How my CPU fused to my heatsink

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I tried taking off the heatsink, had a lot of trouble, but got it off....only to see that my pentium 4 chip was stuck on the bottom of the heatsink, and will not come off......so getting it back on wouldnt work because of the latch that fastens the chip to the motherboard. SO guess what I did....i broke the latch.......start flaming...

however, i got it to fit back on, put all the wires back etc....and plugged it in. I hit power and it makes the same noise it would if it was starting except I get an orange light in front and no picture on the monitor......

if anyone has any advice or just feels the need to flame the shize outta me, feel free.....but i really dont think it was all my fault, stupid heatsink....:(
 
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I'm not sure how the latches actually work, but your CPU is prolly ****ed...possibly your motherboard too. But I'm just quick guessing...

Hope that I'm wrong :)

Really you should have read some guides or asked for help somewhere before you started screwing around with your stuff...
 
ya, i bet they are....but what i dont get is how it continued to run.....

i assume Id need either a new mother board, unless they can replace the part which holds the cpu/heatsink and most likely a new cpu....

I forgot to mention that the pins on the pentium got bent.....haha.....i suck at life

the only reason im not crying right now is that im building a new pc next week....and im basically using my old one for parts....such as dvd/cd drives.
But id still like to have another pc for the internet

:| ;( :| ;( :| ;( :| ;(
 
It's best if you twist the heatsink a bit when taking it off. You might want to try that now. Prying it could be bad.
 
Well from what i've heard, any bent cpu pins mean it's no good and not fixable (hard to believe, I would think one could bend the pin(s) back...very carefully)

So likely no cpu left...

If there's no latch to hold down the cpu, how did you get it (and the heatsink) to stay? You must have put the case on its side or something? If you were going to replace that cpu, I guess you could use the same mobo but only if it was kept on its side to keep the cpu in place...but that's not exactly........good...

Shitty :(
 
theres actually a few latches, 1 holds down the cpu, the other two hold down the heatsink....its one of those annoying lever ones......anyway.....i can get it to stay together.....

If the cpu was busted, would the system still semi-start up?
 
My friend has forgot to put in the CPU when building a machine before. It was one of those Asus boards with the talking error messages. It told him his CPU was not installed. The board turned on...with beeps and all. Just no CPU.
 
Tyguy said:
the only reason im not crying right now is that im building a new pc next week....and im basically using my old one for parts....such as dvd/cd drives.
But id still like to have another pc for the internet

:| ;( :| ;( :| ;( :| ;(
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Seriously, after reading this and other threads / posts of yours, it is clear you have NO idea what you are doing. It doesn't sound like you should be building a new PC, or even buttering your own toast at the moment. I'm not trying to flame, I'm trying to save you (or your parents I suspect- I'm guessing your about 15) some wasted money. Learn and read up on things first, and just have some patience. If a part wont come off easily, then stop and look more closely.

Secondly, it seems you have just been finding links to high-end parts, and posting them in "I'm gonna get this, what do you think" threads. Judging by your technical wizardry (see the "I don't have a heatsink so I'm gonna get one" thread, and even this one), it makes you seem full of crap.

PS- If you were capable of building a PC from scratch, you would know enough about hardware and what it does to answer your obvious questions like this.

You're making yourself look like a fool to anyone paying attention. If you really have any money to make a PC with, and you really want to learn how to do it, how about you post what you can actually afford, and admit you have no idea what the hell you are doing, and ask for step-by-step help or a guide from someone. It will save everyone time and effort, and save you / your parents money.

Stop the bullsh*ting.
 
lol ahhh i remember this when i did the same thing except with an amd 64 3200 and i got bent pins. upside is i got it replaced for free HORRAY FOR HP PART RECOVERY!!!!
 
Stucco said:
Seriously, after reading this and other threads / posts of yours, it is clear you have NO idea what you are doing. It doesn't sound like you should be building a new PC, or even buttering your own toast at the moment. I'm not trying to flame, I'm trying to save you (or your parents I suspect- I'm guessing your about 15) some wasted money. Learn and read up on things first, and just have some patience. If a part wont come off easily, then stop and look more closely.

