Iran tops International Poll, USA close second...

[the_lone_wolf]

Iran Topped a poll for the BBC world service today as the country viewed by the rest of the world to have "the most negative role in the world today"

"The survey for the BBC World Service asked how 39,435 people in 33 nations across the globe saw various countries."

The USA came second with Russia third, however the results for Iran and the USA included the country's opinion about themselves, which can't help continuity throughout the results. These countries are the only ones viewed by more people to have more of a negative role in the world than a positive one...

"Europe" seems to be held in high esteem, god knows why:dozey:

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4674656.stm

 

[VictimOfScience]

Well, I agree to an extent, but I also wish people would not focus so much on the negative. The poll also depicts positive opinions, but the article instead focuses on the negative "winners." Pity...

It would be extremely interesting to see why these people voted the way they did. The media has portrayed so many countries and peoples in such a harsh and criticizing light of late that I wouldn't be surprised if many people based their opinion off of what they hear on the news or in the paper. A serious analysis of their reasoning would be key in figuring out what steps to take to remedy the situation.

 

[gick]

Interesting, the two most disliked countries in the world are both ruled by a small but vocal group of religious fundamentalists.

 

[CptStern]

Interesting, the two most disliked countries in the world are both ruled by a small but vocal group of religious fundamentalists.

..yes they do have a few things in common

example a

example b

 

[VictimOfScience]

..yes they do have a few things in common

example a

example b

Haha!

Don't forget this guy though.

And if you don't believe me, just look at how he treats NGOs (nongovernmental organizations) in his country: a new bill that he signed into law on Jan. 10th requires them to register with the Russian Government and it gives Moscow the power to suspend an NGO's operations in Russia if officials believe the group's actions threaten Russia's "sovereignty or independence." So now they are even more vulnerable to intimidation and manipulation by Russian government agents than they were before--and will be expected to conduct themselves accordingly. Crazy and going a bit too far.

Everything is an excuse for these world leaders to abuse their power, but never has there been an excuse like the War On Terror that we are all, regardless of national affiliation, involved in now.

 

[Icarusintel]

Sounds like a lot of people are merely buying into what the media is feeding them... and that's sad

 

[CptStern]

Sounds like a lot of people are merely buying into what the media is feeding them... and that's sad

oh the irony

 

[Sainku]

USA, China. and Russia will be at the top of similar lists for a long time.


After looking at it for a while, that poll seems to be really poorly done. While the negative side of things seems okay, the positive looks a bit strange looking at current events.

 

[DrDevin]

Canada is so good it's not even on that list. I don't have to defend my country in debates because no one ever attacks it.

 

[Raziaar]

Doesn't surprise me. But since when is this a surprise? People bitch about the united states all the time. Nothing new, and the results aren't shocking.

And by the way. Why is europe up there? Europe is a whole continent. And most of the people polled are likely FROM europe.

 

[CptStern]

bet if the poll was conducted 10 years ago the outcome would be different ..you ilegally invaded a country ..you gotta expect some animosity

 

[Icarusintel]

I think people just hate the fact that their countries aren;t global superpowers... sucks to be them

 

[CptStern]

ahahahah ..ya that's it!! boohoo we're not a superpower



:upstare:

 

[kirovman]

I wish I was a superpower: http://www.geocities.com/cinemorgue2/ronaldlacey1.JPG

 

[Raziaar]

bet if the poll was conducted 10 years ago the outcome would be different ..you ilegally invaded a country ..you gotta expect some animosity

USA has been hated since before Iraq my friend.

 

[CptStern]

nowhere near to this extent ..you forget I've been around a lot longer than you have

 

[Raziaar]

nowhere near to this extent ..you forget I've been around a lot longer than you have

No, not to this extent. But it was still disliked by people worldwide.

And what does touting your age have to do with anything? Reading about recent history in world events tells me more than your personal living experience can about the discontentment people worldwide have felt against americans.

 

[DeusExMachina]

There's been dislike towards us since the 1960s I believe and all the stupid shit we were doing.

 

[Pajari]

Interesting, the two most disliked countries in the world are both ruled by a small but vocal group of religious fundamentalists.

Argh, my BS detector just broke.

I can't say I'm surprised by this, though its just more proof that stupidity and hydrogen are the most abundant things in the universe.

 

[Milkman]

Yeah well, atleast our President doesn't look like a hobo.

 

[satch919]

Yeah well, atleast our President doesn't look like a hobo.

He looks like a chimp though. Not one of those cuddly, funny chimps that dress up in suits for laughs but the ones who throw their poo.

I think people just hate the fact that their countries aren;t global superpowers... sucks to be them

No, I think they hate that we try to force them to buy into our culture. They are also pissed because we move into their land, take their resources, and exploit their people. Our imperialistic ways are not always welcomed with open arms and flowers. Instead of blaming everything on jealousy, why not admit that the US has made quite a few mistakes in the past and present.

 

[gh0st]

No, not to this extent. But it was still disliked by people worldwide.

