International women's day

[The Monkey]

Today is the international women's day, where we're to think about all the women in the world that is oppressed. What do you think should be done to increase the equality between men and women?

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[kmack]

Today is the international women's day, where we're to think about all the women in the world that is oppressed. What do you think should be done to increase the equality between men and women?

PS, check google out: www.google.com

I think we (the U.S.) are on the right track as far as womens equality goes, and our effect in the Middle East might help their situation in places they are oppressed.

When is international Mens day?

 

[Razor]

I think we (the U.S.) are on the right track as far as womens equality goes, and our effect in the Middle East might help their situation in places they are oppressed.

When is international Mens day?

I don't think we get one, so much for equality.

 

[kmack]

I don't think we get one, so much for equality.

hahaha, well put

 

[The Monkey]

When is international Mens day?

The other 364 days of the year.

 

[gh0st]

The west? Pay them more.

The middle east? Conquer and liberate.

 

[Calanen]

The west? Pay them more.

The middle east? Conquer and liberate.

When I was at university, I did Economics at Sydney Univeristy. I did the Poltical Economy Class (majored in it in fact) which is the left wing economic class. I did it because it was easier than mainstream economics, and I hoped doing an easier course would mean I could get into Law School. Plan worked btw.

In any event, you got to hear the rants and raves from Liberals, Communists, Socialists, the Left Alliance a lot in the course room. One time there were a group of, ahem, lets just call them, Women Activists, addressing the plight of women in the Third World, especially India and Pakistan to the lecture hall.

Unfortunately for them, a sari clad Indian woman got up and convincingly lectured them all about what the hell did they know about her and her country? You rich know it alls lecture me about whats best for my country? Who are you to say? Have you even been to India?

The women's activists countered by saying that she had been brainwashed by the men of India. In any event, I thought there was going to be some World Federation wrestling going on when the lecturer intervened to avoid a confrontation.

But its a good point - we as Westerners can say, wearing whatver clothes or these customs are abhorent to us (and no Im not talking about torture here.....) but some stuff has to remain in house for other countries to decide.

But certainly, women are going to be able to do more and say more in the Middle East (as is everyone) if there are not despotic tyrants in power. That said, Iraq was pretty good in its record of women being involved in powerful positions in the Baath party, Saddam had a few top women around near him. This continues today, in that women are still able to pursue political goals in Iraq.

Who is not so good is Saudi Arabia, and even Turkey which we viewed on TV recently beating the bejesus (or should that be, the bemohammad?) out of some women's rights protestors. Saudi Arabian women, last I heard are not even allowed to drive.

 

[KoreBolteR]

middle eastern women are totally ruled by men.


as the western woman, has power, and i love it.. heh.

 

[gh0st]

Who is not so good is Saudi Arabia, and even Turkey which we viewed on TV recently beating the bejesus (or should that be, the bemohammad?) out of some women's rights protestors. Saudi Arabian women, last I heard are not even allowed to drive.

What I'm talking about are central asian countries like Afghanistan, who as a direct result of our intervention now enjoy much greater rights (including going to school) as well as the countries you listed, who are in desperate need of improvement, and should improve immediatly. I'm talking about the regimes who purposely repress woman (or men, doesnt matter), but women to a greater extent. Saddam may have been reasonable to women, but he certainly wasent reasonable to the rest of his people.

But its a good point - we as Westerners can say, wearing whatver clothes or these customs are abhorent to us (and no Im not talking about torture here.....) but some stuff has to remain in house for other countries to decide.

Dont care about what clothes they wear, what skin color they are, what language they speak. Thats up for them to decide. Its been decided by the world that both sexes should enjoy the same rights - only in the more successful and wealthy countries do you see grant both equal rights. The poorer ones need to as well, you cannot blame beating the shit out of somebody on customs.

 

[The Monkey]

The west is not perfect either...How many percent os the US' Senate and House is women?

EDIT: Here's a list over women in the goverment: http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/indic/indic_258_2_1.html
and here's one over the women in the women in the parliamnet: http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/indic/indic_230_2_1.html (14% Damn!)

 

[bliink]

I don't think we get one, so much for equality.

International Men's Day is November 19th.
International Men's Month is June

Happy?

 

[Calanen]

On international Women's Day - in the parliament, a Labor member shouted out to one of the Ministers Dee Ann Kelly,

'I suppose a rort's out of the question then.' which is a slight twist on the Aussie slang, 'I suppose a root's out of the question then'. Which means, I suppose a french connection united kingdom is out of the question. Needless to say, there was outrage! I don't think it was a big deal, and people shout all sorts of stuff around in Parliament.

In a similar situation, a leading Queens Counsel, said to another barrister, a woman, known to be particularly aggressive and humourless after she rejected his settlement offer ' I suppose a root's out of the question then...' Big big mistake. He was reported to the Bar Association, and was formally reprimanded. Man I would have told him that was a very bad idea. Btw - for whatever his sins, that QC is a really nice guy to work with. I think it was just him trying to inject some levity into a hostile discussion, and missing the mark by saying something inappropriate.

