I need to settle an argument about telekinetic types of powers.

[The Mullinator]

Hello everyone, sorry I havn't been around in awhile but school has been getting more difficult and there really hasn't been any interesting HL news recently anyway.

So back on topic. Im having an argument with a friend of mine about telekinesis, psychic, telelkinetic powers, etc. Its not about whether they exist or not but whether any of those types have powers have ever been proven in the general sciece community. He says that they were proven to exist in the 1920's. I say that they are not proven, and that mainstream science does not believe in them.

If anyone can provide any links to articles that could back up what I have said then it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[The Bear]

I think there are arguments for each but the general scientific consensus is that telkenetic powers are not a scientific fact.

 

[thehunter1320]

i don't have any official links but it was NEVER proven... it was proven that we only use 10% of our brain power... but it was never proven that the other 90% really has psychic powers

 

[pHATE1982]

I have never seen any evidence that they exist...

And if it was really proven beyond all doubt, surley it would be known as a common fact and you wouldn't be asking this question?

Your friend is a moron who argues for the sake of it... or he has very vivid dreams.

 

[Neutrino]

No they have not been proven. There have been studies and such that show evidence one way or the other but there is no proof either proving them nor disproving them. Mostly I think they are thought of as just superstition by the scientific community, because most of the time these phenomena cannot not be repeated in a controlled experiment. If you can't repeat something consistently then it is far more likely that it was an isolated incident caused by something other than ESP powers.

While I think these are interesting subjects and there is a possiblity that some of these things exist, any report of such things should be taken with a grain of salt.

i don't have any official links but it was NEVER proven... it was proven that we only use 10% of our brain power... but it was never proven that the other 90% really has psychic powers

LOL

No it was not proven that we only use 10% of our brain power. That is a myth that has for some reason been taken for fact. It is an utterly baseless misconception that has no evidence to back it up. If you don't believe me here's few links I just googled for you:

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html
http://www.csicop.org/si/9903/ten-percent-myth.html

 

[jabberwock95]

Originally posted by thehunter1320
i don't have any official links but it was NEVER proven... it was proven that we only use 10% of our brain power... but it was never proven that the other 90% really has psychic powers

Sorry to disenhearten you but that's a common misquote, possibly from Albert Einstien. The actual meaning is we only use 10% of our brains at any one time. All in all, we use all our brains. Try this website for a more detailed explanation.

As for telekenesis, it hasn't been proven, but neither has it been explained (Said like a true conspiricy theorist). As far as i'm concerned, anyone who believes in telekenesis please raise my hand. :cheese:

Edit: Neutrino, you beat me to it. Great minds think alike. :cheers:

 

[Neutrino]

The actual meaning is we only use 10% of our brains at any one time.

While you are right about the 10% brain use theory being a myth, the theory that we only use 10% at any one time is also not clearly proven or even a real theory.

Edit: Neutrino, you beat me to it. Great minds think alike.

Heh, we must be using 11% of our brains huh? hehe

 

[Maskirovka]

Originally posted by pHATE1982
if it was really proven beyond all doubt, surley it would be known as a common fact and you wouldn't be asking this question?

yeah...he's arguing about some crap study in the 20's...

if it was really proven, then it would be common knowledge because proving that kind of thing is a big enough deal that everyone would be interested.

there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to support these types of "powers" but none have been scientifically proven, or like pHATE was trying to say...it'd be part of our society.

let's hear his argument for why it's been covered up or whatever...why only he knows about it...like it's some secret

 

[Lil' Timmy]

would one of you jackasses please stop lifting my hand.. jaberwock was the one who said that not me!

 

[jabberwock95]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
would one of you jackasses please stop lifting my hand.. jaberwock was the one who said that not me!

Ahem...

Jabberwock95 accepts no responsibility for any illegal, strange or otherwise indecent acts performed by a person or persons either under telekenesis or under the misconception of telekenesis, no matter what part the aforementioned jabberwock95's crap joke played in the planning and/or carrying out of said acts. If you believe this to be in error, I jabberwock95 would like to refer you to the fact that NOBODY CARES, and that any and all accusations are fictitious, even if they are a pathetic half-hearted attempt at humor.

