Interviews with Terrorists.

[lister]

The interview with the leader of Ansar Al-Islam Mullah Krekar in Norway Insight News TV

The video from the terrorist attack on the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem

Palestinian children brainwashed by the Palestinian authorities

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Many people would often like to forget about or brush aside Ansar Al-Islam when discussing the war. It cannot be, good video. Scary interview.

 

[hool10]

This just makes me so sad. So many biblical stories happen in the Middle East. Especially Palestein. As my mom always says, "their god Allah, is like ours. He's a loving and a peacefull god". So where do these terrorists get the idea that they must kill every person thats not their religion for Allah?! And they say its for like 20 billion virgins if they kill themselves for a terrorist attack thats their reward. No, your reward is being accepted by Allah not by going to hell or what your version of hell is. And they worry that the American youth is being exposed to violent video games, rofl! Terrorism just makes me so angry by the way they warp the idea of religion. It's almost like hitler youth. They train young kids to fight the world basically. We are literally creating the next apocalypse by ourselves. :frown: :frown: ;( (And btw if I have a warped idea of what your religion is by describing it, please say so. I wish to not stay ignorant. )

 

[baxter]

Lister,

What is it with you that you seem to bring up anti Muslim threads all the time?

Let me elaborate

The doll thread
The hanging of Homosexual thread
And now the interview with terrorist threat.


Far be it for me to even suggest you have an agenda but why don’t you just come out and say it.

Come on lister what is it with all these anti Muslim threads?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Baxter this is in no way anti-Muslim.

Anti Iranian government and anti Palestinian terrorists is in no way a bad thing.

The schoolchildren video would be a great post in the post about Hamas's children publication demanding the return of Seville. You should put it there also.

 

[baxter]

Come on don’t be so naïve, we all know where this is leading.

You know and I know the forces are gathering and this is simply a prelude to the invasion.

Call it propaganda, call it demonetisation, call it what ever you will but for goodness sake stop acting the innocent.

The soldiers are marching up the hill (read your presidents state of the Union address); do you really think that it won’t happen?

What better way to justify the invasion is there? Other than to feed the fear?

In six months time maybe I will be proved wrong………..I doubt it.

 

[CptStern]

Baxter this is in no way anti-Muslim.

Anti Iranian government and anti Palestinian terrorists is in no way a bad thing.

The schoolchildren video would be a great post in the post about Hamas's children publication demanding the return of Seville. You should put it there also.

you know rakurai, were you born in that part of the world I have no doubt you'd be one of those taking up arms

you share their mentality: get them before they get you ...too bad it was just the overly fertile imagination of those in power

 

[Lemonking]

lol Baxter, I can say the same thing about stern and his"anti america" threads

 

[CptStern]

you can try to prove it spicy tuna ..but of course you wont, because you never do

 

[baxter]

lol Baxter, I can say the same thing about stern and his"anti america" threads

Sorry have you actually got a point, if so please state it.

 

[Pajari]

Come on don’t be so naïve, we all know where this is leading.

You know and I know the forces are gathering and this is simply a prelude to the invasion.

Call it propaganda, call it demonetisation, call it what ever you will but for goodness sake stop acting the innocent.

The soldiers are marching up the hill (read your presidents state of the Union address); do you really think that it won’t happen?

What better way to justify the invasion is there? Other than to feed the fear?

In six months time maybe I will be proved wrong………..I doubt it.

Right. I think this thread was about radical Islam and religious motivation of the terrorists before you injected supposedly edgy theories that have been blindingly obvious for about five years.

Also, this would be anti-Islam if all Muslims believed this. But the terrorists are simply using the dominant instutution of Arabic society (religion) as a justification of their existence and a recruiting tool. In Russia before the Soviets, the terrorist parties used radical economic theories as a means for strirring up trouble and gaining recruits from the poor. In the American Colonies, the independence groups (they didn't do much terrorism, but the example stands) used Enlightenment ideas in the same capacity.