Also, I worked for a particular humourless feminazi. I came to see her one time when she was with another employee, and she said 'Right do you really need to see me?' And I said 'I need to see you no more than I usually do' meaning, its always urgent. She said, 'That was an inappropriate and sexist comment.' The other employee, in the room, was dumbfounded, and a woman also, and afterwards said, wtf was she smoking? She tried to make a complaint about me - but the other bosses also said, what are you smoking.... apparently I was trying to insinuate that I needed to see her with her clothes off or something equally ridiculous (which if you knew her, no1 needs to see tbh.)

But the point being, you have to be bloody careful with what you say to women in an office, AND always have a witness, AND never close the door to your office with a woman in it.

 

[Razor]

International Men's Day is November 19th.
International Men's Month is June

Happy?

I suppose so, but you didn't need to go a head and make a whole month for men as well, one day would of been fine Bliinky. The thing that pisses me off about women's rights activists is that they claim to be protesting for equal rights, but when faced with laws that actually favour women, they want no part of it, thus proving that women's rights activists are female shovanist pigs. Women's rights activists fight for women's rights only, not equal rights, the two are completely different. Another thing is the female professional tennis players wanting to earn as much as the men in the opens, but everytime someone turns round and tells them all that they earn more per set then the men do, quite a bit more mind you, they stick their noses up and act all snooty. If they want to earn as much as the men, then they should be playing for as long and as hard as the men i.e. 5 sets per game and the same amount of games per tournement.

 

[Razor]

On international Women's Day - in the parliament, a Labor member shouted out to one of the Ministers Dee Ann Kelly,

'I suppose a rort's out of the question then.' which is a slight twist on the Aussie slang, 'I suppose a root's out of the question then'. Which means, I suppose a french connection united kingdom is out of the question. Needless to say, there was outrage! I don't think it was a big deal, and people shout all sorts of stuff around in Parliament.

In a similar situation, a leading Queens Counsel, said to another barrister, a woman, known to be particularly aggressive and humourless after she rejected his settlement offer ' I suppose a root's out of the question then...' Big big mistake. He was reported to the Bar Association, and was formally reprimanded. Man I would have told him that was a very bad idea. Btw - for whatever his sins, that QC is a really nice guy to work with. I think it was just him trying to inject some levity into a hostile discussion, and missing the mark by saying something inappropriate.

Also, I worked for a particular humourless feminazi. I came to see her one time when she was with another employee, and she said 'Right do you really need to see me?' And I said 'I need to see you no more than I usually do' meaning, its always urgent. She said, 'That was an inappropriate and sexist comment.' The other employee, in the room, was dumbfounded, and a woman also, and afterwards said, wtf was she smoking? She tried to make a complaint about me - but the other bosses also said, what are you smoking.... apparently I was trying to insinuate that I needed to see her with her clothes off or something equally ridiculous (which if you knew her, no1 needs to see tbh.)

But the point being, you have to be bloody careful with what you say to women in an office, AND always have a witness, AND never close the door to your office with a woman in it.

Exactly, these women's rights activists are some evil, evil people, most of which probably have something irritating rammed up their *ahum*

 

[john121]

The west is not perfect either...How many percent os the US' Senate and House is women?

EDIT: Here's a list over women in the goverment: http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/indic/indic_258_2_1.html
and here's one over the women in the women in the parliamnet: http://hdr.undp.org/statistics/data/indic/indic_230_2_1.html (14% Damn!)

i think we should also consider how many women persue a career in politics as well. Just because there's only 14% in parliament doesn't mean that only 20% of the people running for offices were women as well. The same goes for racial equality in schools, if there's a 90% white community and the 10% of hispanics, blacks, asians, what have you choose to go to another school, does it make the school that's all white racist or ethincally un-diverse? no. it is the choice of the people who wish to go to school or choose to be in office.

 

[Nofuture]

The thing that pisses me off about women's rights activists is that they claim to be protesting for equal rights, but when faced with laws that actually favour women, they want no part of it, thus proving that women's rights activists are female shovanist pigs. Women's rights activists fight for women's rights only, not equal rights, the two are completely different.

Women usually have less rights than men; even if this isn’t law, this is so in reality. So I assume that women’s right activists want to bring women’s rights up to the level of the men’s rights to make rights of both equal. It is logical that women are interested in improving women’s rights if there is a disadvantage for women.

What laws do you mean which favour women?


Usually when an employer has to choose between a male and female candidate, he chooses a male one.
As I know, there is a guideline in Germany for application process for a job in public service. If two candidates have equal qualification, a female should be chosen.
With this guideline the principle "best person for the job" is kept and the discrimination of women is being improved. So I don’t think this guideline favours women. One could say it does, because at equal qualification a female should be chosen. But there is also an aspect of women being discriminated for many years, so it is more like an attempt for more representation of women in public service.
There is the same guideline for disabled too.

