Hurt Locker producer: criticizing our lawsuits makes you a moron and a thief

[V-Man339]

Wow.

-----Original Message-----
From: [redacted]@[redacted].com
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:21 PM
To: Nicolas Chartier
Subject: Hurt Locker lawsuit
Dear Mr. Chartier,

I have recently become aware of Voltage Pictures' intention to sue thousands of people who are suspected of having used BitTorrent to download films produced by your company.

I wish to register my disagreement with these tactics, and would like you to know that as a result of these actions I am boycotting your films. The majority of the people you are suing were not seeking to make money from their downloads, and will be financially devastated by a lawsuit or settlement. While it is completely understandable that Voltage Pictures wishes to defend its intellectual property, this is an inhumane way of doing so.

Until Voltage Pictures publicly states that it will not pursue lawsuits for downloading its films, I will not view, rent or buy any films produced wholly or in part by your company. I will urge my friends and family to take the same actions. I do not wish for the money I spend on entertainment to be used against otherwise good people.

Thank you for your time.

From: "Nicolas Chartier"
Date: May 15, 2010 2:30:30 AM PDT
To: [redacted]@[redacted].com
Subject: RE: Hurt Locker lawsuit

Hi Nicholas, please feel free to leave your house open every time you go out and please tell your family to do so, please invite people in the streets to come in and take things from you, not to make money out of it by reselling it but just to use it for themselves and help themselves. If you think it's normal they take my work for free, I'm sure you will give away all your furniture and possessions and your family will do the same. I can also send you my bank account information since apparently you work for free and your family too so since you have so much money you should give it away... I actually like to pay my employees, my family, my bank for their work and like to get paid for my work. I'm glad you're a moron who believes stealing is right. I hope your family and your kids end up in jail one day for stealing so maybe they can be taught the difference. Until then, keep being stupid, you're doing that very well. And please do not download, rent, or pay for my movies, I actually like smart and more important HONEST people to watch my films.

best regards,

Nicolas Chartier
Voltage Pictures, LLC
[address, phone, other personal details redacted]

Grow the **** up, Nicolas.

Edit: Now with original e-mail, thanks to KA.

 

[unozero]

why do these Hollywood types insist that stealing a data is the same as stealing some ones car or whatever it's dumb.

 

[Emporius]

Because it is.

 

[Sheepo]

I'd like to read the email he's replying to.

 

[kineaesth]

I'd like to read the email he's replying to.

-----Original Message-----
From: [redacted]@[redacted].com
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 6:21 PM
To: Nicolas Chartier
Subject: Hurt Locker lawsuit
Dear Mr. Chartier,

I have recently become aware of Voltage Pictures' intention to sue thousands of people who are suspected of having used BitTorrent to download films produced by your company.

I wish to register my disagreement with these tactics, and would like you to know that as a result of these actions I am boycotting your films. The majority of the people you are suing were not seeking to make money from their downloads, and will be financially devastated by a lawsuit or settlement. While it is completely understandable that Voltage Pictures wishes to defend its intellectual property, this is an inhumane way of doing so.

Until Voltage Pictures publicly states that it will not pursue lawsuits for downloading its films, I will not view, rent or buy any films produced wholly or in part by your company. I will urge my friends and family to take the same actions. I do not wish for the money I spend on entertainment to be used against otherwise good people.

Thank you for your time.

A ridiculous over-reaction.

 

[VirusType2]

I'm glad you're a moron who believes stealing is right. I hope your family and your kids end up in jail one day for stealing so maybe they can be taught the difference. Until then, keep being stupid, you're doing that very well. And please do not download, rent, or pay for my movies, I actually like smart and more important HONEST people to watch my films.

God, Nicolas sounds like a ****ing child. **** Voltage Films.

 

[Solaris]

Because it is.

But it most certainly isn't.

I haven't bought a film or been to a cinema for the last year or so. Even if there was no bittorent, I wouldn't have. It's not becuase I hate film, it's becuase I am totally broke.

