Independence Day vs. World of Wars ending

[Saturos]

Just a thought, but which ending do you guys think would be the more accurate outcome of an invasion vs. humans, a race that is likely around 20,000 years old, to a super advanced alien race that is probably billions of years old. I've been hearing arguments that the World of the Wars ending is more accurate, meaning that the only chance that humans have at winning would be if it was a miracle, or a fluke with a ratio of something like 1/1 billionth, due to the super sophisticated technology of an alien race that has the capability to travel million of light years.(Imagine how sophisticated and devastating their weapons would be! Almost to the level of omnipotence.)The counter arguments of pro-human science is that their technology is probably based on similar laws of physics. They fail to take in to consideration of how so little we still know. We are still a very young race compared to some civilizations out there. There are probably still thousands of elements and materials that we have yet to discovered, as well as principles, laws, and ideas we don't know exist yet. Needless to say, some skeptics believe that an outcome like Independence Day, or even Half-Life, hardly fits the bill.(Well, there is the Seven-Hour War in Half-Life, that would likely appease them better. Then again, the human scientists in HL mastered local teleportation before even the Combine. Thanks to reverse engineering, might I add. Thanks for that observation Acepilot!) What are some opinions on this argument? I wanna know!

 

[Acepilotf14]

It's not that we finished the teleporters first, just that the Combine hadn't really delved too much into it, and focused on galactic domination first. Each race delves into it's own technology, and all advance differently. Depending on the resources on the home planet, some may advance faster than others. Typically, if a highly advanced race found trouble on a small planet worth a dollar in their currency, why not just annhilate it? It seems like a bit of trouble to have to quell a rebellion. Doing this razing would show what this race would do to any who oppose them. [See: Roman Empire] The ONLY fluke imaginable to a star-spanning empire would be justified in War of the Worlds, where the alien race could not stand our diseases and died.

 

[Saturos]

It's not that we finished the teleporters first, just that the Combine hadn't really delved too much into it, and focused on galactic domination first. Each race delves into it's own technology, and all advance differently. Depending on the resources on the home planet, some may advance faster than others. Typically, if a highly advanced race found trouble on a small planet worth a dollar in their currency, why not just annhilate it? It seems like a bit of trouble to have to quell a rebellion. Doing this razing would show what this race would do to any who oppose them. [See: Roman Empire] The ONLY fluke imaginable to a star-spanning empire would be justified in War of the Worlds, where the alien race could not stand our diseases and died.

Good point, Ace. I'll buy that. Others?

 

[Dog--]

You do know we've got Chuck Norris, right?

 

[Acepilotf14]

Shit, I didn't put that factor in..

ea^6/C x Pi + 12 billion..
HOLY SHIT
WE WIN

 

[Saturos]

You do know we've got Chuck Norris, right?

Chuck Norris? Nooooo! Damn him and his pointy cowboy boots and Kung-fu ways! Well, that put an end to this thread!:x

 

[Gunner]

**** Chuck Norris, we have even better...

 

[Saturos]

**** Chuck Norris, we have even better...

Oh crap! Not Steven Seagal too! Dammit! now my thread's really finished! and double

 

[Dog--]

Ok, wanna play like that?

This man alone will kick all asses of aliens, including Segal's and Norris'

He's done it before, mofos.

 

[Gunner]

Arnold? cmon he almost lost a fight to this guy!

 

[Raziaar]

I think the aliens merely underestimated the capability of the humans in Independence Day. The humans also had Hollywood on their side, where their computer virus was able to transcend not just operating system differences, but a complete alien technology difference.

Also, since I believe the aliens underestimated the humans, they merely had a small invasion fleet. What we saw was nothing compared to the capabilities of that race.




Independence Day was won with the victory, then on the next day Earth got ****ed.

 

[Dog--]

Umm, you do know that in Independence Day, the fleet above & around earth was their entire civilization. The president says so when he sees the one aliens thoughts. He says 'They move from planet to planet, draining each one dry of it's resources, then move on. Like locusts.. Their entire civilization..' or something along those lines. But I know he says that it's their entire civilization.


@Gunner - He can't be too bad, though. The dude is wearing chain-mail!

 

[Saturos]

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[Raziaar]

Umm, you do know that in Independence Day, the fleet above & around earth was their entire civilization. The president says so when he sees the one aliens thoughts. He says 'They move from planet to planet, draining each one dry of it's resources, then move on. Like locusts.. Their entire civilization..' or something along those lines. But I know he says that it's their entire civilization.


@Gunner - He can't be too bad, though. The dude is wearing chain-mail!

Entire civilization?

Wow... what a sucky civilization to put all their eggs in one basket and succumb to a measly earth computer virus.

That thought makes me mad at the movie.

 

[The Monkey]

Arnold? cmon he almost lost a fight to this guy!

Arnie only had one arm when he fought that guy, and he defeated him.

 

[lePobz]

Is World of Wars like War of the Worlds?