And what does touting your age have to do with anything? Reading about recent history in world events tells me more than your personal living experience can about the discontentment people worldwide have felt against americans.

sorry raziaar, you're wrong. he's OLD, how could he be wrong?! his vast wealth of knowledge and wrinkles dwarfs your youthful ignorance.

No, I think they hate that we try to force them to buy into our culture. They are also pissed because we move into their land, take their resources, and exploit their people. Our imperialistic ways are not always welcomed with open arms and flowers. Instead of blaming everything on jealousy, why not admit that the US has made quite a few mistakes in the past and present.

christ... you call us imperialistic? the roman empire controlled a quarter of the world. THATS imperialism. the british empire controlled a quarter of the world. THATS imperialism. yet the US controls a meager 300 million people, and far less than a quarter of the world. our influence is vast, far greater than any other country in the world but that does not equal "imperialism". that is the price of our power - what we say typically goes because we're bigger and stronger. you dont have to like it, but thats the way it is. somehow i doubt that some germanic tribe liked being taken over by rome, but the world is better because of it. just like the world is better because we have taken over iraq and are going to take over iran. its not imperialism when you take a country, then give it right back. thats not conquering or pillaging or any of those stupid words that liberals use to rail their own country.

 

[gick]

our influence is vast, far greater than any other country in the world but that does not equal "imperialism".

I beg to differ:

Imperialism

The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial gain or by the establishment of economic and political dominance over other nations.

Imperialism
1 a system in which a country rules other countries, sometimes having used force to obtain power over them:
eg the age of imperialism

2 when one country has a lot of power or influence over others, especially in political and economic matters:
eg She accused the United States of economic imperialism.

that is the price of our power - what we say typically goes because we're bigger and stronger.

Typical Imperialist rhetoric. Its that sort of brazen arrogance and jingoism that makes so much of the world dislike the US.

 

[Neutrino]

sorry raziaar, you're wrong. he's OLD, how could he be wrong?! his vast wealth of knowledge and wrinkles dwarfs your youthful ignorance.

christ... you call us imperialistic? the roman empire controlled a quarter of the world. THATS imperialism. the british empire controlled a quarter of the world. THATS imperialism. yet the US controls a meager 300 million people, and far less than a quarter of the world. our influence is vast, far greater than any other country in the world but that does not equal "imperialism". that is the price of our power - what we say typically goes because we're bigger and stronger. you dont have to like it, but thats the way it is. somehow i doubt that some germanic tribe liked being taken over by rome, but the world is better because of it. just like the world is better because we have taken over iraq and are going to take over iran. its not imperialism when you take a country, then give it right back. thats not conquering or pillaging or any of those stupid words that liberals use to rail their own country.

Yes, because being "bigger and stronger" always goes hand-in-hand with being right.

 

[the_lone_wolf]

He looks like a chimp though. Not one of those cuddly, funny chimps that dress up in suits for laughs but the ones who throw their poo.

QFT - http://www.boomersfunnies.com/Pictures/Bush Monkey.jpg

 

[gh0st]

I beg to differ:

maybe you should look at the FIRST definition.

Cambridge University Press
Imperialism
1 a system in which a country rules other countries, sometimes having used force to obtain power over them:
eg the age of imperialism

which countries have we taken over and ruled? i could name several that the british empire and the roman empire took over and ruled for hundreds of years, but i'll wait for you to name ONE we have taken over, ruled, and added to our "empire". of course we've had our imperialist stage in our history, but not for many, MANY years, since maybe the phillipines. calling the US imperialist is just another way that socialists somehow apply some evil overarching philosophy to the US for other socialist scumbags to relate to.

by your dumb logic ANY country who even ATTEMPTS to gain power in the world is imperialist.

Typical Imperialist rhetoric. Its that sort of brazen arrogance and jingoism that makes so much of the world dislike the US

oh wow look at all those big words. i didnt know commie school was so effective.

 

[Raziaar]

He looks like a chimp though. Not one of those cuddly, funny chimps that dress up in suits for laughs but the ones who throw their poo.



No, I think they hate that we try to force them to buy into our culture. They are also pissed because we move into their land, take their resources, and exploit their people. Our imperialistic ways are not always welcomed with open arms and flowers. Instead of blaming everything on jealousy, why not admit that the US has made quite a few mistakes in the past and present.

They hate me as an American. I had Jack shit to do with forcing culture down their throats. Thats the american corporations, etc that do that.

 

[baxter]

just like the world is better because we have taken over iraq and are going to take over iran. its not imperialism when you take a country, then give it right back. thats not conquering or pillaging or any of those stupid words that liberals use to rail their own country.

Just a simple yes or no question................Do you really believe this?

Do you really think that taking over Iraq and then Iran is making the world a better place?

Better as in safer, as in more secure, as in “this really is the way to set up ever lasting peace” better.

