Iraqi insurgency could last 12 years, Rumsfeld warns

[dream431ca]

Just found an interesting article on Iraq.


http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2005/06/26/rumsfeld-iraq050626.html

"If the fighting continues for years, it will be up to the Iraqi security forces to defeat the militants because the U.S. and other foreign forces will be gone, Rumsfeld said on Sunday."

There's an interesting quote I never heard from Rumsfeld before.

So I guess in a few years if there is still fighting the Americans and other people will leave Iraq security forces to deal with it themselves.

 

[gh0st]

at least we'll be gone, thats all i care about.

 

[dream431ca]

at least we'll be gone, thats all i care about.

I'm guessing that alot of people such as yourself are just waiting for this war to be finished with. I'm not american, but I know I'm one of those people. It will be interesting to see what will happen to Iraq after that.

 

[Glirk Dient]

I don't think theres a single person in America that doesn't want our troops home. This is good news, for everyone.

 

[Lemonking]

you guys are so ignorant.......its very sad that you waste the air

 

[dream431ca]

you guys are so ignorant.......its very sad that you waste the air

Can you explain what you mean?? It would be interesting to read your point.

 

[gh0st]

Can you explain what you mean?? It would be interesting to read your point.

lemonking has a poor grasp on english, yet he indulges himself in these arguments and assumes everyone knows what he's saying when nobody can, and when you ask him to clarify he gets defensive.

 

[Lemonking]

at least I try to learn another language.
however I ment that all Gh0st says "Oh im just glad the troops are coming home" is a disgrace to who how many 1000s of Iraqis died just becuz of Bushs stupity.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

lemonking has a poor grasp on english, yet he indulges himself in these arguments and assumes everyone knows what he's saying when nobody can, and when you ask him to clarify he gets defensive.

He makes one hell of alot more sense to me than you do half the time..


And yes I agree, you should finish what you have started. If you run away from this you will just confirm everyones assumptions and fears..

 

[gh0st]

at least I try to learn another language.
however I ment that all Gh0st says "Oh im just glad the troops are coming home" is a disgrace to who how many 1000s of Iraqis died just becuz of Bushs stupity.

i know another language. i know spanish. though i dont speak it, because i have no use to. its a requirement for college here.

Iraqis died just becuz of Bushs stupity.

yeah i'd say that sums up what i said nicely.

to clarify, i will be very happy when our troops come home and the iraqi government is capable of dealing with the insurgency themselves. didnt know that lemonking would get his panties stick in his arsehole about it.

 

[dream431ca]

at least I try to learn another language.
however I ment that all Gh0st says "Oh im just glad the troops are coming home" is a disgrace to who how many 1000s of Iraqis died just becuz of Bushs stupity.

Ignore ghOst if he's bothering you. Or if he's really bothering you, you can take it up with a Moderator.

I however do see your point of view..it's like the US went in to Iraq made a mess and now they just leave. good point.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

yeah i'd say that sums up what i said nicely.

Honestly... Don't judge peoples opinion by their spelling. "Because" is a fairly difficult word to spell if you dont know the language fully... He probably just couldnt be bothered to look it up...

 

[gh0st]

Honestly... Don't judge peoples opinion by their spelling. "Because" is a fairly difficult word to spell if you dont know the language fully... He probably just couldnt be bothered to look it up...

i wasent judging his spelling, i was judging the stupidity and misunderstanding he demonstrated in his post.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

i wasent judging his spelling, i was judging the stupidity and misunderstanding he demonstrated in his post.

You going to expand on that?


Or just leave it to the imagination as usual..

 

[gh0st]

You going to expand on that?


Or just leave it to the imagination as usual..

i said i'll be happy when our troops are gone.

lemonking said i was a waste of air or whatever for thinking that. upon asking him to clarify, he said it was a disgrace to the iraqis who had died, immediately getting defensive and assuming i wanted to just pack up and leave.. kind of an absurd assumption, really.

 

[dream431ca]

i said i'll be happy when our troops are gone.

lemonking said i was a waste of air or whatever for thinking that. upon asking him to clarify, he said it was a disgrace to the iraqis who had died, immediately getting defensive and assuming i wanted to just pack up and leave.. kind of an absurd assumption, really.

I wouldn't call that defensive...just making a point.

 

[gh0st]

lemonking siad that b/c the perception you give out is that u just want our troops gone and to leave iraq a total and utterly horrible mess. Well i would love for our troops to be home too, but we started this shit, we damn well finish it.

THERE we go.

 

[marksmanHL2 :)]

i said i'll be happy when our troops are gone.

lemonking said i was a waste of air or whatever for thinking that. upon asking him to clarify, he said it was a disgrace to the iraqis who had died, immediately getting defensive and assuming i wanted to just pack up and leave.. kind of an absurd assumption, really.

Let me remind you what you said:

"thats all I care about"


Ring a bell....


That implies quite alot.



But yeah, if you mean you want the troops out when the job is done.. I think anyone and everyone agrees with you.



But leaving before the country is stable again is just criminal.

 

[Glirk Dient]

We aren't just running away. We have rebuilt what was destroyed...added an insane amount to what they didn't have before the war. We have given them freedom and their country back. We are hardly running away...we are simply leaving so the people of Iraq can finally have peace.

 

[No Limit]

We have rebuilt what was destroyed...added an insane amount to what they didn't have before the war.

What did you add?