Secondly, it seems you have just been finding links to high-end parts, and posting them in "I'm gonna get this, what do you think" threads. Judging by your technical wizardry (see the "I don't have a heatsink so I'm gonna get one" thread, and even this one), it makes you seem full of crap.
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I agree with this guy. Not to sound mean or anything, but like this guy said, it sounds like you don't have much of an idea when it comes to stuff like this.


And about your processor...I'm quite sure its messed up if the processor was lifted out of the socket from its "locked" position (which it was considering you probably could not have lifed the lever with the heatsink still attached).

One more thing....why in the world did you want to do that? You would have had to replace the thermal pad with thermal paste and I'm sure you don't even have that around. Its not something you can just pull off and say "Oh, thats how it goes" then just plop it back on, no sir.

In short, your P4 is dead, and you should really really really read up A LOT more if you do intend to invest as much money as you are building a computer.
 
Idonotbelonghere said:
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I'm not sure how the latches actually work, but your CPU is prolly ****ed...possibly your motherboard too. But I'm just quick guessing...

Hope that I'm wrong :)

Really you should have read some guides or asked for help somewhere before you started screwing around with your stuff...
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Probably are wrong.

EDIT: Nvm, didn't realise that you hadn't disengaged the lever when you realized the whole shebang was stuck. Yeah, that was pretty stupid.

Just let your PC run full load for a few minutes, turn it off, open it up, let the heatsink cool till you can touch it (while it's still hot), then try taking the CPU off again.

The heat make the thermal grease a bit more maleable.

Oh, and stucco, yes, he does sound like a major dofus atm (hehe, have yet to try that game), but try put yourself in his position.

Here's how he probably feels right now:

"Omfg i'm just some dumbshit who has no idea what he's doing, and needs some major help. I'd like to have multiple oppinions to my question, so a forum might be wise, but then again, what if I ask a question that's super noobish, and get flamed to hell, and even possibly banned (because it was in a sticky or posted one page ago)?"

When you find a hobby you're clueless about, you'll see what I mean.

But yeah, tyguy, wouldn't common selse tell you that heat makes things melt, thus maybe heating your cpu/heatsink brick might help?

:P
 
How are you posting this if your only computer's motherboard is ripped up?
 
poor guy :p

seriously though. if you want to build your own pc i suggest you do a lot(a lot) of reading up on how to put it together before you touch anything. im sure some people on here will be happy to help if you have any serious questions
 
Tyguy said:
I tried taking off the heatsink, had a lot of trouble, but got it off....only to see that my pentium 4 chip was stuck on the bottom of the heatsink, and will not come off......so getting it back on wouldnt work because of the latch that fastens the chip to the motherboard. SO guess what I did....i broke the latch.......start flaming...

however, i got it to fit back on, put all the wires back etc....and plugged it in. I hit power and it makes the same noise it would if it was starting except I get an orange light in front and no picture on the monitor......

if anyone has any advice or just feels the need to flame the shize outta me, feel free.....but i really dont think it was all my fault, stupid heatsink....:(
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Why were you taking your heatsink off in the first place?
 
Stucco said:
Seriously, after reading this and other threads / posts of yours, it is clear you have NO idea what you are doing. It doesn't sound like you should be building a new PC, or even buttering your own toast at the moment. I'm not trying to flame, I'm trying to save you (or your parents I suspect- I'm guessing your about 15) some wasted money. Learn and read up on things first, and just have some patience. If a part wont come off easily, then stop and look more closely.

Secondly, it seems you have just been finding links to high-end parts, and posting them in "I'm gonna get this, what do you think" threads. Judging by your technical wizardry (see the "I don't have a heatsink so I'm gonna get one" thread, and even this one), it makes you seem full of crap.

PS- If you were capable of building a PC from scratch, you would know enough about hardware and what it does to answer your obvious questions like this.

You're making yourself look like a fool to anyone paying attention. If you really have any money to make a PC with, and you really want to learn how to do it, how about you post what you can actually afford, and admit you have no idea what the hell you are doing, and ask for step-by-step help or a guide from someone. It will save everyone time and effort, and save you / your parents money.

Stop the bullsh*ting.
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heres the deal....

im 22, graduated from college last year....I have a full time job at Harvard University in the Alumni Department. I live by myself and have my own money. The first time i posted that I wanted a new pc, every single person suggested I build my own and that its simple. After a long time after posting that, I finally decided to consider it. I shopped around and looked at what parts I would need, and asked everyones opinion.