 

[the_lone_wolf]

oh wow look at all those big words. i didnt know commie school was so effective.

as poor an attempt to cover up your lack of an argument this jab was, it apparently taught him how to correctly use a dictionary:dozey:

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: gh0st you're such a simpleton ..the US doesnt have to actually invade a country, raise the stars and stripes and rename the country to Amerikastan for it to have a controlling hand in that country's development

just ask these countries:

Iran
Guatemala
Laos
Haiti
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Congo
Brazil
Indonesia
Bolivia
Uruguay
Cambodia
Chile
Australia
Angola
El Salvador
Nicaragua
Honduras
Panama



..they've always preferred to put in a puppet loyal to their interests regardless if that person is a madman, murderer, torturer or what have you ...in many instances the US helped overthrow democratically elected officials and replaced them with brutal dictators like

General Sani Abacha
Idi Amin
Hugo Banzer
Fulgencio Batista
Hassanal Bolkiah
P.W Botha
Humberto Branco
Raoul Cedras
Vinicio Cerezo,
Kai-Shek Chiang
Roberto Suazo Cordova
Alfredo Christiani
Ngo Dihn Diem
Samuel Doe
Francois Duvalier
Jean Claude Duvalier
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz
Ferdinand Marcos
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez
Saddam Hussein
Mobutu Sese Seko
General Manuel Noriega
Turgut Ozal,
Mohammed Reza
Augusto Pinochet
Pol Pot
Sitiveni Rabuka
Efrain Rios Montt
Halie Salassie
Antonio de Oliveira Salazar
Anastasio Somoza Jr
Anastasio Somoza Sr
Ian Smith
Alfredo Stroessner
General Suharto
Rafael Trujillo
Jorge Rafael Videla




btw welcome back gh0st, enjoy your short stay

 

[VictimOfScience]

No, I think they hate that we try to force them to buy into our culture.

Look, I don't think the US forced anyone in Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Lebanon, or Bahrain to open McDonald's restaurants in their lands, but there they are and I doubt its because they hate the ways of our culture.

They are also pissed because we move into their land, take their resources, and exploit their people.

I also doubt that many Mexicans, for instance, are disappointed that so many car manufacturers, for example, have moved their factories to Mexico, giving better-paying jobs to their people in their own country where they don't have to risk life and limb trying to cross the border illegally to eek out a living as a landscaper.

Instead of blaming everything on jealousy, why not admit that the US has made quite a few mistakes in the past and present.

Of course we have--name one country that hasn't! The point is, being the last superpower puts a lot of pressure on the US and everyone looks to us to set an example for the rest of the global community and yes, mistakes have been made, but many countries could learn a lot by watching us. Heck, China will own us anyway in 50 years probably the way things are going...let's talk then .

 

[gick]

maybe you should look at the FIRST definition.

Cambridge University Press
Imperialism
1 a system in which a country rules other countries, sometimes having used force to obtain power over them:
eg the age of imperialism

Whats your point? Yes there are two definitions of Imperialism, but being innocent of one, does not stop you from being guilty of the other.

(Also, at this point, i'd like to make it clear that by 'you' I mean the people in power in the US, not John Q Public, with whom I have no problem.)

which countries have we taken over and ruled? i could name several that the british empire and the roman empire took over and ruled for hundreds of years, but i'll wait for you to name ONE we have taken over, ruled, and added to our "empire". of course we've had our imperialist stage in our history, but not for many, MANY years, since maybe the phillipines. calling the US imperialist is just another way that socialists somehow apply some evil overarching philosophy to the US for other socialist scumbags to relate to.

Please see Stern's post regarding US backed coups, dictatorships, terrorism and torture.

by your dumb logic ANY country who even ATTEMPTS to gain power in the world is imperialist.

Read the definitions carefully. Gaining power does not necessarily require 'the establishment of political and economic dominance over other nations' now does it?

oh wow look at all those big words. i didnt know commie school was so effective.

Oh I see, because I disagree with American forgein policy automatically makes me a communist does it? And honestly, grow the hell up, it hardly reflects well on you when you insult somebody for their use of vocabulary.

 

[CptStern]

dont mind gh0st gick, every day I'm a little more convinced that gh0st isnt actually human ..but rather a neo-conservative mouthpiece bot remotely controlled by Bill Oreilly

 

[Flyingdebris]

I doesn't matter what the US does anymore. We are going to take heat.

Sit back and do nothing? Apathetic isolationists who care about only themselves.

Go out and do something? imperialistic Amerikkkans trying to take over the world.

Combination of the two? imperialistic americans who do nothing and care only about themselves.

The Middle East finds us decadent and sinful, europe finds us filled with over religious zealots.

Make up your godamn mind, world, JEEZ.

Anyway i think china should be number 1. Cause you know very well that while the USA might have all the fancy military gadgets to get its way, a bit of bad press and things can get messed up really quick. China has no such limitations. And while the USA at least tries to look like its trying to do good. (whether its good or not is up for judgement) China does not give enough of a rat's ass to bother pretending. If they want something they will take it and they have enough superflous manpower and control of information to do it. They're also not too keen on human rights either. Why their popularity is so high is a mystery to me.

 

[Lemonking]

its not even proven that Iran has nukes or will have,If we invade its gonna same thing like Iraq all over...NK has thoe why arent we doing anything about them?

 

[Flyingdebris]

don't they have the support of china? that'd be one hell of a deterrent if ever there was one.

 

[Lemonking]

maybe we should start no war at all 0.o

lol