Iranian State TV show on Holocaust sympathetic to Jews

[CptStern]

Jackbooted Nazis are rounding up Jews for the concentration camps, while terrified Parisians look on.

It is a familiar plot for a television blockbuster. And this time the formula has been as popular as ever, drawing in massive audiences week after week.

The only difference is that this is a series made for Iranian state TV, and it has been piling up the ratings in the country whose president once questioned the very existence of the Holocaust.

The fact that Zero Degree Turn has been allowed on TV, shows the official sensitivity over the accusations of anti-Semitism that have followed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's various comments about Israel and the Holocaust.

'Iranian Schindler'

"There's been a menu of demonising Iran to portray it as anti-Jewish, which is not the case at all," argues Iranian commentator and film-maker Nader Talebzadeh.

"This popular television series, which is visually also very attractive, has tackled this issue because of all the propaganda against Iran."

The series has gone a step beyond simply acknowledging the Holocaust.

The central character is an Iranian diplomat, who provides false Iranian passports to enable Jews to flee the Nazi-occupied France, a sort of the Iranian Schindler. He even has a love affair with a Jewish woman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7119474.stm

here's a clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQnlAerDSj0

 

[2real]

maybe Iran isn't so bad after all?:upstare:

 

[CptStern]

ya because that MUST be the point I'm trying to make






:upstare:

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

There's been a menu of demonising Iran to portray it as anti-Jewish, which is not the case at all.

I think I'm gonna be sick.

 

[Nemesis6]

Unfortunately it's not all roses and puppies in this one - both the AFP, the BBC, and the Wall Street Journal got it wrong -

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,504864,00.html

For the germanically-impaired, Mohammad Reza Kazemi gives the real low-down to Der Spiegel:

* the major point of the series is that it was allegedly the German Jews themselves who collaborated with Hitler to kill those Jews who opposed the re-settlement of Palestine
* for example, a plot line shows that a Jewish researcher is in possession of documents that prove the connection between Hitler and Zionists
* the credits of each episode feature the work of anti-Semite Roger Garaudy as a "historical source"
* The "historical adviser" to the series is Holocaust denier Abdollah Shahbazi who openly admits in his blog that he's a denier
* director and screenwriter Hassan Fatthi alleged to SPIEGEL that according to 'historical evidence' a majority of Hitler's victims were those who opposed the re-settlement of Palestine

You can run it through Babelfish if you don't trust those conclusions. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is, and it is in this casse.

 

[CptStern]

Unfortunately it's not all roses and puppies in this one - both the AFP, the BBC, and the Wall Street Journal got it wrong -

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,504864,00.html

For the germanically-impaired, Mohammad Reza Kazemi gives the real low-down to Der Spiegel:



You can run it through Babelfish if you don't trust those conclusions. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is, and it is in this casse.

and? your points are minor at best and at worst has little to nothing to do with the tv series .. god forbid you miss the bigger picture in favor of staying true to your agenda by nitpicking the most minor of details .. your hate blinds you and hopefully will be be ultimately your undoing

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Their trying to appease to the west because they know that Russia won't come to save the day like they promised. So now their trying to make the West happy. Kind of like the sign at Auschwitz that reads "Work is freedom".

 

[Nemesis6]

You know they're not minor, Stern. Being based around the "historical evidence" that Zionist Jews instigated the holocaust and were connected to Hitler is not really sympathetic to Jews. It's really just Iranians trying to do the classic "we don't Jews, we just hate Zionists". Yet more Holocaust denial from Iran, what baffles me is that you didn't know the details of this case. Also, I don't think you're sympathetic to Jews by denying the Holocaust in new ways, either - This propaganda for example.

So the correct thread title would essentially be: Iranian State TV blames Zionist Jews for Holocaust.

 

[Mr-Fusion]

Iranian Schindler! DISGRACEFUL.

200 lashes for the director.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Unfortunately it's not all roses and puppies in this one - both the AFP, the BBC, and the Wall Street Journal got it wrong -

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesells...504864,00.html

For the germanically-impaired, Mohammad Reza Kazemi gives the real low-down to Der Spiegel:


Quote:
* the major point of the series is that it was allegedly the German Jews themselves who collaborated with Hitler to kill those Jews who opposed the re-settlement of Palestine
* for example, a plot line shows that a Jewish researcher is in possession of documents that prove the connection between Hitler and Zionists
* the credits of each episode feature the work of anti-Semite Roger Garaudy as a "historical source"
* The "historical adviser" to the series is Holocaust denier Abdollah Shahbazi who openly admits in his blog that he's a denier
* director and screenwriter Hassan Fatthi alleged to SPIEGEL that according to 'historical evidence' a majority of Hitler's victims were those who opposed the re-settlement of Palestine

You can run it through Babelfish if you don't trust those conclusions. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is, and it is in this casse.