As for the heatsink.....not really my fault when the thing comes off with the cpu stuck to it.....didnt give it that much pressure. Its more than 4 years old so that may of been the reason. Besides that, I took the thing completely apart and back together in 15 minutes, that was my only problem.

Now....I understand I may of asked "noobish" questions, but when your dealing with over 2 thousand dollars worth of stuff, you wanna make sure you arent questioning yourself when installing it.

And really, the forums are here to help people. I dont know if your just having a bad day, but relax, take it out on your wall. Ive shown alot of respect on these forums and appreciate the help, but comments like that doesnt do anyone any good.
 
ah guys give the guy a break, we've all been in the situation where we're not sure exactly what we're doing ..he made a simple mistake nothing more. I too built my pc with little to no knowledge and that's how I learned ..not from reading manuals but by actually doing it


the heatsink thing ...you should never remove your heatsink unless you are changing your heatsink or cpu ...that said there are some guides on how to properly insert/remove your cpu ..the best being the manual that came with your cpu. You've made a mistake but that's ok, now you know better :)
 
CptStern said:
ah guys give the guy a break, we've all been in the situation where we're not sure exactly what we're doing ..he made a simple mistake nothing more. I too built my pc with little to no knowledge and that's how I learned ..not from reading manuals but by actually doing it


the heatsink thing ...you should never remove your heatsink unless you are changing your heatsink or cpu ...that said there are some guides on how to properly insert/remove your cpu ..the best being the manual that came with your cpu. You've made a mistake but that's ok, now you know better :)
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thanks alot Stern.....you've been a big help with all my posts. I want to learn about all this stuff. And all the guides I have read assume you have previous knowledge of OC'ing or hardware. Ive spent alot of time reading up on this stuff....
Maybe ill look at pre built pc's, im not sure......
So thanks again......
 
it's not that hard to put together a system ...if you can plug in a few wires and follw instructions you should have no problem
 
I am deciding bewteen an alienware aurora 7500 and building my own.

The alienware will include the 4400, nvidia geforce 7900 GT, 2 gigs of ram, 650 watt PSU, and a 160 GB hard drive.....all for 2300.

However, if I order all of the parts I want, ill pay around 2100.

WOuld you say an extra 200 bucks is worth it or is alienware not a good idea?
 
you should be able to save far more than $200 building it yourself ...on the plus side alienware optomizes each pc they sell and will even OC if you want them to. Downside is you pay for shipping


here's an example of a price you can get for pre-built:

http://secure.ncix.com/pcbuilder/index.php?action=getprice&id=2291387&platformid=1000

$2118.31 US

you should be able to shave at least another $100-200 off that by picking up the parts yourself


personally I'd save $200 and buy the 7800GT ...the frame rate difference isnt all that much ..hardly worth an extra $200 ..if you have $500 + to spend on a video card I'd look into the ATI 1900xt 512mb card or wait till stores stat selling the nvidia 7900GT which I think has 512 mb of memory ...also I'd really consider waiting a bit till Dx 10 cards come out ..should be by beginning of summer
 
thats great.....I think I might do that instead......I can get everything I need. I took what you suggested and dumb question, but the dvd writer, can that be used as a cd/dvd rom?
all together it comes to 2383 CAN

anyways......I think ill do this instead...thanks alot for the help Stern...your the man

ps. Have you dealt with this company before?
 
Tyguy said:
thats great.....I think I might do that instead......I can get everything I need. I took what you suggested and dumb question, but the dvd writer, can that be used as a cd/dvd rom?
all together it comes to 2383 CAN

anyways......I think ill do this instead...thanks alot for the help Stern...your the man

ps. Have you dealt with this company before?
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yes I buy from them all the time despite being located clear across the country ...btw where do you live? They're really good ..BUT if you're going to order from them let me know cuz you can sometimes price match individual parts and select parts go on sale every thursday


and yes the dvd drive can burn cd's too ..if you want just pick up a second cd/dvd player (not writer) for about $15 less so you can burn copies of cds/dvds
 
I live outside of Boston, and apparently they dont accept credit cards from the US. I have to use paypal....and not sure how I do that.....
 
actually, I just found out they have an office in Richmond, so I can order from there....
 
