I just don't think HL2 will rock as much as HL1 MP

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I am playing HL1 for 4 years MP after completeing it 3 times on SP and MP has me hooked from the day I first went online to "kill real people" :)
The reason why I am still hooked I put down mostly to the fact that I am still learning stuff and also "feel" I can learn even more and hence get better,plus of course I have never seen a better balanced game and it amazes me the layout/genius of the maps.

Now don't get me wrong about the thread title....I am absolutely dying to play HL2.....esp SP,but I just don't feel after playing the Beta and yes I know it was far far from the complete version, as if they can get the movement/map layout/feel for MP.......not saying it will be poor or average but not just as good as HL1 MP
 
congradulations on ruining the game for yourself and making horrible judgments on a ****ed up beta
 
I'm pretty sure HL2 multiplayer will be brilliant. Especially when the next CS type game (as in the next big MP mod that takes CS' crown) comes along

As for the stolen files. I heard very very very very little of the MP part of that is even from Valve, just kids throwing it together, so if there's any part of that which you should be completely ignoring it should be multiplayer

Just wait until proper multiplayer mods come along when its finally released. Unreal and the others will be quaking (pardon the pun:)) in their boots. It's going to be that good.


hey I made a reply without picking on him for looking at the stolen files. My anger management courses must be working haha
 
Originally posted by JANER
...but I just don't feel after playing the Beta...
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You hear that? That's the sound of your credibility going down the dumper.
 
Even if HL2 MP is just mindless deathmatch, the manipulator will bring a whole new element to it. Some of the ideas for manipulator based MP maps discussed earlier in this forum sound great, and possible too.
 
Are talking about HL1 MP as in DM? Or do you mean overall with the mods and all?

I guess it doesn't matter since I don't agree either way. HL1 DM wasn't particularly THAT special. Maybe I was just worn out on DM, though (my MP DMing began in the days of DOOM II). It was fun for a while. I think HL2 can outdo it.
 
Janer - I'm curious about that myself. Most people associate HL multiplayers greatness with CS and other mods, but vanilla HLDM is an excellent game in itself. I've been playing it for about 4 years, and am still learning little tricks and tactics that make the game interesting. The balance between speed, accuracy, and the many different styles of play, make an awesome DM. Sadly, it takes a small investment of time before you really develop enough skills to compete. New players get slaughtered relentlessley by the Vets, and need thick skin to start learning the game.

I haven't touched the beta, so I have no idea what HL2 multiplay will be like. I am very interested in how physics will play out. I can imagine some great gameplay angles when combining the movement of HL1 with the physics of HL2 (being able to grab and toss opponnents, use objects as shields). The 2 big things I'm really hoping for in HL2mp: a return of bunnyhop (doubltful..but someone will mod it like AG did for hldm), Tau movement of HL1.
 
"Even if HL2 MP is just mindless deathmatch"

I just love it when people say this. Talk to the people who have stuck with HLDM about how mindless it is. There are tactics, sensebilities, reflexes, and an awareness that takes months to develop, and can be honed for years. I don't know about any other DM games, but HLDM offers much more than you can see at first glance. Not trying to knock any other type of MP games...I just wish more people saw HLDM for the great game it is.
 
Originally posted by Finger
"Even if HL2 MP is just mindless deathmatch"

I just love it when people say this. Talk to the people who have stuck with HLDM about how mindless it is. There are tactics, sensebilities, reflexes, and an awareness that takes months to develop, and can be honed for years. I don't know about any other DM games, but HLDM offers much more than you can see at first glance. Not trying to knock any other type of MP games...I just wish more people saw HLDM for the great game it is.
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I think HLDM stands out as a bit more of a thinking mans deathmatch compared to the others out there like Quake, they all seem to be plauged with the chase the powerup and shoot in all directions hoping you'll hit something. Many Jedi Knight games suffer like that too, even in sabre only matches, people will just run around waving their sabres hoping to hit someone. It's the main reason I don't enjoy multiplayer much anymore, too many people playing it like that just spoil it. AvP too, players as aliens will run around still thinking their marines. Predators the same, and marine players will just camp there in a corner with a gatling and shoot anything that moves. Saps the fun out of it all. HL doesn't seem to be as badly effected though, apart from the cheaters who again spoil it for everyone

In all honesty I probably prefer to play against bots these days and just avoid the hassle of twits spoiling a game with cheats or not playing properly, sad state of affairs when AI plays a better game than real people lol
 
Originally posted by Finger
"Even if HL2 MP is just mindless deathmatch"

I just love it when people say this. Talk to the people who have stuck with HLDM about how mindless it is. There are tactics, sensebilities, reflexes, and an awareness that takes months to develop, and can be honed for years. I don't know about any other DM games, but HLDM offers much more than you can see at first glance. Not trying to knock any other type of MP games...I just wish more people saw HLDM for the great game it is.
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I played HLDM for at least a year till CS came out, and yah, I can still honestly say it was mindless. Not mindless in the sense that it doesn't take skill, mindless in the sense that basically your instincts take over and your brain tunes out. Kinda like the way Sharks are probably the most fearsome predator on earth and yet they have brains that are dwarfed by a common house cat's. Team based games are a lot more cerebral than deathmatch, I think anyone would agree with that.
 