Nice to see Iran is satiring Oscar Schindler.

 

[Nemesis6]

And that is indeed all this is, cruel satire. By the way, Stern really didn't take reality all too well when presented with it in this thread. I guess some people focus on the Iranian lollipops and kittens.

 

[nurizeko]

Sorry Iran, if you don't mind I'll still be wary of your fundamentalist nut job regime with a leader spouting the kind of shit that fundie American Christians only wish they could say.

 

[jerkasaur]

Their trying to appease to the west because they know that Russia won't come to save the day like they promised. So now their trying to make the West happy. Kind of like the sign at Auschwitz that reads "Work is freedom".

with a television show? wow that sounds like a very evil plan... :upstare:

 

[CptStern]

And that is indeed all this is, cruel satire. By the way, Stern really didn't take reality all too well when presented with it in this thread. I guess some people focus on the Iranian lollipops and kittens.

burden of proof is yours, please provide time stamp of where exactly the tv show supports the notion that the holocaust was caused by zionists ..I want the exact frame ..here are the videos, I await your response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQnlAerDSj0

also in order to be concise and clear as possible, you must prove that this ideology is part of the narrative and not some off hand comment from one of the characters. You must PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that this was indeed their agenda, please provide MULTIPLE examples using the supplied videos, try to cover as many episodes as possible in order to paint a clear picture ..could you have it ready by sometime today? no rush, end of day would be fine

 

[Nemesis6]

burden of proof is yours, please provide time stamp of where exactly the tv show supports the notion that the holocaust was caused by zionists ..I want the exact frame ..here are the videos, I await your response:

VIDEO

also in order to be concise and clear as possible, you must prove that this ideology is part of the narrative and not some off hand comment from one of the characters. You must PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that this was indeed their agenda, please provide MULTIPLE examples using the supplied videos, try to cover as many episodes as possible in order to paint a clear picture ..could you have it ready by sometime today? no rush, end of day would be fine

First of all, I don't speak Farsi. Second, that is ONE episode - it's a bit flawed to ask me to deduce anything from one episode. I can't research anything when I don't have access to the rest of this filth, and also I have no reason to dig for anything else because everything I've stated here is from the horse's own mouth -- Meaning Mohammad Reza Kazemi, the director of this "series". You see, you would have gotten away with spinning this bullshit in Iran's favor if the director didn't see it fit to correct that misunderstanding of it. As I said - Run the Spiegel article through babelfish or get someone to translate it for you. That's be your job - To read and comprehend the article somehow. That's unfair, too, because as far as I know, not many here speak German, so feel free to not read it, but if you decide to do that, accept my summery.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Let's be very clear about this, Iranian TV Sympathetic to Holocaust Survivors bit:

A. It's a political move whose passive goal is to undermine geo-political outrage at Iran for Holocaust Denial.
B. It's also a political statement, one thats lost on CptStern. First and foremost, what they're trying to establish is that, "You see? We cared for the Jews -- we helped them to escape NSDAP tyranny -- BUT THEY STILL STOLE NORTHERN PALESTINE FROM US AND STILL MADE ISRAEL!"

It's really a simple minded propaganda piece ment to trick people into believing pan-Extremist Arab sentiments that Israel must be undone. Old.

 

[CptStern]

Let's be very clear about this, Iranian TV Sympathetic to Holocaust Survivors bit:

A. It's a political move whose passive goal is to undermine geo-political outrage at Iran for Holocaust Denial.
B. It's also a political statement, one thats lost on CptStern. First and foremost, what they're trying to establish is that, "You see? We cared for the Jews -- we helped them to escape NSDAP tyranny -- BUT THEY STILL STOLE NORTHERN PALESTINE FROM US AND STILL MADE ISRAEL!"