 

[Lemonking]

you 2 just dont get the point,stern likes to make threads about the US Goverment....most of the time.most of the time they are legitmate becuase he criteszises, what ever they do "wrong" (Iraq war for exsample).So basicly lister makes threads about Muslim terrorists what they do "wrong"....now Im sure you see where Im getting at.Stern is as much of anti american as lister is anti muslim.But the lives of you two seem so fixiated on politics that you cant grasp simple stuf anymore..its sad.
oh when you start whining about me being racsist and what not,you just prove my point.

good night.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I don't see the wrong in bring up what the terrorists are doing wrong, or what they claim etc. etc.

As they say, the people have a right to know. And as the people know, terror led theocracies=death.

 

[Gunner]

you 2 just dont get the point,stern likes to make threads about the US Goverment....most of the time.most of the time they are legitmate becuase he criteszises, what ever they do "wrong" (Iraq war for exsample).So basicly lister makes threads about Muslim terrorists what they do "wrong"....now Im sure you see where Im getting at.Stern is as much of anti american as lister is anti muslim.But the lives of you two seem so fixiated on politics that you cant grasp simple stuf anymore..its sad.
oh when you start whining about me being racsist and what not,you just prove my point.

good night.

Learn2spell, this incoherent gibberish hurts my brain. I won't even comment on the content, because nobody cares what you think.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Jesus Christ, Pajari is the most intelligent user I've seen post in the political forum. Ever.

 

[Ome_Vince]

It would be fun to see muslim demonstrations, cartoons or mocks dissing the extremists, rising up to protest against this kind of behavior...

It would be fun just for once to see a mass uprise like the one regarding the cartoons, but then anti-extremist and terrorist.

It would be fun to just for once see the islamic world step up and fight barbarism within its own nations and their thoughts.

Sure not even 1/3 of the islamic nations are radical. But looking at the damage the radical muslims inflict on the world's view vs the islam ( the polarisation ) it would be extremely healthy for the moderate islam to say it out loud and protest: "**** you hypocrits, stop using Allah for violance, and your freekin jihad! Maniacs are not tollerated in Islam!"

It would be fun to see a muslim country invade another muslim country because its commiting crimes against humanity, and/or against other religions...
What a wonderfull time that would be...

 

[Lemonking]

Learn2spell, this incoherent gibberish hurts my brain. I won't even comment on the content, because nobody cares what you think.

I wish you were on that bus.





:cheese:

 

[Gunner]

I wish you were on that bus.

F.O.A.D.

 

[Lemonking]

is that what your mother did?


get a life you will have to try better then that.

 

[VictimOfScience]

This thread is a great example of politics in general. One side is right and the other side is clearly wrong--end of story. Its this sort of polarization that is wreaking havoc on this world! The two-party system (in America at least) blows and this two-religion system we seem to be inching towards (though lately with leaps and bounds) apparently blows just as hard!

These "F.O.A.D."-type posts don't help either, just as humungous quote wars (like my recent one with the Sternest of the Stern) just prove nothing to either side and serve only to annoy not only the posters but the rest of the forum members as well. Its a sad state we're in...all of us. ;(

And if anything, this thread isn't anti-Muslim, its anti-terrorist.

 

[CptStern]

it doesnt have to be that way, we could have had a civil discussion but you let emotion get in the way

the problem quite often is that we dont debate facts but rather debate opinion

 

[VictimOfScience]

it doesnt have to be that way, we could have had a civil discussion but you let emotion get in the way

the problem quite often is that we dont debate facts but rather debate opinion

Its true, opinion/emotion gets in the way too much. These are issues that, for whatever reason, people feel extremely strongly about. Some of them affect us and we comment and others don't affect us and we still comment. Then those whom it did affect get angry at those whom it didn't affect because how can they say anything since it didn't affect them and they have no first-hand knowledge of the situation. Its all just piecemeal from what we find in our scouring of obscure political and oftentimes quite biased websites which are not devoid of their own opinion along with the "facts" presented as they see fit in order to further their argument or cause.

The problem is that facts can be looked at in innumerable ways given the point of view of the observer. Two reporters can provide tremendously different "facts" about events they witness firsthand, depending on which cause they favor (i.e. which network/party is paying their salary). And the internet only complicates things as there is so much more information to sift through from even less-reputable sources.

