IRS Looses Income Tax Prosecution

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Jul 12, 2007

Today at about 5:30 PM Attorney Tom Cryer was found not guilty to all charges of willful failure to file by the jury in Federal District Court, Shreveport LA. I attended the 2-1/2 day trial. The judge assisted the prosecution in every way possible, and the prosecution lied claiming there is a law requiring most Americans to file. However, the jury saw through the lies and believed Tom Cryer.

The prosecution could not state any law making the average American liable for the income tax. All the prosecution could point out was rulings by two lower courts. However, as Tom Cryer stated The lower courts cannot overturn the Supreme Court and Tom Cryer stated numerous Supreme Court Ruling that conflicted with the IRS version of the law.
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Pwnt, no law requires you to pay income tax.
 
I saw a documentary on this a while ago, pretty crazy stuff, but I don't think I'm ballsy enough not to pay :p
 
im sure his court fees took its place :(
 
He won, which means the IRS would of had to pay for all the court costs. That's how it works here anyway, he would only have to pay for his defense.

Basically winning means it entitles him to never pay income tax ever again legally, and technically if large groups of people stopped paying it as is actually happening, it would put the whole matter to rest, it's not in the constitution as a mandatory tax.

What the FED through the IRS are doing is using authoritarian methods to make you pay up.
 
I'm still questioning if I should pay income taxes. I read Tom Cryers case a while ago, and it seemed legitimate. The only problem I have is that my paycheck is already being withheld, which means I have to go to my employer and tell him not to withhold my taxes, because I'm not liable. But if I did that he would think i was crazy or something... So it would be hard not to pay taxes.
 
As far as I know, once a court (especially the supreme court) makes a ruling, you shouldn't have to worry as much about the issue after that because if you get sued for the same thing, you can simply site the earlier ruling.
 
Yeah that's right, supreme court decision is constitutional and always overrules.

delusional said:
I'm still questioning if I should pay income taxes. I read Tom Cryers case a while ago, and it seemed legitimate. The only problem I have is that my paycheck is already being withheld, which means I have to go to my employer and tell him not to withhold my taxes, because I'm not liable. But if I did that he would think i was crazy or something... So it would be hard not to pay taxes.
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Hollywood director Aaron Russo's film 'America Freedom to Fascism' explains everything, download a copy or order a few and slap that in your employers hands. Tell him to see what he thinks and get back to you, and if he's fine with it your free to make the decision.
 
What happens if you don't pay your income taxes? Do they sue you and then you have to go through a huge legal process to get away with it?
 
tehsolace said:
What happens if you don't pay your income taxes? Do they sue you and then you have to go through a huge legal process to get away with it?
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you go to jail. That's how they nailed Al Capone. Income Tax Evasion.
 
don't they have to cite some law that you broke before they can hold you? ie "John Smith you are under arrest for _______"
 
The IRS is scary. Those people are monsters, and have more torture chambers than the CIA.
 
Their UK counterpart, HM Revenue and Customs is the most efficient wing of the government that you have ever seen.

Well, when it comes to collecting taxes it is. When it's giving out tax credits or whatever, that's a different matter.
 
kirovman said:
Their UK counterpart, HM Revenue and Customs is the most efficient wing of the government that you have ever seen.

Well, when it comes to collecting taxes it is. When it's giving out tax credits or whatever, that's a different matter.
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You can always count on governments to be really good at taking your money.
 
clarky003 said:
Hollywood director Aaron Russo's film 'America Freedom to Fascism' explains everything, download a copy or order a few and slap that in your employers hands. Tell him to see what he thinks and get back to you, and if he's fine with it your free to make the decision.
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I actually found Tom Cryers memorandum a lot more convincing than Aaron Russo's film since Russo goes into a lot of stuff other than taxes.
And Cyrers memorandum has it in a nice format.

http://www.gcstation.net/liefreezone/THEMEMORANDUM.pdf
 
hydrometeor said:
Judicial precedent clearly shows that people must pay income tax. If you don't pay, and you win your case in criminal court, then it means the jury was retarded.
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*Slaps forehead* lol no, it's a supreme court ruling. The constitutional law does not state that it is mandatory to pay income tax, and therefore it is infact an illegal tax that is enforced by authoritarian means. Now either read about it and wise up, or go rub the FEDs swollen balls lovingly some more.
 