It's really a simple minded propaganda piece ment to trick people into believing pan-Extremist Arab sentiments that Israel must be undone. Old.

ok then it should be easy to pick out the relevant parts ..I provided the videos ..get to it

 

[Nemesis6]

Let's be very clear about this, Iranian TV Sympathetic to Holocaust Survivors bit:

A. It's a political move whose passive goal is to undermine geo-political outrage at Iran for Holocaust Denial.
B. It's also a political statement, one thats lost on CptStern. First and foremost, what they're trying to establish is that, "You see? We cared for the Jews -- we helped them to escape NSDAP tyranny -- BUT THEY STILL STOLE NORTHERN PALESTINE FROM US AND STILL MADE ISRAEL!"

B is slightly off - The message is that Zionists helped the Nazis kill non-Zionist Jews - To punish them for not supporting a Jewish state, and the show portrays an Iranian diplomat who helps a Jewish scientist or something trying to prove this... By the way, I think geographically, they'd have to claim that the Jews stole West Palestine. The majority is occupied by Jordan today -- meaning the East part of course..

It goes on like that. I hate Der Spiegel for not having the article in English, but I love them for having it in German nonetheless.

 

[CptStern]

please provide the exact time where any of this comes up in the videos, I've prrovided them it should be easy enough to find

 

[Nemesis6]

I think you missed my reply in the end of page one. I know it happens, still, please read it!

 

[CptStern]

First of all, I don't speak Farsi. Second, that is ONE episode - it's a bit flawed to ask me to deduce anything from one episode.

here you go, it's translated to english

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQnlAerDSj0

here's part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRH390LQRPQ&feature=related

here's part 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrXPB8K10ik&feature=related


in fact it goes up to episode 21:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zero+degree+turn

I can't research anything when I don't have access to the rest of this filth,

well I just provided most of the episodes in english ,,get cracxking it should take you a few hours to watch them, remember to take notes and jot down exactly when the tv show bames zionists for the holocaust

and also I have no reason to dig for anything else because everything I've stated here is from the horse's own mouth -- Meaning Mohammad Reza Kazemi, the director of this "series".

he specifically mentioned that his tv series is a "vehicle to promote the idea that the jewbs are responsible for the holocaust due to their zionism"? please provide a link + source

You see, you would have gotten away with spinning this bullshit in Iran's favor if the director didn't see it fit to correct that misunderstanding of it.

"spinning" I havent given my opinion on the tv series whatsoever except remarking that it seemed out of place ..so how exactly am I spinning this? it is you who are spinning this to suit your own ideology

As I said - Run the Spiegel article through babelfish or get someone to translate it for you.

now why would I do that? the burden of proof is on YOU ..you provide an english translation WITH sources that says exactly what you said it does, that the movie pushes forth the idea that the jews are responsible for the holocaust

That's be your job - To read and comprehend the article somehow. That's unfair, too, because as far as I know, not many here speak German, so feel free to not read it, but if you decide to do that, accept my summery.

I accept nothing, why the hell would I take your word on anything much ess a translation of an article you claim says this tv soap opera is just an instrument of anti-zionism ..it is YOU who has the obligation to BACK what you post ..put out or shut up, anything less is just unsubstantiated opinion

 

[PortalStormzzzz]

Looks like appeasement on |censored| proportions. It's like watching Al Sharpton saying sorry he's racist to Whites and Jews.


Lol, it's funny how they make sure very woman still has her head covered.

 

[Nemesis6]

now why would I do that? the burden of proof is on YOU ..you provide an english translation WITH sources that says exactly what you said it does, that the movie pushes forth the idea that the jews are responsible for the holocaust

Read the god damn article or be quiet. Run it through babelfish. Even with the terrible grammar, it says the same. And no, I'm gonna bother watching two hours of Iranian propaganda, just like you're not. It might as well be you, since you're the one claiming it's all lollipops and puppies. I have better things to do as hard as it might be to believe. If you wanna watch it, go ahead. You'll find out what I told you.

Still, I couldn't help myself, and the first sign came in 21 part 4. I'll skim a little bit more, and while I do that, you can read this now gramatically crippled article:

Conspirator as Betoerer Of Mohammad Reza Kazemi Of Iran president Ahmadinedschad is notorious as Holocaust Leugner. An Iranian TV serial, which seems to obtain an objective view on Jew pursuit, is the more amazing - and but by western newspapers one praises. But the light deceives. A house-made TV serial over Jew pursuit draws each Monday evening million to humans in Iran before the screens.