So it seems that its getting harder and harder to have a proper discussion about political topics these days, not only due to the polarization of the two sides: right and left. Moderation is the key to a long, happy, and healthy life and I think it holds true in politics as well. We desperately need someone in power who can help bridge the gap betwen left and right that has grown exponentially wide in the last few years thanks to questionable government policy, especially in the USA.

So yes, please posting the good and the bad. It all needs to be heard, as much as some of us may not like hearing ad nauseum. Hopefully we will all remember how this situation has made us feel come election day!

 

[CptStern]

I think it has very much to do with the right going on defensive mode since the iraq war ..In my lifetime I have never seen americans so polarized ..never have I heard an american say "you're either with us or against us" "if you dont support your country you're a traitor" before the war ..that just didnt happen, not in my lifetime. Now it seems to be rallying cry for those who would support "their" side at all cost no matter what the outcome no matter how strong the evidence

 

[15357]

I think it has very much to do with the right going on defensive mode since the iraq war ..In my lifetime I have never seen americans so polarized ..never have I heard an american say "you're either with us or against us" "if you dont support your country you're a traitor" before the war ..that just didnt happen, not in my lifetime. Now it seems to be rallying cry for those who would support "their" side at all cost no matter what the outcome no matter how strong the evidence

Everyone had the feeling, but it wasn't 'active'.

To invoke that kind of feeling they needed an enemy, one which they were scared of and would put fear for their lives into them.

But I'm getting off topic.

 

[VictimOfScience]

I think it has very much to do with the right going on defensive mode since the iraq war ..In my lifetime I have never seen americans so polarized ..never have I heard an american say "you're either with us or against us" "if you dont support your country you're a traitor" before the war ..that just didnt happen, not in my lifetime. Now it seems to be rallying cry for those who would support "their" side at all cost no matter what the outcome no matter how strong the evidence

Since it was such a sketchy move (going to war in Iraq), its only natural that they go one the defensive, knowing full well that the truth would make a lot of people upset. I saw a former presidential advisor on CNN this morning and he praised the Freedom of Information Act, but also commented that if this administration wants to try to heal the horribly negative appearance that they have cultivated lo these past few years, they are going to have be a lot more forthcoming and truthful and open about what they have been doing. Everyone in the world wants to know just what is going on with this terribly secret and apparently rather dishonest and greedy boys' club. He also asked what are the chances of a new policy of openness being adopted by the current administartion and everyone just laughed, though a little sadly, knowing full-well the answer.

 

[CptStern]

Since it was such a sketchy move (going to war in Iraq), its only natural that they go one the defensive, knowing full well that the truth would make a lot of people upset. I saw a former presidential advisor on CNN this morning and he praised the Freedom of Information Act, but also commented that if this administration wants to try to heal the horribly negative appearance that they have cultivated lo these past few years, they are going to have be a lot more forthcoming and truthful and open about what they have been doing. Everyone in the world wants to know just what is going on with this terribly secret and apparently rather dishonest and greedy boys' club. He also asked what are the chances of a new policy of openness being adopted by the current administartion and everyone just laughed, though a little sadly, knowing full-well the answer.

yes but this is an apologists stance. I see this even from democrats ..they're watering down the calculated lies in an attempt to downplay any wrong doing ..it is quite clear from the downingstreetmemos and official declassified US documents that the bush admin fixed evidence and lied to the american people from the very start which culminated in an invasion and occupation that has done nothing but done the exact opposite of what they said it would do ..that in itself should be enough grounds for impeachment but were that to happen heads would roll on both sides as congress was fully aware as early as 1992 that saddam didnt have wmd and didnt have the capability to produce them

 

[clarky003]

Sternzored I believe.

 

[Sheikah42]

It would be fun to see muslim demonstrations, cartoons or mocks dissing the extremists, rising up to protest against this kind of behavior...

It would be fun just for once to see a mass uprise like the one regarding the cartoons, but then anti-extremist and terrorist.

It would be fun to just for once see the islamic world step up and fight barbarism within its own nations and their thoughts.

