i f****** hate elections

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so election are nearing for us also, like usual we need to choose between a douchebag and a turd plus some other pigeon droppings.

what i hate the most about elections is that the majority of people don't know shit about who they are voting for, so they just choose what the TV feeds them...i hate this. (my mother is one of these people just to make sure i don't have double standards).

i generally don't really give a **** about politics, but at least i try to read about someone i'm going to vote.


you're probably going to hate me for this...but i'm really starting to think all citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote...yes i might sound like an elitist bastard...but still...in general people don't have a clue about what they vote for.

i'm just hoping the internet generation will make better judgment than the currently ruling generation. probably not...since they will be to busy fapping on WOW porn rather than spending 3 minutes of their life to read about which party to vote.
 
They always wake me up in the morning and I'm always laying on them.
 
Call me an elitist bastard as well because I would have to agree with you.
 
I too agree, its just wasted votes when the people are dumb as sheep. Or dumber. It's disturbing to think that SHEEP are influencing the future of the country.
 
Protons are far superior.

And then Pi was a Large Hadron Collider.
 
If only there was some sort of system where the people's votes were ignored and the president was elected by a group of...colleges.
/jk

I actually don't have a great understanding of how the college system works. I know that each state gets a certain number of points and Florida is ****ed up but not a huge deal more.
 
you're probably going to hate me for this...but i'm really starting to think all citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote...yes i might sound like an elitist bastard...but still...in general people don't have a clue about what they vote for.
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And who decides who gets to vote and who doesn't? Allowing people to vote only if they meet a set of criteria you agree with is a very slippery slope.


riomhaire said:
I actually don't have a great understanding of how the college system works.
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It's really not that hard to understand. Most of the complication comes from the whole, "you are voting for an elector with the understanding that they will then go on to vote for the president you want" which, I'm assuming, was necessary in an era that didn't have the fast country wide communications of today.
 
jverne said:
so election are nearing for us also, like usual we need to choose between a douchebag and a turd plus some other pigeon droppings.

what i hate the most about elections is that the majority of people don't know shit about who they are voting for, so they just choose what the TV feeds them...i hate this. (my mother is one of these people just to make sure i don't have double standards).

i generally don't really give a **** about politics, but at least i try to read about someone i'm going to vote.


you're probably going to hate me for this...but i'm really starting to think all citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote...yes i might sound like an elitist bastard...but still...in general people don't have a clue about what they vote for.

i'm just hoping the internet generation will make better judgment than the currently ruling generation. probably not...since they will be to busy fapping on WOW porn rather than spending 3 minutes of their life to read about which party to vote.
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Cummon, you believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy, you think in such a system you would be allowed to vote?
 
Use the politically incorrect IQ system and only allow people over a certain IQ to vote? Just an idea.

/prepare for flame
 
By "politically incorrect" do you mean "scientifically iffy"?
 
Many foolish people in this thread.

This is how dictatorships are made.
 
theotherguy said:
Many foolish people in this thread.

This is how dictatorships are made.
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democracy...this is how bush got in office...twice.


i'm not saying a dictatorship is better, but there probably will be a time when a third option will be available. and i've got an idea where to start looking...technocracy.
there are some minor problems we'll have to overcome...like getting people to not be such greedy bastards.

democracy might not be the ultimate system ever achieved...for obvious reasons.
 
Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others that have been tried.
 
Democracy is the only morally acceptable form of government.

It's the fundamental principle that the government is created by the people and a servant to the peoples interest.

In a non-democratic society, why should somebody have to follow the governments laws - how can you justify it too them, when they have no say in it's creation.
 
Let's see: if they are fair laws that work well?
 
Mikael Grizzly said:
Let's see: if they are fair laws that work well?
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Perhaps, if the state enforced nothing more than 'freedom to do what you want until that infringes upoun the freedom of others' but then there's taxation too. Taxation without representation makes the people servant to the government.
 
Tell me, where should the government get the funds to run the country from then?
 
The problem is with the people, not the government. If the people are lazy fat and retarded, the government is going to be lazy fat and retarded.
 
We should just nuke the world, that way we'll have to live in an apocalyptic world and there will be no government. Just little tribes and shit, and if you don't like the tribe you're in, you leave and form your own!

Or just don't vote. Only squares/losers/fags/old people vote, no matter who you vote for, you get all covered in shit.
 
Solaris said:
It shouldn't becuase it shouldn't even exist...
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How did the idea of a government emerge then, and hasn't fallen ever since?

Or just don't vote. Only squares/losers/fags/old people vote, no matter who you vote for, you get all covered in shit.
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Not voting is idiocy.
 