By the way, they're not all subtitled.

The action of "width: Zero degree ": Habib, a young Iranian, comes with two friends briefly before outbreak of the Second World War to Paris, in order to study philosophy. It falls in love with its Jewish Kommilitonin Sara. Soon the Nazis occupy the French capital and begin to deportieren Jews into the concentration camps. The life from Sara and its family is in acute danger. Habib appears as a rescuer: It procures Iranian passports for them, so that they can flee after Teheran. Logo of the series of "width: Zero degree ": Kaschierter revisionism large picture opinion Logo of the series of "width: Zero degree ": Kaschierter revisionism the topic meets a nerve in Iran: President Mahmud Ahmadinedschad called the Holocaust "myth", the ratio hit "width: Zero degree "against it, which runs for four months on the first channel of the national television of the Islamic republic, show the opposite - in such a way it seems at least. And in such a way it sees also the young French actress Nathalie Matti, which represents 30 consequences the Sara into that altogether.

"there are dialogues, which refer, say clearly to the murder of Jews by the Nazis" them in the discussion with MIRROR ON-LINE ONE. "in addition Sara and their family in the film are represented positively." Many Iranians divide this opinion and are astonished over the apparently open opposition of the otherwise loyalen television channel. Alleged taboo break with consequences "the Iranian television seems to lose control of his own productions", means for instance an Iranian student, who looked at himself some consequences of the series. The series is for it in addition, in other regard a genuine taboo break: "rendezvous with blond Parisiennes, night club, dancing and besoffene Iranians" - that is everything but normally in the Iranian television. In addition come the topic love and an exchange of letters between a married woman and a police officer as well as a breath of toolism, which for more contrast and attractiveness of the series provide. In addition, technically production ranks the far over Iranian Durchschnit. Even the US sheet "barrier Street journal" praised past week the "most expensive" Iranian TV serial: The film is an attempt of the government in Teheran to improve the picture of the Jews in the inland.

Does it concern thus a kind covered TV diplomacy, because all other channels between Teheran and Washington are blocked at present? The interpretation "barrier of the Street journal" seizes much too briefly. In order to recognize, one must know however that behind the exotic front of the ratio hit one hides itself under Holocaust Leugnern widespread thesis. Afterwards Jewish Zionisten with Adolf Hitler would have kollaboriert, in order to carry out their desire for the establishment of a Jewish state. They would have cold-bloodedly murdered, above all even many Gleichgesinnte those, which would have placed themselves against the political ambitions of the zionistischen movement. And actually: This aspect becomes in "width: Zero degree "again and again emphasized - much more strongly than the Jew destruction by the Nazis.

Thus before its departure to France the life of the Hauptprotagonisten Habib in Teheran is already described, among other things in connection with a murder case. An Iranian Rabbiner, which faces the emigration of the Jews critically to Palestine, is killed - by Zionisten. Also the uncle of the Jewish student Sara experiences the same fate. The awkward Plot: The retired historical professor is in possession of documents, which document the secret connections between the Jewish world union and the national socialists. Antisemiten, as they stand in beech From view of the Iranian president Ahmadinedschad the Holocaust is the establishment column of the Israeli state. To doubt is called the Holocaust therefore for it to place the existence of Israel in question.

The TV series "width: Zero degree "serve now likewise this purpose - however in more skillful way, than past Mach works did it. The opinions of the Iranian head of state were under no circumstances the cause for the production of the film, protest the director and film script author Hassan Fatthi. Finally the project already is before five years, therefore be enough before the assumption of office Ahmadinedschads, started. But this argumentation has a hook: Ahmadinedschad was not at that time actually yet in power. The theses of the Holocaust Leugner were however by persons as the French authors Roger Garaudy also in Iran long well-known - and popular.

A book of the Antisemiten Garaudy emerges even in removes the series - as "historical source". It comes still more thickly: When "historical advisor" of the director Fatthi functions Abdollah Shahbazi, a decided Holocaust Leugner, as the contributions in its Web log prove www.shahbazi.org. Also Fatthi does not make make no secret from its revisionistic historical understanding. "the historical proofs show that the majority of the Nazi victims those Jews were, who were against the Okkupation of Palestine", said he to MIRROR ON-LINE ONE. Nevertheless Fatthi wants to know its TV series as "service for the people understanding" understood.