Not my fault!

 

[D33]

Telepathy has been proven and can usually be witnessed between twins. It's only at a very basic level though. It's more sensing thoughts than reading them.

Telekinesis has been researched and I imagine ( in my personal opinion ) there's people with it but as most others have said, never, ever, proven.

 

[The Dark Elf]

Originally posted by Lil' Timmy
would one of you jackasses please stop lifting my hand

lifting your hand? damnit I was trying to make you touch Maskirovka

 

[Lil' Timmy]

Originally posted by D33
Telepathy has been proven and can usually be witnessed between twins.

could you kindly provide a source for this statement? what's the original experiment that 'proved' telepathy?

 

[D33]

Off hand, no I couldn't but this should get you started. http://www.google.com . There is no "one test" that's proved it, nor did I say there was. There have been multiple documentaries that have covered basic and indepth tests between twins and the fact they can, at a basic level, sense emotions ( and in very rare cases - thoughts ) from their counterpart.

I've watched studies into it, read studies devoted to it, browesed websites covering it, etc, etc which would confirm what I'm saying but they've been lost in time. As I said, spend about an hour on google and I'm sure you'll find them but I'm not going to do it for you.

It seems to me as if many people here already have their mind made up that neither exist so I'm not going to try and prove to them otherwise by digging around for the research.

 

[Fender357]

This guys's done alot of research on it. http://jackhouck.com/

Was an engineer for Boing for like 40 years. Advised the US goverment on their remot viewing projects........stuf like that.

But yeah....no official institute has considered it "true". But then again they never wanted to touch on the idea officialy.

Some of the stupidest ideas turn out to be true. No one(scientists') thought black holes could possibly exist. But hey.........now we've got pictures

 

[Brian Damage]

Lil' Timmy, I'm willing you to go jump in the nearest lake...



I think a lot of the time the reason results can't be verified is because the people participating in the experiments lose their confidence and cannot repeat the feat. But that's just me.

I also think that if you were into it enough, you could eventually train yourself to at least lift small things, like rice grains.

 

[The Mullinator]

Well I found an article that provided me with all the information I wanted, thanks anyway guys.

http://skepdic.com/parapsy.html

 

[D33]

A Skeptic website? Yeah, very unbiased

 

[FictiousWill]

Telykinesis, har har har! Ohmmmm!

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Will, i never expected that reaction from u (especially considering ur name lol).. im disappointed

 

[mchammer75040]

Dont know if anyone has said this cause i didnt care to read what these guys put up...but the government spent 25 million dollars(your tax money ofcourse so like i say **** them) researching psychic powers, remote viewing..etc in the 70s. And they couldnt find anything that was remotely usuable, so they have put up a reward for 1 million dollars saying that if you can prove that you have remote viewing or psychic powers of any kind you win the money, this was started 22 years and since then not one person has come forth and won the money. Not to mention that they lead police on wild goose chases when they are hired to help find missing people. I wouldnt call them pychic more like con-artists.:flame:

 

[Solidarnosi]

This reminds me of the misconception of "subliminal advertising." One study done in the 1970's, which by the way the scientists found *no* evidence of S.A. working, and the media grabbed hold of it - and won't let go.

It is now in the common pool of beliefs of the average idiot that S.A. actually does work.

Same thing with psychic powers. There is no scientific nor quasi-scientific study showing any statistical variations in "paranormal" powers of any person, living or dead.

But really, I gave up on the human race a long time ago. Polls of average Americans show that over 50% believe in ghosts, etc. That means, for me, that every other person I meet believes in such crap. Very depressing every time I think about it. Time for another beer. Soli out.

 

[D33]

Yeah because, closed minded people like yourself have made so many advances in science and technology

Oh wait, I tell a lie. :dozey:

 

[Solidarnosi]

I'll be happy to see any of your photos of ghosts, or any anectdotes re: people that just *had* to have a Coke after having a single advertising frame flashed in front of their face for a 250th of a second during cinema previews. Good luck finding any scientific evidence of either.