From now on when you say anything I am going to ask you for back up; lets see how long you stick around.

 

[dream431ca]

We aren't just running away. We have rebuilt what was destroyed...added an insane amount to what they didn't have before the war. We have given them freedom and their country back. We are hardly running away...we are simply leaving so the people of Iraq can finally have peace.

You know..the word "Peace" doesn't fit that statement. It's like saying the Bombing of Heroshima made "Peace" for all japanese. Somehow..that doesn't exactly fit. (if your really sick minded then it does). Your not running away, well at least not yet. What have you rebuilt, and what have you added?? It seems that there are holes missing in your statement.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Oh...war ending didn't bring peace? or are we still at war with them? The bombs themselves saved more lives. Invading would have killed just about all the japanese and would have lasted a lot longer and been very bloody. Bombing them brught the end to the war and peace.

Perhaps we should always stay in Iraq...there would never be peace. Leaving is the first step to peace.

 

[dream431ca]

Oh...war ending didn't bring peace? or are we still at war with them? The bombs themselves saved more lives. Invading would have killed just about all the japanese and would have lasted a lot longer and been very bloody. Bombing them brught the end to the war and peace.

Perhaps we should always stay in Iraq...there would never be peace. Leaving is the first step to peace.

You exactly right on leaving is the first step to peace. But leaving it without a balanced government or leaving it without stopping the chaos first would be leaving in vain. Bear in mind that this would look really bad to the rest of the world.

 

[No Limit]

Oh...war ending didn't bring peace? or are we still at war with them? The bombs themselves saved more lives. Invading would have killed just about all the japanese and would have lasted a lot longer and been very bloody. Bombing them brught the end to the war and peace.

Perhaps we should always stay in Iraq...there would never be peace. Leaving is the first step to peace.

You said, and I quote, "added an insane amount to what they didn't have before the war". What did you add? Or is this another example of you pulling stuff out of your ass?

 

[Glirk Dient]

They are doing very well as of now, and it is still going to be some time before we leave.

Here is a site all about the reconstruction of Iraq.
http://www.export.gov/iraq/

 

[No Limit]

They are doing very well as of now, and it is still going to be some time before we leave.

Here is a site all about the reconstruction of Iraq.
http://www.export.gov/iraq/

Sorry, I dont have time to read all that. I want specific examples from you, what did we add?

 

[Glirk Dient]

We have added phone lines all over the country.

We have increased their electrical system and distribution.

Added mobile phones.

UPS is delivering 100 trailers a month of goods into Iraq.

That's just a few of the examples I found on that site...it seems to be more geared towards specific company contracts rather than what the military itself is doing. Well, there are a few examples for ya.

 

[No Limit]

We have added phone lines all over the country.

Lines you destroyed

We have increased their electrical system and distribution.

No, the electrical system is still worse than it was under Saddam. And keep in mind you destroyed the electrical system through sanctions before the invasion

Added mobile phones.

They had mobile phones before we went in there, but you might have improved the system slightly since soldiers and contractors were complaining that they couldn't get jobs done; I'll give you that.

UPS is delivering 100 trailers a month of goods into Iraq.

I'm sure they were able to get mail/packages before the invasion.

Well, there are a few examples for ya.

Most of what you posted was already there before the invasion; try again.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Well...I know for a fact we have established a milita and a democracy and given them freedom. They didn't have that before the war.

 

[No Limit]

Well...I know for a fact we have established a milita and a democracy and given them freedom. They didn't have that before the war.

LOL, they certainly had a militia. Democracy they didn't have. But lets stick to the point you said, reconstraction wise, that we added an insane amount of new stuff. I am waiting for examples of these, the stuff you posted they all had before the war.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Can you prove the entire country had telephones, electricity, cell phones and mail before the war? Some areas did, but now all.

Here is an article that explains Iraq's economy and how much better it is doing.

http://usinfo.state.gov/mena/Archive/2004/Nov/29-55405.html

We couldn't possibly destroy and rebuild that. With an improved economy they can be self sufficient.

 

[Mith']

I know you are building lots of prisons! Heard it on the news..

 

[Absinthe]

As much as I want the troops home...

We need to see this shit through. It is the USA's moral responsibility. You can thank Bush & Co. for putting us in this mess to begin with?

 

[CptStern]

you know, if I look back 2 years ago and think of the day of the invasion of iraq I remember distinctly thinking of a few things that have since come true:

one of them being that the US would be in iraq for decades not months as bush and co stated a million times leading up the war ...once again the war supporters fell for it, thought it would be a piece of cake and all would be safe for heroic america ...well guess what? reality has set in. your boys are dying at an alarming rate all based on a handful of lies

taking into account that 1800 US soldiers have died in 2 yrs of occupation ...if this keeps up in 12 years there will be 10800 american dead bringing the 14 yr total to 12600 ...hope bush's lie was worth it

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Iraqi army will be able to whoop them. My friend told me that while at the beginning before the merging of the Iraqi Army and the ING, things were fickle with their troops. But as desertion became less of a problem and true soldiers stepped up they were doing well. He told me a sad story about this Iraqi army guy named Mohammad though.

He was like a 20 year veteran of the army or something, he was a cool guy to know and said in combat he was something else! But since he was kinda popular, and in attacks the insurgents couldn't kill him, they killed him at his house at night. Sad, but if guys like that are stepping up in defense of Iraq, the future will be good.