 

[Razor]

Women usually have less rights than men; even if this isn’t law, this is so in reality. So I assume that women’s right activists want to bring women’s rights up to the level of the men’s rights to make rights of both equal. It is logical that women are interested in improving women’s rights if there is a disadvantage for women.

What laws do you mean which favour women?


Usually when an employer has to choose between a male and female candidate, he chooses a male one.
As I know, there is a guideline in Germany for application process for a job in public service. If two candidates have equal qualification, a female should be chosen.
With this guideline the principle "best person for the job" is kept and the discrimination of women is being improved. So I don’t think this guideline favours women. One could say it does, because at equal qualification a female should be chosen. But there is also an aspect of women being discriminated for many years, so it is more like an attempt for more representation of women in public service.
There is the same guideline for disabled too.

Laws that deal with the family, especially interms of Divorce, favour women over men.

 

[The Monkey]

Laws that deal with the family, especially interms of Divorce, favour women over men.

Source?

Here, a party has proposed that there should be man-tax; higher income tax for men, beacause of all the violence against women, that is done by men. It seems weird though that all men should suffer beacause of the doings of a small percent of them.

 

[Razor]

Source?

Here, a party has proposed that there should be man-tax; higher income tax for men, beacause of all the violence against women, that is done by men. It seems weird though that all men should suffer beacause of the doings of a small percent of them.

I am not sure on Source, but there is a protest group in England that are very famous for fighting against the inequality, not sure on the arm.

A man tax? That would be sexual discrimination, and a percentage, even though quite a small one, of domestic violence in homes is women commiting it against men. What would you do if your wife battered you and tried to stab you, you fight back, she claims abuse, you can't tell anyone for fear of getting laughed at, etc.

 

[bliink]

I suppose so, but you didn't need to go a head and make a whole month for men as well, one day would of been fine Bliinky.

hehe.. I didn't make them up

 

[The Monkey]

I am not sure on Source, but there is a protest group in England that are very famous for fighting against the inequality, not sure on the arm.

A man tax? That would be sexual discrimination, and a percentage, even though quite a small one, of domestic violence in homes is women commiting it against men. What would you do if your wife battered you and tried to stab you, you fight back, she claims abuse, you can't tell anyone for fear of getting laughed at, etc.

Yeah, it's sick. Luckily, but the parliament wont approve it, I hope. But it is the women that has been oppressed in all times, and not the men. It's the women who got lower salary than men for the same work. Even if men's rights is ignored sometimes, it's still at the women that the most amount of work must be concentrated.

 

[The Mullinator]

Feminism today is slowly sinking to the point where it is no longer fighting for equality, but instead its fighting for woman to be better than men. I have had first hand experience with this and it isn't pleasant to have a woman claim to be a moderate feminist who tells you that men are the scourge of the earth and that women should rule the planet because men are now useless in reproduction and because woman are "naturally better then men".

 

[The Monkey]

Feminism today is slowly sinking to the point where it is no longer fighting for equality, but instead its fighting for woman to be better than men. I have had first had experience with this and it isn't pleasant to have a woman claim to be a moderate feminist who tells you that men are the scourge of the earth and that women should rule the planet because men are now useless in reproduction and because woman are "naturally better then men".

That's not true. Feminism (at least here) means equality between the sexes.

 

[kirovman]

Feminism today is slowly sinking to the point where it is no longer fighting for equality, but instead its fighting for woman to be better than men. I have had first had experience with this and it isn't pleasant to have a woman claim to be a moderate feminist who tells you that men are the scourge of the earth and that women should rule the planet because men are now useless in reproduction and because woman are "naturally better then men".

Talking to people like that is how wars get started :rolling:

I'm all for equal rights for everyone, and not treating people any differently in society because of differences, but those ultra-femanists are no better than the male chauvinists.

Or religious fanatics.

 

[The Mullinator]

That's not true. Feminism (at least here) means equality between the sexes.

Oh by definition yes it still means that. However it is through my personal experience that alot of women who claim to be feminists are really not fighting for equality anymore.

 

[Razor]

Talking to people like that is how wars get started :rolling:

I'm all for equal rights for everyone, and not treating people any differently in society because of differences, but those ultra-femanists are no better than the male chauvinists.

Or religious fanatics.

I totally agree, i do support equality for everyone, your job prospects should be based on education and past experience, not on skin colour or gender. But saying that, i would never support some of these feminists, as they care nothing for equal rights or equality.

hehe.. I didn't make them up

Oh, you can't do that?, ok :thumbs:

 

[GhostFox]

Feminism today is slowly sinking to the point where it is no longer fighting for equality, but instead its fighting for woman to be better than men

Slowly? Feminism stopped fighting for equality 20 years ago.

 

[john121]

one of the best movies i've seen that's for equality in women's right is G.I. Jane... a woman who will actually go through that for women's rights deserves a medal even if she wasn't going to make it through the SEALS program. Any women's rights activist who says men are useless should be shown this movie and then asked to do exactly what she went through, relying on her fellow man to show that she can do what men can do, and watch as the men start to respect her as a woman who can get the job done as good or even better than they can.