Yes, better men than I have already advanced this study way past the line where common sense would dictate stopping.

My mind is wide open, btw; that is why I don't blindly believe what everyone else believes, but instead do my own research, and with the help of science come to my own conclusions. As for what I've done for humanity, I'd say that 15 years working as a Registered Nurse has done at least some good - I'm no saint, I won't take such a ridiculous, ignorant insult lying down. Coming from a forum mod, all I can say is that I hope at least some of your peers will be disappointed.

 

[mchammer75040]

OH SNAP

 

[Solidarnosi]

Originally posted by mchammer75040
OH SNAP

For the past two hours I've been on the phone with my wife, who has our 6 week old baby in the emergency room - high fever, bloodwork being done, about to do a lumbar puncture.

I've got more important things on my mind. Piss on you & company.

 

[Arno]

Originally posted by D33
Yeah because, closed minded people like yourself have made so many advances in science and technology

You claimed your believes as facts and ignored a website that stated the opposite. I conclude that you're the one that's closed minded.

At least Solidarnosi is open for any evidence provided, but you already have your mind set. :dozey:

 

[AmishSlayer]

I bet humans can do more than we know...maybe...we have the ability of flight...that's levitation homes...how about the power to kill a yak...from 200 yards away? That's telekinesis Kyle...

....

I feel creepy seeing the baby Olsen twins and thinking... god they are hot...errr...in present day anyways...

GAH!!

Damn you Full House!

 

[mchammer75040]

Originally posted by Solidarnosi
For the past two hours I've been on the phone with my wife, who has our 6 week old baby in the emergency room - high fever, bloodwork being done, about to do a lumbar puncture.

I've got more important things on my mind. Piss on you & company.

uhhh wtf....sorry about your kid but dont bitch me out.

 

[D33]

Originally posted by Arno
You claimed your believes as facts and ignored a website that stated the opposite. I conclude that you're the one that's closed minded.

At least Solidarnosi is open for any evidence provided, but you already have your mind set. :dozey:

There are websites for and against. If you bothered to read my post, which you obviously did not, you'd see that I said I have seen and read basic and indepth studies into it, I've seen twins read each others emotions and I know for a fact the proof is out there, on a website, right next to the skeptical websites who state it doesn't exist.

I really do suggest that you read what I say before trying to use it against me.

 

[D33]

Originally posted by Solidarnosi
I'll be happy to see any of your photos of ghosts, or any anectdotes re: people that just *had* to have a Coke after having a single advertising frame flashed in front of their face for a 250th of a second during cinema previews. Good luck finding any scientific evidence of either.

You might want to check out a few university's studies into ghostly phenomenon then. There are a good few professors who could probably give you a run for your money

 

[Arno]

Originally posted by D33
I know for a fact the proof is out there, on a website, right next to the skeptical websites who state it doesn't exist.

I really do suggest that you read what I say before trying to use it against me.

I did read all your posts, but there was no proof to be found there. You suggested to "Google for about an hour". You can't debate like that. How is someone supposed to know what specific website you meant? Nobody can comment or question your proof, because you didn't specificy the proof. And then you claim this unknown proof should be taken as a fact.

You can't blame people for questioning the validity or existence of "proof" when you're the only one who saw it.

 

[Brian Damage]

Originally posted by AmishSlayer
I bet humans can do more than we know...maybe...we have the ability of flight...that's levitation homes...how about the power to kill a yak...from 200 yards away? That's telekinesis Kyle...

Levitation would probably be telekinesis, too. Just on yourself.

Killing a yak could also be done by convincing it, mind to mind, that it was dead. Or sending it scary mental pictures (perhaps of McDonalds burgers). Telekinetically, I suppose you could stop its heart, but there are more subtle ways to do it...