So, what would happen to the US if everyone stopped paying income taxes? Anarchy?

BTW, I am not aware of any sources of income the US goverment has besides taxation.
 
clarky003 said:
*Slaps forehead* lol no, it's a supreme court ruling. The constitutional law does not state that it is mandatory to pay income tax, and therefore it is infact an illegal tax that is enforced by authoritarian means. Now either read about it and wise up, or go rub the FEDs swollen balls lovingly some more.
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Your interpretation of the Constitution doesn't matter. Only the courts interpretations do.
 
HunterSeeker said:
So, what would happen to the US if everyone stopped paying income taxes? Anarchy?
The US economy would experience rapid growth and industries would boom. Everyone would become wealthier and it would be easier to find jobs. There are many other sources of income for the government (keep in mind that the income tax has only been around for 100 years)
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hydrometeor said:
HunterSeeker said:
So, what would happen to the US if everyone stopped paying income taxes? Anarchy?
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The US economy would experience rapid growth and industries would boom. Everyone would become wealthier and it would be easier to find jobs. There are many other sources of income for the government (keep in mind that the income tax has only been around for 100 years)
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Wasn't it serfdom before that?
 
kirovman said:
Wasn't it serfdom before that?
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No. The economy's growth used to be higher than today's, and there was a smaller divide between the rich and poor. Also people had much more liberty, so it wasn't "serfdom" as you suggest.
 
hydrometeor said:
No. The economy's growth used to be higher than today's, and there was a smaller divide between the rich and poor. Also people had much more liberty, so it wasn't "serfdom" as you suggest.
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Yeah, but if your economy grows too fast you risk all sorts of trouble such as inflation.

No-one wants a runaway economy, stuff like house-price inflation has caused a lot of people misery in this country.

Economic growth isn't the be-all and end-all.
 
kirovman said:
Yeah, but if your economy grows too fast you risk all sorts of trouble such as inflation.
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This is not exactly true. Inflation is almost always caused by the government trying to leech off the economy. However, you are right in that the economy must be controlled at some level. I don't think an income tax does this at all though. It is just another government tool to oppress the middle class and poor (the rich all escape the income tax by only paying capital gains tax).

No-one wants a runaway economy, stuff like house-price inflation has caused a lot of people misery in this country.
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True. A purely free market is not the solution.
 
hydrometeor said:
This is not exactly true. Inflation is almost always caused by the government trying to leech off the economy. However, you are right in that the economy must be controlled at some level. I don't think an income tax does this at all though. It is just another government tool to oppress the middle class and poor (the rich all escape the income tax by only paying capital gains tax).
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Well it's certainly true that tax (not only income tax) controls the middle class and poor.

The main tool that governments use to curb growth is interest rates though, and this has further curbs on inflation. These high interest rates usually have consequences for those middle classes and poor who have maxed out their loans.
 
kirovman said:
Well it's certainly true that tax (not only income tax) controls the middle class and poor.

The main tool that governments use to curb growth is interest rates though, and this has further curbs on inflation. These high interest rates usually have consequences for those middle classes and poor who have maxed out their loans.
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The thing about the income tax is that the middle class actually has to pay a higher rate than the rich. So it's especially bad. Almost all taxes screw over the poor and middle class, however.

Also, the federal government is very ineffective at proper spending, and in general is a giant leech on the economy. The war in Iraq especially is costly for little or nothing in return.
 
hydrometeor said:
If you think you can show that, then by all means don't pay income taxes. But don't be surprised when you're taken to civil court by the IRS and forced to pay huge fines.
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I don't live in the US ;)

By the way, you shouldn't double post, there's an edit button, you know.
 
HunterSeeker said:
So, what would happen to the US if everyone stopped paying income taxes? Anarchy?

BTW, I am not aware of any sources of income the US goverment has besides taxation.
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That's BS though and you know it, all you have to do is look at how lop sided the spending is in large orders of magnitude on the military industrial complex every year compared to the public services and everything that matters to living in US society.

I mean ffs in 2001 the pentagon even admited they lost track of 2.3 trillion dollars! if they could keep track of that and redistribute funding more evenly then it's more than enough to cover people who shouldn't even have to pay income tax.
 
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