Insurgents blow up School -- I was going to post the video -- its bad .. but ...

[K e r b e r o s]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6874656/

The moderators would'nt like it if I posted the video -- plus, none of you'd watch it anyways. So, here's an MSNBC snippet. More to come later.

 

[oberGeist]

at first I thought they blew up school full of children...
thank God it wasn't

we still have to wait for the elections - i fear that it may turn into one big gorefest. there's no way the allies can control and secure all polling centers.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Exactly.

 

[burner69]

Didn't I just read a thread of yours with a link to a guy saying Iraq was fine, media was over exageratting the situation etc etc.

I'd hate to be in Iraq now. I truely hope they sort things out after this mess, though I am sick of this "carry on regardless attitude" which is pi**ing off the terrorists, resulting in deaths. But of course we can't let the terrorists win, even if it involves a few deaths on the way.

The election's BS anyway - just watch Allowai (sp?) win. It's cack.

 

[CptStern]

america you created this situation, you fix it

allawi's party is made up of former Iraqi National Accord terrorists funded by the cia ..ya they have a pretty good chance of "winning" the election.

there's no way of securing the election much less ensuring that there wont be any fraud or voter tampering ..many international groups watching the elections are not even in iraq, they watch from neighbouring countries such as Jordan or Kuwait ..too dangerous

 

[satch919]

From what I've read, we are letting Iraqi forces be the security for election day. On the other side of that coin though, I read an article on MSNBC.com saying that a four star general stated that they(Iraqi police/forces) weren't ready to handle the insurgents. I looked for a link on it but i couldn't find one. It was up late last night. The insurgents have been executing them in public. They've had 2 beheadings in public and numerous shootings.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Didn't I just read a thread of yours with a link to a guy saying Iraq was fine, media was over exageratting the situation etc etc.

No, you did'nt read it. You said, that you got through half of it -- then guessed what the article was about. So, no, you did'nt read it.

It was about a media bias -- he even states that amungst the bloodshed, still, no good is ever reported. Not your "guessing interpretation".

 

[K e r b e r o s]

allawi's party is made up of former Iraqi National Accord terrorists funded by the cia ..ya they have a pretty good chance of "winning" the election.

Source ... ?

 

[CptStern]

oh come on how many times do I have to point this out? in the last few days I must have posted that information a dozen times ..do the research yourself. Here's a starting point here's some more

 

[K e r b e r o s]

No, you have'nt -- but thanks for trying to dodge. As for, someone like yourself that has all the facts about the topic I've requested information -- is it that difficult for you to post or find sources?

Or, is it because they'res not many of them?

 

[CptStern]

No, you have'nt -- but thanks for trying to dodge. As for, someone like yourself that has all the facts about the topic I've requested information -- is it that difficult for you to post or find sources?

Or, is it because they'res not many of them?

no because you dont take the time to do it yourself ..and I have posted it a dozen times in the last week or so ..you just havent been paying attention

I'm not dodging the issue ..if you bothered to read the links I gave you'd see that it says exactly what I said

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Allawi, before his 1976 resignation from the Baath Party, "was in charge of all Baath Party organizations in Europe." Following his resignation, "Hussein tried to lure him back with threats and bribes. When he refused and subsequently struck up a relationship with the British intelligence service (MI6), he was reportedly placed on a liquidation list by Hussein." [5] (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62691-2004May28_2.html) [6] (http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/image/0,8543,-11504645647,00.html)

From your first link -- this still does'nt make him a terrorist; oh, but what does?

The Iraqi National Accord (INA) (referred to in Arabic as the Wifaq) was, according to its charter, "established in 1990 to achieve a democratic pluralistic regime that respects human rights and lives peacefully with its citizens, neighbors and the whole world. (I.N.A) advocates the removal of Saddam's regime." --[1] (http://www.wifaq.com/intro_english.html).

From your second, about the Iraqi national accord. Thank you.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

no because you dont take the time to do it yourself ..and I have posted it a dozen times in the last week or so ..you just havent been paying attention

I've responded, have I not? In the last week, this is the first time you have given me information about what I requested directly. Other links that you site about Allawi, say he was a rebeller against Saddams regime, and was even tortured/attacked because of it.

How does this make him a terrorist?

As for the Iraqi National Accord, I've found my information thanks to you. But it does'nt cut it for your perspectives.

 

[CptStern]

did you somehow miss the very first paragraph?

"Iyad Allawi, now the designated prime minister of Iraq, ran an exile organization intent on deposing Saddam Hussein that sent agents into Baghdad in the early 1990's to plant bombs and sabotage government facilities under the direction of the C.I.A., several former intelligence officials say."


please explain to me how this is NOT terrorism

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Perspective.

 

[CptStern]

why do waste my time with you? seriously? dammit give me a whole platoon of military men to debate, I'd prefer that to this

 

[Tr0n]

why do waste my time with you? seriously? dammit give me a whole platoon of military men to debate, I'd prefer that to this

Hell...why do you waste your time debating politics in general?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

why do waste my time with you? seriously? dammit give me a whole platoon of military men to debate, I'd prefer that to this

What, you dont believe me? Terrorists believe were terrorists, we believe the terrorists are terrorists.

Is that not perspective?

. Other links that you site about Allawi, say he was a rebeller against Saddams regime, and was even tortured/attacked because of it.

How does this make him a terrorist?

Oh yea, I also asked you this question before you asked me one. Care to answer both of mine now? Or, are you just going to be rude and not answer?

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: I give you answers and you ignore them, I give you proof and you sidestep it ..seriously kerberos ..you present no challenge, dont waste my time any further than you already have ..you're barely legible never mind the fact that you ignore everything I say ..but you're right in one aspect ..I wont be answering

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I give you answers and you ignore them, I give you proof and you sidestep it ..seriously kerberos ..you present no challenge, dont waste my time any further than you already have ..you're barely legible never mind the fact that you ignore everything I say ..but you're right in one aspect ..I wont be answering

You can leave my debate at your own leisure. Nothing is stopping you. However, is this all your going to state about the topic?

 

[CptStern]

take a child to a debate and you'd think you'd be able to predict the results

 

[K e r b e r o s]

So ... is this debate over?

So, now its concluded then? This thread was for a good read, and brought up some substantial points.

Well, for those of you who just drift in here, you have the option of both reading and commenting. As far as contributing my opinions further, nothing else substantial about the topic has continued.

 

[CptStern]

funny how you changed your infantile post after I had submitted mine

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yes, because I actually felt sorry for what I stated ...