it al comes from the same place ..richmond is near vancouver but they do ship to the US
 
CptStern said:
it al comes from the same place ..richmond is near vancouver but they do ship to the US
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do you know if there is any way of paying with a credit card instead of paypal? I talked to some guy over the phone and he said he coudlnt accept a credit card....but that was the vancouver office....so im not sure if any of them are different


Edit: Damn, they dont accept from US. I came up with this at buyXG......little more expensive and not the case i want, but oh welll


Case :X-Discovery Mid-Tower Case 420W W/ WINDOW & LCD Temperature Display (Black Color)
CPU : (939-pin) AMD Athlon™64 X2 4400+ Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology
Mainboard : (Sckt939)ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe nForce4 SLI Chipset SATA RAID Dual PCIE MB w/Gb-LAN,USB2.0,IEEE-1394,&7.1Audio
Memory : 2048 MB (1GBx2) PC3200 400MHz Dual Channel DDR MEMORY (Corsair XMS High Performance Memory w/ Heat Spreader)
Video Card : NEW! NVIDIA Geforce 7900 GTX 512MB 16X PCI Express Video Card
Hard Drive : 250GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8M Cache 7200RPM Hard Drive
Optical Drive : (Special Price) LG GWA-4161 16X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Sound : HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
 
Stucco said:
Seriously, after reading this and other threads / posts of yours, it is clear you have NO idea what you are doing. It doesn't sound like you should be building a new PC, or even buttering your own toast at the moment. I'm not trying to flame, I'm trying to save you (or your parents I suspect- I'm guessing your about 15) some wasted money. Learn and read up on things first, and just have some patience. If a part wont come off easily, then stop and look more closely.

Secondly, it seems you have just been finding links to high-end parts, and posting them in "I'm gonna get this, what do you think" threads. Judging by your technical wizardry (see the "I don't have a heatsink so I'm gonna get one" thread, and even this one), it makes you seem full of crap.

PS- If you were capable of building a PC from scratch, you would know enough about hardware and what it does to answer your obvious questions like this.

You're making yourself look like a fool to anyone paying attention. If you really have any money to make a PC with, and you really want to learn how to do it, how about you post what you can actually afford, and admit you have no idea what the hell you are doing, and ask for step-by-step help or a guide from someone. It will save everyone time and effort, and save you / your parents money.

Stop the bullsh*ting.
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Oooh My God that's fikin Funny "Or butter your toast at the moment" I never teared laughing but ladies and gentlemen I just did.

Fikin Lol.
 
that same guy who gave me all that sh*t is the same guy who doesnt know how to turn his mouse light off.......:|
 
Maybe you should help the poor guy, if you know how.
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To be honest with ya, I prefer wired mouses, I think they more accurate than infrared/laser/wireless mouses. But then again, it is just my opinion.
 
You CAN bend back bent pins. When I was building a computer some months ago I dropped the CPU while running up the stairs (almost fell off the side :|). Alot of the pins were bent but all I did was just bend them back with a plastic card. My brother had a similar thing happen to him on an old proccesor but his ENTIRE case filled without parts fell on top of his CPU. Basically all the pins were flattened and twisted but luckily none came out (which you should be careful of when bending them back). He managed to fix it though and got his pc running with it.
 
As long as CPU pins are not severely bent, you can bend them back into place without ruin them.
Happened to me when I was fresh out of collage noob, by inserting CPU the wrong way, and I naively bent them back into place and everything went fine.
 
Barney Fife said:
As long as CPU pins are not severely bent, you can bend them back into place without ruin them.
Happened to me when I was fresh out of collage noob, by inserting CPU the wrong way, and I naively bent them back into place and everything went fine.
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.5mm mechanical pencils work good for bending the pins back.

Just remember to take out the lead Mr. I didn't disengage the lever holding my cpu in.
 
Tyguy said:
that same guy who gave me all that sh*t is the same guy who doesnt know how to turn his mouse light off.......:|
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Thats right. Someone that couldn't turn his mouse light thinks YOU are stupid. Owch.

Try to at least learn something about stuff you want to comment on / ask about / do, before you open your mouth.

PS- a mobo keeping power to externals when the PC is off is quite common, I just wanted to stop it doing that. All done now! You on the the other hand, sound like you can't work a spoon.
 
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