Telekinesis still rocks, though.:E

 

[D33]

Originally posted by Arno
I did read all your posts, but there was no proof to be found there. You suggested to "Google for about an hour". You can't debate like that. How is someone supposed to know what specific website you meant? Nobody can comment or question your proof, because you didn't specificy the proof. And then you claim this unknown proof should be taken as a fact.

You can't blame people for questioning the validity or existence of "proof" when you're the only one who saw it.

Fair play but I do not intend to spend hours finding websites I read over a year ago just to prove my point of view.

If you guys don't want to believe me then don't but I know what I saw and I'm more than comfortable saying so

 

[Arno]

Originally posted by D33
Fair play but I do not intend to spend hours finding websites I read over a year ago just to prove my point of view.

If you guys don't want to believe me then don't but I know what I saw and I'm more than comfortable saying so

Fair enough. :cheers:

 

[The Mullinator]

Originally posted by D33
A Skeptic website? Yeah, very unbiased

Keep in mind i'm only trying to show that the general science community doesn't believe it. Not whether such powers do in fact exist.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

About the whole twins issue...

I've had a theory that because twin individuals share some of the same genetic coding (especially the coding that allows their brains to function and react as they do) that they're bodies have the ability to communicate whats happening to they other simply due to their genetic link or simularity--or based off coincidence they feel the same way at the same time because they are one and the same by code. [So the programming of the body, say your a believer of genetic fate, was intended at that moment, to feel depressed or happy--and because that same coding was copied into another form that they other host feels the same because technically, it is the same at that moment due to the coding.]

Its really hard to debate, but there was an actual study that said twins, or duplicate bodies, have the ability to communicate or mimic they exact composite reactions that occur in its host, simply because the programming is the same, and those two are still one in the same people.

Its also been debated wether or not, a doppleganger, or spirit of control, could also be enacted onto a non-living bio-organism, that is, if its a clone of something else that had no previous thoughts alongside of its genetic carrier (The host for the clone).

The other theory of doppleganger, beside it being an evil spirit, is said to be another part of the body controlling the action--based on where that clone believes its the actual host, and feels naturally endangered to have someone, one and the same along with it, being able to compete physically, mentally, or sexually with the other.

This reaction is theorized as being the PA reaction, were another body of instinctive control rules over another, and tries to maintain dominance through the primitive means of murder and no ideal subject to being of consequence by our social law mandates.

 

[Ti133700N]

There is something I don't understand. If we use 100% of our brain, how can we explain the huge step between where we were born and when we are like... 40 years old? Or does it means that when we have reached complete mental maturity, we are using 100% of our brain? Or does the HUGE improvement between when we are born and when we are adult is like a 0.001% increase? Anyway, we know that we don't have the same IQ so does it mean that some people are using more of their brain? or is it again just a 0.001%. Or maybe we all use our brain the same 100% but we don't use it the same way... like some people could use it in a more usefull way. ??

I need answers, can't reach the source, we are all gonna die! omg ! lol

 

[mchammer75040]

Originally posted by Ti133700N
There is something I don't understand. If we use 100% of our brain, how can we explain the huge step between where we were born and when we are like... 40 years old? Or does it means that when we have reached complete mental maturity, we are using 100% of our brain? Or does the HUGE improvement between when we are born and when we are adult is like a 0.001% increase? Anyway, we know that we don't have the same IQ so does it mean that some people are using more of their brain? or is it again just a 0.001%. Or maybe we all use our brain the same 100% but we don't use it the same way... like some people could use it in a more usefull way. ??

I need answers, can't reach the source, we are all gonna die! omg ! lol

Well the brain is like a muscle, i know of a guy who has stayed mentally fit into his 80s and has never had any mental problems that old age is always related too. My grandma on the other hand is 60, she barely reads just sits and watchs tv and has all sorts of problems like altimers (SP?). How do you keep yourself "mentally fit"? Read, teach yourself new skills, practice academics...etc. if you dont use it youll lose it, hope that helped.
:cheers:

 

[king John I]

ghosts, toasts...



mmm, toast.