In the mean time, I may have Bted these films, but what difference does it make. If I steal a car, someone loses and actual product and loses money. If I download a film, that I wouldn't have watched otherwise absolutely nothing changes.

I can still see why you'd think that is wrong, but it certainly isn't the same as stealing a handbag.

Anyway, I don't buy into the whole concept of capitalism that a certain corporation has a moral right to a product. It's just a method of extorting money from the people. Now capitalism might be the best way to organise our society around, but that doesn't mean it is something you should base your morality upoun.

Oh no, a corporation has earned a few quid less, whilst their workers are paid pennys. I don't care, remotely. Private property is theft.

 

[Sheepo]

A ridiculous over-reaction.

Thank you, and agreed.

 

[Emporius]

If I download a film, that I wouldn't have watched otherwise absolutely nothing changes.

So, using your example, if I stole a handbag that i wouldn't have otherwise bought, it's acceptable?

 

[V-Man339]

So, using your example, if I stole a handbag that i wouldn't have otherwise bought, it's acceptable?

No, if he made an exact copy of the handbag and stole it instead of depriving the owner of their property that he would have otherwise not have payed for regardless of how much it was on sale for, that would be acceptable.

 

[Warped]

and who wants to spend $15 both in theater and for the dvd/bluray down the road when you guys could just simply rent it and not worry. **** risk, I'm sticking with renting. besides The Hurt Locker (I bought it because people kept circle jerking over it) wasn't that great of a movie.

 

[kineaesth]

So, using your example, if I stole a handbag that i wouldn't have otherwise bought, it's acceptable?

The point being that private property is real, and finite, whereas a film is potentially infinite.

 

[Viperidae]

Then should people be paid to make music?

 

[kineaesth]

Yes. I think people should be paid for their movies, as well!

 

[Viperidae]

But they don't generate anything material.

 

[kineaesth]

Neither do you, you f*cking pedant

Oh that's right, SHIT

YOU PRODUCE SHIT.

 

[Raziaar]

Just as an aside, if somebody could make a perfect replica copy of my furniture without taking my original furniture, I wouldn't care.

The entering my house part is different, but because that's an entirely different issue.

 

[Vegeta897]

But what if you were having a garage sale, and you had all your shit out on tables in the driveway, and people would come up and somehow make clones of your items and walk away with them.

No harm to you, but then you didn't get any sales like you intended.

 

[Warped]

when they make something they think of it as their own daughter. so imagine in their eyes, you taking home their own flesh and blood, then using the hell out of it and passing it around to all your friends and even strangers.

This has been another Warped Analogy©

 

[Raziaar]

But what if you were having a garage sale, and you had all your shit out on tables in the driveway, and people would come up and somehow make clones of your items and walk away with them.

No harm to you, but then you didn't get any sales like you intended.

I don't have yard sales for that very reason.

But the thing is... most people who come to the yard sale wouldn't have any means to make clones of your items and the people who cloned them likely wouldn't have come anyway, since their whole reason for coming was to clone the items.

 

[15357]

I'd be annoyed too if every self-righteous prick came and told me that they won't buy my things. I don't really care: I have other customers, and the impending new-found wealth from my assorted lawsuits. Take that!

 

[Jintor]

Yes, but Numbers, you're a dick

 

[Sparta]

He's right to be annoyed at the guy. He poured a shit-heap of effort into the film and all he and others ask for is 10-15 bucks and two hours of your time. On the other hand, suing thousands of people for tens of thousands of dollars each is a massive dick move.

 

[15357]

Yes, but Numbers, you're a dick

D:


I resent that! I have not in my life ever sued anyone for their life's savings. For most, yes, but never the entiriety.

 

[Robbo]

I have only ever downloaded a few films, the good ones I end up buying anyway because the quality is terrible on downloads. I don't buy into this crap about them losing heaps of money, I haven't changed my movie watching habits since downloading became feasible and I can't imagine that many other people have either.
This all reaks of bull c**p

 

[Raziaar]

Shit man, you censored crap? You so funny!

 

[Vegeta897]

No he censored cshitp.