 

[CptStern]

ok no one ever mention Chuck norris again for the love of all that's holy ...the man is now a fundamentalist christian looney ..he does karate for the Lord now so unless you're going to say somnething like "Chuck Norris is a looney who wants schools to teach creationism" shut up :E



oh and war of the worlds and especially Independence day are idiotic ..why would an alien race travel millions of light years just to obliterate us? ..and wouldnt they have researched whether or not music makes their heads explode or the common cold will make them shrivel up and die before they attack?


mars attacks is the most realistic (without the stupid ending) ..we're all dead, end of story

 

[The Monkey]

I don't know what "World of Wars" is, but I'll assume you'tr referring to "The War of the Worlds".

The aliens there are from Mars, so they haven't exactly travelled "million of light years".

 

[Gunner]

Did you guys ever read that article Norris wrote about all the "Chuck Norris is so tough" jokes? it's mind boggling.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52567

Arnie only had one arm when he fought that guy, and he defeated him.

Yes, but he almost lost to the gayest villain of the eighties.

 

[CptStern]

ya where he says the toughest guy is not Chuck Norris or Steven Segal ..it's jesus


I remember rolling my eyes and stifling a girlish giggle

 

[MiccyNarc]

I don't know what "World of Wars" is, but I'll assume you'tr referring to "The War of the Worlds".

The aliens there are from Mars, so they haven't exactly travelled "million of light years".

Yeah, in Well's novel, all they had was a bunch of giant cannons and luck to get themselves here.

 

[CptStern]

I don't know what "World of Wars" is, but I'll assume you'tr referring to "The War of the Worlds".

The aliens there are from Mars, so they haven't exactly travelled "million of light years".

independence day

 

[The Monkey]

independence day

I was referring to the original post.

 

[Remus]

Both endings were stupid.

Also in real life I'm reasonably sure there will be in the future a reverse war of the worlds scenario. Earth like planet is found, plenty of resources, only problem it's inhabited. Natives don't want to give resources and try to fight back, we kill them and take the resources anyway. that's the way I see "first contact" happening

 

[jverne]

hehe...i love this kind of conversations.

of course we'd won...we have Jesus and they have what? some lousy annihilation weapons and hyper light travel systems.


ok seriously...if an advanced race wanted to destroy us we'd be dead before realizing what is going on.

a race that has that technology is probably able to think in ways we can't even imagine.

so...i guess for traveling at light speed you need enormous quantities of energy. humans today theoretically can make a 1000 megatonne bomb, which is quite puny compared to the potential energy of antimatter technology. so there is no reason the aliens wouldn't know such technology. lets presume they at least have 10000 megatonne energy weapons. some of these placed strategically around the world would probably cause earth to become the next venus or even worse.

i'm sorry if i didn't post some scientific proof of my claims, but i'm just speculating based on observations. i probably could calculate an estimate but i'm too lazy and the benefit is small.

 

[theotherguy]

If an interstellar civilization made contact with us tommorow, they probably wouldn't care about us, the same way that an average person doesn't stop on the side of a highway just to crush a colony of ants, let alone make friends with them.

Our best and only hope of contacting an alien race will be if there is actually one out there (unlikely) and that the race is about the same or slightly higher or lower technology level than us (even more unlikely).

So its either going to be listening to some distant, cryptic radio broadcasts or nothing at all, sorry.

 

[Acepilotf14]

I made friends with ants once.
They shot me.

 

[Narvi]

Hey, Wells' story made sense at the time. We can't make mass drivers of the scale the Martians had. Germs were a pretty new funky thing at the time for Wells, so he just included it as a plot mechanic.

Oh, and if it makes you feel better, remember that the giant moon-sized mothership they just blew up? It was in earth orbit. Recall the fireworks comment at the end? That was the last thing they said before all life on earth was destroyed by hundreds of thousands of tons of shattered alien mothership.

 

[15357]

If we ever see an alien starship in our system, we need to blow it away with thermonuclear weapons before it ever has a chance to communicate with its homeworld and send our location to it.

And, you know, when we reach the level of interstellar transportation, we should not tolerate any nonhumans.

Just a thought.


Aw, it'd be awesome to make first contact with aliens...

Another thought: The aliens might resemble us, perhaps? Because we're kind of the evolutionary pinnacle of earth, and maybe aliens had evolved the same way?

 

[Sulkdodds]

Oh, and if it makes you feel better, remember that the giant moon-sized mothership they just blew up? It was in earth orbit. Recall the fireworks comment at the end? That was the last thing they said before all life on earth was destroyed by hundreds of thousands of tons of shattered alien mothership.

Most of it would burn up in the atmosphere, I think.

But they nuked the ship, so much of the debris would be radioactive.

Oops?

 

[Ennui]

We would get completely annihilated. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

 

[Saturos]

If an interstellar civilization made contact with us tommorow, they probably wouldn't care about us, the same way that an average person doesn't stop on the side of a highway just to crush a colony of ants, let alone make friends with them.

Our best and only hope of contacting an alien race will be if there is actually one out there (unlikely) and that the race is about the same or slightly higher or lower technology level than us (even more unlikely).

So its either going to be listening to some distant, cryptic radio broadcasts or nothing at all, sorry.

Yes to the first, No to the second,(one would have to be arrogant to believe we are the only race out there, in my opinion) and yes to the third, ONLY if SETI doesn't waste my tax dollars on said cryptic radio broadcasts. P.S. I believe there are aliens, just not the UFO's and aliens propaganda the media's been spinning out lately. (i.e. The Greys with big heads and eyes.)