Investigators: murders of 2 dozen iraqi civilians unjustified

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some of you might remember this thread

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102944&highlight=murder

investigators have now determined it is likely a case of murder

yahoo said:
Investigators believe that their criminal investigation into the deaths of about two dozen Iraqi civilians points toward a conclusion that Marines committed unprovoked murders, a senior defense official said Friday.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060526...CFX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

among the victems were women and children ..they were rounded up and herded into a room where they were shot ..at first they reported it was 11 victems ..but now they're saying it's double that. If this isnt buried/ignored by the media it could turn out to be as huge a scandal as abu-ghraib
 
it wont be burried, if FOX is already talking about it,then its to late for cover-up
I hope all Marines involved go to trial.
 
It's horrific. Bastards, complete bastards.
 
surely this should get more attention ..among the victems were children. Some of you must have some opinion on this disgusting act

where is everyone who defended the soldiers in the first thread I made on this topic?
 
Of COURSE it's unjustified.

Murder of innocents? Is there anyway it could be justified?
 
You can see why the insurgency has so much support when this kind of shit is going on.
 
I wonder if this has something to with what happened in Vietnam. They sent lots of young, inexperienced men who were mentally and emotionally ill-prepared for their jobs. Eventually, a lot of them just snapped and went berserk and did some truly despicable things. With so many young and unseasoned soldiers - not to mention guardsmen, who, by definition, aren't even full time soldiers - one has to wonder if it is happening all over again.
 
I think it's more than just that ..with 85% of soldiers still believing there's a connection between saddam and 9/11 there has to be some feelings of animosity towards iraqis

this isnt the first case nor is it the last
 
I'm amazed this has only gotten nine replies. This is something that can affect both the soldeirs in the sandbox and the politicians at home to name a few.
 
There is not really that much to say about this that has not allready been said IMO.
 
pvtbones said:
I'm amazed this has only gotten nine replies. This is something that can affect both the soldeirs in the sandbox and the politicians at home to name a few.
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Usually these threads are flooded with "AMERICA **** YEAH" fanboys but i think even now they can't bring up much reason to justify the evil conducted by their soldiers wearing the stars and stripes.

So you get a very mellow thread, not much attention. I believe people in this forum are finally accepting (or conveniently ignoring) that murder took place and the soldiers should be punished accordingly.
 
well, certainly those Soldiers that did this made the job we are supossed to doing alot harder...even thoe Iraq might be a lost cause...sadly
 
Great, just great. I knew that this was going to happen. People snap in wartime.

They really shouldn't get a too harsh of a sentence (like death) because they still did serve their country, and also went through Iraq (until now).
 
no,its a differnt story, these people where non combatants,you cant go in somebodys home and kill them just like that.Those Marins once they go thue a trail,should get the death sentence.like you said if they snap..then wtf where they in the militaryr in the first place?
 
This is ****ing horrific. I doubt it'll get the kind of media attention that it deserves - most people want to believe that westerners are 'civilized' and wouldnt do this sort of thing.

Goddamn it this makes me furious.
 
gick said:
This is ****ing horrific. I doubt it'll get the kind of media attention that it deserves - most people want to believe that westerners are 'civilized' and wouldnt do this sort of thing.

Goddamn it this makes me furious.
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dude,if this worry's you...I mean to much emphasis on politics dont you think?
I mean, I think its terrible, but it doesnt make me furious.
 
15357 said:
Great, just great. I knew that this was going to happen. People snap in wartime.

They really shouldn't get a too harsh of a sentence (like death) because they still did serve their country, and also went through Iraq (until now).
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Damn straight. Because in wartime, we all know that a few stress-induced murders are completely acceptable.
 
Ludah said:
Damn straight. Because in wartime, we all know that a few stress-induced murders are completely acceptable.
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They are? I mean, if it were communists, I'd understand, but....

EDIT: I was saying that however not justified in any way, you still could see it coming. There are alwaays a few bad eggsin every basket or whatever.
 
Lemonking said:
I mean, I think its terrible, but it doesnt make me furious.
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Women and children were butchered in cold blood by people who, chances are, will never face the consequences. That makes me pretty goddamn angry.
 
15357 said:
Great, just great. I knew that this was going to happen. People snap in wartime.

They really shouldn't get a too harsh of a sentence (like death) because they still did serve their country, and also went through Iraq (until now).
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Haha aren't you the guy who believes soldiers should be shot if they desert?
 
Mr-Fusion said:
Haha aren't you the guy who believes soldiers should be shot if they desert?
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Dessertion and murder are 2 wholly different things. A desserter dishonors the troop and betrays the nation. And these guys didn't betray the nation.
 