 

[Solaris]

But what if you were having a garage sale, and you had all your shit out on tables in the driveway, and people would come up and somehow make clones of your items and walk away with them.

No harm to you, but then you didn't get any sales like you intended.

Okay but what if you have a garage sale, make then of millions of dollars, and then people start cloning shit. Would you care?

 

[Vegeta897]

Nope.

 

[Krynn72]

lol, bittorrent. People still use that shitty method of downloading? I hope all you fools who still use it set your managers to not upload for this very reason.

I don't disagree with lawsuits over piracy, but I do disagree with making examples of people by ruining their lives. Go after the major groups that crack/rip the files and upload them, not the (relatively) innocent downloaders.

 

[Vegeta897]

>bittorrent
>shitty

 

[Solaris]

Whats the better method of downloading films and that in high quality?

 

[Raziaar]

*SNIP*

It's true... bittorrent sucks ass.

 

[63]

There's an alternative to torrents?

What??

 

[PvtRyan]

Well, I for one am glad I downloaded it because the movie was shit.

Anyway, I don't buy into the whole concept of capitalism that a certain corporation has a moral right to a product. It's just a method of extorting money from the people. Now capitalism might be the best way to organise our society around, but that doesn't mean it is something you should base your morality upoun.

I'm not going into the whole capitalism vs socialism with you again, but considering the free market relies on the freedom of the individual, I'd say it's possible to base your morality on that freedom.

Oh no, a corporation has earned a few quid less, whilst their workers are paid pennys. I don't care, remotely. Private property is theft.

Oh right, that's not a simplistic view at all.

 

[Solaris]

Well, I for one am glad I downloaded it because the movie was shit.



I'm not going into the whole capitalism vs socialism with you again, but considering the free market relies on the freedom of the individual, I'd say it's possible to base your morality on that freedom.



Oh right, that's not a simplistic view at all.

Freedom of the individual yes. But what the hell is a copreration, when you pirate a film that's the legal body you're depriving of money: a corperation.

A non-physical legal entity designed and obliged by law to make as much money as possible for it's share holders. I don't owe them anything.

 

[Matorbogl]

Hollywood is no different than "Wall Street" in that in both cases the people running these industries, be it banking or film production, are all in it for the bottom line. And to them, regardless of how accurate this assumption is, piracy is potential revenue lost so in their minds it is less money for them and their companies.

The irony in all of this piracy business is that what continues to perpetuate it, are the music and film industries them selves. They sell a product that is often times over priced for what you actually receive, and the methods of their products delivery and distribution are outmoded for the most part.

It can cost upwards of 20 US Dollars to watch a 90 minute film, that is most likely a remake of an older film, in a filthy movie theater that charges outrageous amounts of money for snacks and drink. It doesn't require a PhD. to see why people turn to piracy, they are able to view the film in the privacy of their own homes, with friends and family and not have to waste time, gas, and even more money going to a theater. Not to mention they wont have to even watch the previews or the obnoxious commercials.

I think I am starting to lose track of what I am saying so I will end it here, but in closing if the film industry wants to reduce piracy of their product, have a multi-pronged release (day one release in theaters, TV, and internet), and lower the prices.

 

[Viperidae]

Hollywood is no different than "Wall Street"

Whoa, I didn't know that producers and distributors who work in Hollywood represent all people who work there! What a crazy cult they must all live in, thinking homogeneously.

 

[Raziaar]

 

[Krynn72]

Whats the better method of downloading films and that in high quality?

There's an alternative to torrents?

What??

Yes, there are alternatives. I won't say what, and its equally trackable, but the files are stored on, and downloaded from, servers hosted in other countries. This is as opposed to the torrent method in which files are stored on, and downloaded from user's computers. When you download with bitorrent you are distributing the files (which gets you in A LOT more trouble if the RIAA or whoever decides to **** you), and the other method you simply download. So if you get "caught" (I use that word lightly, because anyone who pirates leaves an easily trackable trail unless they use proxies) then all you can possibly be charged with is theft, rather than being a distributor of the illegal copies.