"with the film I wanted to make a contribution to the dialogue between the religions and cultures", say he. One may ask oneself, how a dialogue between cultures and religions with right-wing extreme ideas should be possible. Stupidly only that "width: Zero degree "partially in the middle in Europe, turned in France as well as Hungary and under active participation by European actors are. A fact, which lets the Iranian director believe the more self-confidently in its project.

 

[CptStern]

that was barely comprehensible and provides no concrete evidence of anything )probably because I couldnt tell what the hell they were saying in broken bablefish translated german)

well I guess I cant ask
die sprockets ...err der spieglemen ..umm die spigot? umm the german magazine ........

http://youtube.com/watch?v=meGzYZM1Dj0

.... to provide the exact time in the mini series where the idea that zionists caused the holocaust as you says it does ..so ..please provide the exact time so that I may review it for myself ..you have proven nothing, providing the video evidence would settle the issue

 

[Nemesis6]

The whole "Zionists did it." comes into play in 20/2 and 3, but it's hard to find things when as I said, a lot of it isn't subtitled.

 

[CptStern]

not too worry, I'll wait till you post the exact time ..I'm not much of a fan of soap operas

 

[Nemesis6]

not too worry, I'll wait till you post the exact time ..I'm not much of a fan of soap operas

Which is exactly my point with this - You don't wanna it either. And once again, a lot of it is not subtitled, so you're really sending me on a wild goose chase, which you of course know by now. You know I'm right, but you want me to waste so much time going through this shit, so either way, you'll win the argument - If I bother, you'll claim that I have no proof, if I do I'll have wasted all that time watching Iranian propaganda, just to confirm that I'm telling you the truth, and the second is likely not possible because once again... subtitles. Nice try.

By the way, I found another article on this: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP171507 - It deals with this clip where you see the Zionists shoot the Rabbi of Tehran -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUjcsNQY7vM
- and part 2 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s00hjAoH4vc&feature=user

Watch them. We later find out that these are the same people who smuggle things within the ghettos to get money for their Zionist cause(21 I believe we find out in). By the way, another transcript this time from episode 2, showing exactly the whole "the Jews did it" thing: http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP172607

 

[venturon]

Der Spiegel isn't the most reliable source on the issue, and it's difficult to source their claims when the show's credits run in Farsi. There really isn't much point in translating the article, and I am sure as hell not writing that crap out. I couldn't really find much on some of their claims, but what was apparent, even from watching the first couple of episodes (not so much the pilot), is that the show is decidedly bent against the Zionists. From what I saw in the show, they are stirring up trouble in the Jewish community to create incentive for the Jewish to immigrate to Israel (whacky conspiracy theories ahoy). It comes up pretty often so far and I suppose you could interpret that as an attempt to discredit the validity of Israel's existence, but honestly I haven't watched enough of the show to determine how prominent it is. I don't think I will be either, because watching Iranian soap-operas with poor English subtitles isn't my idea of fun or time well spent.

 

[Nemesis6]

Well, from what I've seen of this so-called soap opera, everything I've seen fits the description from Der Spiegel, however unreliable they may be sometimes. So basically, this program is based on "research" by some holocaust deniers, with a twist - That the Zionists were the ones who used the Nazis to punish the Jews who were not. It's really just the standard "we don't hate Jews, we just hate Zionists". It's really a sweet deal for the Iranians, because on one side they get to say differentiate between Jews and Zionists, which a lot of people do in the West, and at the same time, they get to deny the holocaust by saying the Jews did it to themselves.

I gotta hand it to them, it was far more effective than the usual "Marg bar Israil!" you find on their television, and much more edible for the guillible Westerners - For instance, the Huffington Post are eating this one up.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

I gotta hand it to them, it was far more effective than the usual "Marg bar Israil!" you find on their television, and much more edible for the guillible Westerners - For instance, the Huffington Post are eating this one up.

Of course, because if they can hype this one up, maybe some gullible westerners will fall for it. Instead or reading they're history books, of course.

 

[Nemesis6]

There's really nothing to hype, it's all Holocaust revisionism. And it is indeed hilarious that the Western news agencies carried this story as they did. Their errors haven't been corrected. Some people know that it was indeed not sympathetic, but the news has been printed and another PR victory Iran it is.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Sad isn't it? I wonder, whats the agenda these people are pushing?