Sure not even 1/3 of the islamic nations are radical. But looking at the damage the radical muslims inflict on the world's view vs the islam ( the polarisation ) it would be extremely healthy for the moderate islam to say it out loud and protest: "**** you hypocrits, stop using Allah for violance, and your freekin jihad! Maniacs are not tollerated in Islam!"

It would be fun to see a muslim country invade another muslim country because its commiting crimes against humanity, and/or against other religions...
What a wonderfull time that would be...

are you talking about the muslims in america?

because the muslims everywhere else in the world certainly can't do that without having their families throats cut...

i don't think anyone in this world (particularly the middle east) would care much for what american muslims have to say... which is why you hardly see muslims in america speaking their mind anymore

 

[VictimOfScience]

yes but this is an apologists stance. I see this even from democrats ..they're watering down the calculated lies in an attempt to downplay any wrong doing ..it is quite clear from the downingstreetmemos and official declassified US documents that the bush admin fixed evidence and lied to the american people from the very start which culminated in an invasion and occupation that has done nothing but done the exact opposite of what they said it would do ..that in itself should be enough grounds for impeachment but were that to happen heads would roll on both sides as congress was fully aware as early as 1992 that saddam didnt have wmd and didnt have the capability to produce them

No, no. Don't get me wrong, I completely believe as the rest of the world should, that there was a huge amount of wrongdoing that should indeed be grounds for impeachment! I don't deny that at all!

Ever since all of this information came out I have wondered what the hell was wrong with this country when impeachment is seriously considered for a president that lied about getting his knob polished when we have a president right now that lied about a country having WMDs so that we could invade and kill and die and control oil fields, etc! WHAT IS WRONG WITH US??? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MEDIA??? Everyone should be as outraged as I! Just another example of the prurient attitude this country demonstrates towards anything even remotely connected to sex while at the same time giving the impression that killing/violence is more acceptable than a blowjob. Its terribly frustrating that no one is seriously considering anything of the sort for this lunatic. Why isn't the liberal media saying anything like this just as they did for poor old Billy Boy? Ugh...what a bizarre and awful situation.

Sternzored I believe.

Kindly stay out of it Clarky. We're trying to have a serious conversation and you have to come along and be a kiddie. Just stop.

 

[CptStern]

I really dont have an answer for you ..I dont know why the dems dont stand up and demand impeachment ..the republicans went after clinton tooth and nail for years before lewinsky was finally discovered ..I even saw an interview with a few right wing journalists that said they hounded him, invented stories, even going so far as to accuse him of criminal activities, anything to show clinton in a negative light ...the only thing I can think of is that the dems knew saddam wasnt armed so as to not lose face they cant let that be known

btw when I said "apologist stance" ..I meant the presidential advisor not you

 

[VictimOfScience]

I really dont have an answer for you ..I dont know why the dems dont stand up and demand impeachment ..the republicans went after clinton tooth and nail for years before lewinsky was finally discovered ..I even saw an interview with a few right wing journalists that said they hounded him, invented stories, even going so far as to accuse him of criminal activities, anything to show clinton in a negative light ...the only thing I can think of is that the dems knew saddam wasnt armed so as to not lose face they cant let that be known

Ha! Probably best not to let that be known lest it ruin their "sure-thing" in '08. I can't think of another reason either. Strange....

btw when I said "apologist stance" ..I meant the presidential advisor not you

Heh, I wasn't entirely sure--I appreciate the clarification though. :cheers:

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I think it has very much to do with the right going on defensive mode since the iraq war ..In my lifetime I have never seen americans so polarized ..never have I heard an american say "you're either with us or against us" "if you dont support your country you're a traitor" before the war ..that just didnt happen, not in my lifetime. Now it seems to be rallying cry for those who would support "their" side at all cost no matter what the outcome no matter how strong the evidence

Then perhaps its time you know America is re-learning how to rally its wartime policies and politics. It will take sometime before America re-adapts itself to wartime situations, and thats something you should be patient for.

I agree, the beligerinism's coming out of this administration are shakey at the least, but again I stress patience. Either the next President will set us on track, or like I've starting doing in my own fact finding, the American people will set themselves on a track of their own.