15357 said:
Dessertion and murder are 2 wholly different things. A desserter dishonors the troop and betrays the nation. And these guys didn't betray the nation.
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I believe they did. What honor is there in murdering defenceless inocent human beings.


Is that what their nation told them to do, what was right? I sure hope not.
 
marksmanHL2 :) said:
I believe they did. What honor is there in murdering defenceless inocent human beings.


Is that what their nation told them to do, what was right? I sure hope not.
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I suppose so. Military training is all about not snapping. (and a few lessons in firearms, too.)

I guess I was defending them a bit because a soldier deserves better.
 
Lemonking said:
dude,if this worry's you...I mean to much emphasis on politics dont you think?
I mean, I think its terrible, but it doesnt make me furious.
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do you think this is an isolated incident? that barring this one incident coalition troops are honorurable and are there to do the right thing? This is one incident out of hundreds if not thousands, only this time there was video taped evidence that the military could not ignore.

I could link to dozens of stories that are just as barbaric or disgusting in nature


15357 said:
I suppose so. Military training is all about not snapping. (and a few lessons in firearms, too.)

I guess I was defending them a bit because a soldier deserves better.
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are you shitting me? they deserve nothing except what they gave out

military training is NOT about not "snapping" ..it's about dehumanizing your enenmy to the point that it is easy to kill them ..why do you think these sort of things happen? it's not because "they're stressed from working too hard" ...it's because they see iraqis as subhuman ...how else would you explain shooting children? I'm not for the death penalty but these soldiers should be handed over to the victems families and torn to shreds ..the only reason why anyone would downplay their actions is because they're coalition soldiers ..anyone else and you'd be calling for their heads
 
Dessertion and murder are 2 wholly different things. A desserter dishonors the troop and betrays the nation. And these guys didn't betray the nation.
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So you're saying that the murder of civilians does not dishonour the nation?!
I truly hope that I am misunderstanding you here.
 
not when it's an accident ..they "accidentily" rounded them up and shot them dead in cold blood


the guardian said:
Eyewitnesses and human rights groups believe the marines swept through the town in a lust for revenge. The attack may have lasted for several hours. At the end of it, 24 Iraqi civilians had been killed. They included a 76-year-old amputee and a four-year-old boy. In one house an entire family, including seven children, were attacked with guns and grenades. Only a 13-year-old girl survived.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1784705,00.html
 
CptStern said:
not when it's an accident ..they "accidentily" rounded them up and shot them dead in cold blood




http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1784705,00.html
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Hell; stuff like this happened in Vietnam and Korea. It's bound to happen or so it seems whenever America enters, or starts, a war.

I'm not trying to talk bad about the US; or the US military in it's history. But it seems like every (long term) war in which the US military is present will see atleast one act of this magnitude. Which leads me personally to the following question: "Is the US military just an undisciplined overvalued boyscout group with guns or are the officers not capable of leading their troops?".

I'm sure that I can add some better questions next to the one above; but it still comes down to one thing:

There is evidence that US soldiers have been showing this kind of behaviour at atleast two theatres of war (Vietnam and now Iraq). Why does this happen?

- Pax
 
SAJ said:
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So you're saying that the murder of civilians does not dishonour the nation?!
I truly hope that I am misunderstanding you here.
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Heh, you are. :)
 
massacre eyewitness speaks

Safa Younis. 12 years old said:
The interviewer asks, "What did the American soldiers do when they broke into the house?"

"They knocked at the door," Younis says. "My father went to open it, they shot him dead from behind the door, and then they shot him again after they opened the door."

She describes hearing the Marines go through the rest of the house, shooting and setting off a grenade before getting to the bedroom where she was with her mother and siblings.

"Then comes one American soldier and shot [at] us all," she says. "I pretended to be dead … and he did not know about me."
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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=2015052&page=1



wake up america ..this happened in your name, it's time to hold people accountable. From those who pulled the trigger right to those who sent them there in the first place
 
****ing disgusting. How are people like these able to join the army in the first place?
 
they're no different than any other soldier ..that's pretty clear because it wasnt a spur of the moment decision ..the killing spree lasted hours
 
CptStern said:
some of you might remember this thread

http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=102944&highlight=murder

investigators have now determined it is likely a case of murder




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060526...CFX6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

among the victems were women and children ..they were rounded up and herded into a room where they were shot ..at first they reported it was 11 victems ..but now they're saying it's double that. If this isnt buried/ignored by the media it could turn out to be as huge a scandal as abu-ghraib
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haditha is becoming another my lai - i.e. it's not the only atrocity, just the one where they got caught. don't forget the stories about guys being shot at the side of the road, randomly, and shovels being thrown out to make it look like they were setting IEDs
 
Despicable. Just plain despicable. The bastards responsible for this are inhuman.

Forget being an American- they make me ashamed to share a species with them :|
 
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