Well it's sad but, American Elections are nothing but a high school popularity contest.

It's not about the important issues, it's about who said what about this or that, or who didn't wear an American Flag pin. Elections are damn joke in America, they are the equivalent as to who wins on Flavor Of Love, because so many of us are fu*ktards.

And people don't care about a leader who can lead, they care about a leader they can relate to, like being a mother of five. But what does that have to do with leading anything? Nadda.

That's like making a the high school prom queen the head heart surgeon at a hospital, hey it will attract more stupid people to our hospital, but oh, to bad people will die when someone actually needs heart surgery.
 
jverne said:
democracy...this is how bush got in office...twice.


i'm not saying a dictatorship is better, but there probably will be a time when a third option will be available. and i've got an idea where to start looking...technocracy.
there are some minor problems we'll have to overcome...like getting people to not be such greedy bastards.

democracy might not be the ultimate system ever achieved...for obvious reasons.
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That's precisely right. But Just because the candidate you didn't want to be elected didn't get elected doesn't mean you get to dismantle democracy. Poor candidates get elected all the time. I'd like to think that people can learn from their mistakes.

But guess what, in a dictatorship, an oligarchy, a monarchy, an aristocracy, a technocracy or a communist system, bad leaders remain where they are. There is no re-election. There is no second chance. At least we only have Bush for eight years. Imagine if his position was a lifetime one! Or, imagine if it were a technocracy or an aristocracy, and all of his cronies remained in office for the virtue of their "skill" or "position"?

Technocracy is just a fancy word for aristocracy. You want to know what living under an aristocracy is like? Just look at 1700's France or any other system that was run by absolute monarchs and aristocrats. If you put power in the hands of the few, then government power and benefit will only bend to the interests of the few.

The reason we have democracy today is because of the miserable failures of monarchies, aristocracies and dictatorships of the past.
 
theotherguy said:
That's precisely right. But Just because the candidate you didn't want to be elected didn't get elected doesn't mean you get to dismantle democracy. Poor candidates get elected all the time. I'd like to think that people can learn from their mistakes.

But guess what, in a dictatorship, an oligarchy, a monarchy, an aristocracy, a technocracy or a communist system, bad leaders remain where they are. There is no re-election. There is no second chance. At least we only have Bush for eight years. Imagine if his position was a lifetime one! Or, imagine if it were a technocracy or an aristocracy, and all of his cronies remained in office for the virtue of their "skill" or "position"?

Technocracy is just a fancy word for aristocracy. You want to know what living under an aristocracy is like? Just look at 1700's France or any other system that was run by absolute monarchs and aristocrats. If you put power in the hands of the few, then government power and benefit will only bend to the interests of the few.

The reason we have democracy today is because of the miserable failures of monarchies, aristocracies and dictatorships of the past.
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nope...you're wrong on that. technocracy is not an aristocracy.

theoretically in a technocracy everyone is given the right to educate themselves not just the wealthy. and people then get democratically elected based on their profession, accomplishments, ability, skills, and other traits not by just the ability to persuade someone you're better. if they don't perform well they can be democratically removed from office.

in a technocracy heritage plays no meaning.

but that's in theory...that's why i'm not getting my hopes up for this type of government at least for 60-150 years.
the core of technocracy is based on robotic automation. with robots doing much of the hard work people can stop focusing on material gain thus making greed less prominent.

let me give you a refreshing fact...in ancient Greece manual labor was considered unworthy for a respected individual. that is why many philosophers didn't work and relied on other sources of income. i don't remember the name right now, but one of those philosophers owned a quarry but his wife and son managed it, so he could focus on philosophy, mathematics and similar stuff.

so please don't tell me it's not possible, it is but the circumstances must be right.

technocracy is a mix of democracy, socialism, communism, automation,...

it's the government of the future and i'm quite sure of that. technocracy works best if applied to larger regions not just one country. a region needs to be self sufficient to prosper. and if you look at the trend...you can see that the world is slowly uniting.

the advent of fusion will make the short/mid term energy problems a thing of the past, robotics will advance to physically disburden man.
technocracy is the best (known) mix of robotics and humans.

i might be intertwining social and material systems, that's because it is intertwined.


most of us are too brainwashed by this capitalistic system that we are unable to perceive other ideas.
but i agree that anybody who wants technocracy now is a fool because it would never work. that's precisely why communism didn't, it wasn't its time.

you might be asking yourself where have i lost the democracy part..well first of all the democracy we have today isn't a really pristine one and second democracy is a pure social system.
 
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