Personally i found HLDM, like UT but not to the same extent, much more "spray and pray" than Quake 3, so I can't really agree with you on the thinking mans death match quote.
 
Originally posted by MooCow
Personally i found HLDM, like UT but not to the same extent, much more "spray and pray" than Quake 3, so I can't really agree with you on the thinking mans death match quote.
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yeah, well as I was writing it I pretty much came to the conclusion that bots are the only things that play multiplayer properly these days lol.. for the most part anyway, I'm sure there's a few people out there who'll play properly, never met em though :D
 
Hate to be a dick but use a little common sense before you make a post like this. The beta is not anywhere close to being finished, judging the game off it makes you look like a complete idiot. HL2 will have many multiplayer modes along with more advanced system and support for larger maps (you can leave them small if you want). This could only mean one thing, HL2 multiplayer will be 1000 times better than HL1, saying otherwise because of a 2 year old incomplete beta is nonsense.
 
We have no idea what the actual MP will be yet. And as I'm sure people have already pointed out, it isn't a good idea to base your views on something that isn't actually a beta, or an alpha, but a 5% complete smei-version of the game.

That's why I haven't touched it.
 
Re: Re: I just don't think HL2 will rock as much as HL1 MP

Originally posted by Mountain Man
You hear that? That's the sound of your credibility going down the dumper.
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I don't think you can judge someone's credibility simply by the fact that they played the beta. I feel sorry for you guys because it's like Oscar Wilde said "The only way to avoid temptation is to succumb to it"
 
This morning :D

Maybe one day, but I think we have a policy where people can't ask to be mods, they have to be selected.
 
Originally posted by Chris_D
This morning :D

Maybe one day, but I think we have a policy where people can't ask to be mods, they have to be selected.
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Just noticed this now, congrats man. Out of all the members I think you are the one that deserved it, everyone of your posts has been mature and many others have been very useful. :cheers:

Now I am getting offtopic so lets get back to the thread :)...
 
Thanks No Limit :cheers: :D

Yeah, I think that's what the other mods and admins thought which is why they decided to take me on which is cool.

EDIT: Get this thread back on topic or I'll close it ;)
 
*sigh* poster. you probably don't realize you are at 75 fov by default do you. its very incomplete dont base anything off what you see.
 
Originally posted by Finger
"Even if HL2 MP is just mindless deathmatch"

I just love it when people say this. Talk to the people who have stuck with HLDM about how mindless it is. There are tactics, sensebilities, reflexes, and an awareness that takes months to develop, and can be honed for years. I don't know about any other DM games, but HLDM offers much more than you can see at first glance. Not trying to knock any other type of MP games...I just wish more people saw HLDM for the great game it is.
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Just got in...and this guy is correct
I play the basic DM every day for 4 years and tell you what it totally blows me away everyday

btw best hldm player in the world is a bloke called GarPy....awsome to watch at lans...no 1 comes close to him...and he uses a joypad instead of keyboard
he is from England
 
ack people are too quick to cast judgment to things they have only glimpsed.
Isent he HL2 secret MP TF2?
 
oh hehe well their ARE people that are great in certian types of areas on a game. Mine is CQC, and i am pretty damn good sniper. But, i AM one of the best players for AvP 1. Only one guy could beat me, his name was Chaos. That punk most of the time i was 4 or 5 frags behind him, always a step ahead of me he was.
in CS my main specialtys are Shotgun pump, p90, scout, and Semit-auto Sniperrifles plus i am extreamly good with the USP SD, basicly any pistol. Hehe, when i play in matches and CAL i am eaither support or beach component, quick reflexes, steady hand and sharp eyes make a good Breacher.
Basicly any game, you name it, if it has a shotgun i will be the best at the shoty. I have learned that while using the shotgn, you must not make snap movments, everything must flow and accuracy is the most important. Like sword Arts, iaijutsu and battojutsu actuly.
 
'...and he uses a joypad instead of keyboard'

hehe :)
 
The HL2 multiplayer will rock. Why? Because the physics will make a MAJOR change and the vehicles will also. If you notice not many games now-a-days have just DM. The have TDM and others.
 
TDM and CTF are becoming very tired these days.

I want classes and objectives godamnit!!
 
lol I see that lot of u think that hldm sux so I want u to just take a look at those movies
http://nato.daddeln.de/pv/index.php3?nav=files&action=detail&id=2
And maybe u'll understand janer.
And tbh janer I think hl² could be good, bunnyhop works even if we can't add decentjump, tau jump is harder, no a3d2 :p
Just think of what a good mod maker could do by adding an easier bunnyhop like in cpm and a vertical tau jump. W8 and see.
 
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