Is it just me....

[seinfeldrules]

Or is this one of the most outlandish, angering stories you have ever read.

http://www.zombietime.com/bus_19_berkeley/

Anti-Terror Demonstration, featuring the Bus 19 exhibit, in Berkeley, on January 16, 2005.

On January 29, 2004, a Palestinian suicide bomber climbed aboard Bus 19 in Jerusalem and detonated his explosives. The explosion killed 11 people, injured 50, and destroyed the interior of the bus.

The mangled shell of the bus was subsequently sent to The Hague, in the Netherlands, where it was displayed outside the International Court of Justice to protest the court's ruling against Israel's separation barrier -- which is intended to prevent attacks exactly like the one that destroyed Bus 19. A Christian humanitarian group now called The Jerusalem Connection subsequently bought the bus and had it shipped to the United States, where, loaded on the back of a flatbed trailer, it has since made stops at anti-terror rallies across the country.

At none of its previous appearances did the bus stir much controversy. Everything was going smoothly until a group called Israel Action Committee of the East Bay decided to bring the bus for a three-hour exhibit in Berkeley, California on January 16, 2005. Word of the upcoming anti-terror rally quickly spread to pro-Palestinian activist groups in the Bay Area, and a counter-demonstration was planned -- based on the complaint that the bus exhibit was "out of context" and failed to illuminate the real "complexities" of the sources of terrorism. Meanwhile, Israel boosters planned to show up in support of the exhibit, and to express their condemnation of terrorism in general.

Shortly before the event, I asked the organizers if they expected a significant counter-demonstration of any kind. A silent vigil, perhaps, they said, but beyond that -- really, who would dare to come out and protest in favor of terror?

I would soon find out...

Before I even reached the site of the bus exhibit, I encountered the protesters gathering across the street. And I realized immediately that the intifada had arrived in America. Silent vigil? Think again...

Here's a transciption of the video:
Man: If you are afraid to die, GET OUT! If you are afraid to die, GET OUT! GET OUT!
Masked Boy: Go back to Germany! Back!
Woman: Allahu Ackbar! Allahu Ackbar!
Boy Without Mask: Go back to Europe.
Woman: (phrases in Arabic)
Boy #3: Allahu Ackbar!
Man: I'm gonna send you [unintelligible]. You are weak! You are cowards! That's what you're all about. Get out if you're afraid to die. We love to die because we --
Masked Boy: Go back to Germany! [unintelligible]. Get [the hell] back to Germany!
...

Many of the younger protesters between the ages of (approximately) seven and sixteen wore masks made out of kaffiyehs (Palestinian scarves). And I was soon to discover further evidence that the Palestinians were using their children as their first line of attack....

I crossed the street to look at the bus next to MLK Park (also known as Provo Park) and listen to the program of visiting speakers scheduled for the event. But we'll get to that in a moment. Before I even made it to the stage area I encountered a trio of very young Palestinian children who had (presumably) been sent by their parents into the crowd of Jews in front of the event stage. All three were holding signs depicting gruesomely mutilated bodies. This child, about four or five years old, held a sign with the words "Organ Thieves" below a photo of a disemboweled corpse -- apparently a reference to the bizarre blood libel conspiracy theory widely accepted in the Muslim world, that Jews steal bodily organs and eyeballs from dead Palestinians. I couldn't tell how many people in the audience grasped the implications of the boy's sign. ..

Palestinian #1: How many people have you killed? You're nothing but terrorist scum. You suck all of American tax dollars, and you use it against an unarmed population. [Notice how he does not distinguish between American Jews and Israeli Jews. -- Ed.} Where's the Palestinian army? Where's our army? All we have is civilians. But guess what? But guess what? With our civilians we will win! We will win. You guys come cry over a, a bus bombing? Where's the --
Palestinian protesters: Hey hey, ho ho! The occupation's got to go! (Repeated several times)
Palestinian #2: [Rushes up to an Israel supporter and yells in his face while dancing back and forth].
Palestinian #3: [Lunges to attack the Israel supporter, but is pulled away in the nick of time.]
Israel supporter: That's right -- you can't! You can't touch this!

...

After a short time observing the bus itself and the main stage, I spent the rest of the afternoon mingling with protesters on both sides on the aisle.

Much has been made of a detail mentioned in the San Francisco Chronicle's article about the Bus 19 event, in which the writer (in an otherwise woefully incomplete description) quotes the Palestinian protesters chanting "Two, four, six, eight, we are martyrs, we can't wait." Could it possibly be true -- did they say that? No one (at least that I've encountered) who was present that day remembers hearing them say it, and many people who weren't there simply refuse to believe it happened.

Well, I have proof not only that it happened, but that the chant also had another part that the Chronicle reporter misssed. I was quite a distance away when the chant started, but by sheer luck I was able to make a recording of it -- which I present here:

Click here to hear a group of Palestinian protesters chanting in praise of Islamic "martyrdom" (mp3 file, 570kb). Please note that the sound quality of the audio clip, due to the circumstances of the on-site recording, is rather low; extraneous environmental noise makes the chanting hard to hear, especially at the beginning of the clip when the protesters had not yet coordinated their chanting. As the clip progresses, however, the words become clearer. Here's the transcription:

Palestinian protesters: One, three, five, seven, all our martyrs go to heaven!
Two, four, six, eight, we are martyrs, we can't wait!
One, three, five, seven, all our martyrs go to heaven!
One, three, five, seven, all our martyrs go to heaven!
Two, four, six, eight, we are martyrs, we can't wait!
Two, four, six, eight, we are martyrs, we can't wait!
One, three, five, seven, all our martyrs go to heaven!
One...
[The sound of a shofar (a Jewish musical instrument made from a ram's horn played during religious ceremonies) blown by a pro-Israel protester drowns out much of the rest of the chanting.]
Two, four, six, eight, we are martyrs, we can't wait!
Allahu Ackbar!
Allahu Ackbar!
Allahu Ackbar!
[Phrases in Arabic.]

This chanting happened in the United States.

The part with the children especially infuriated me.

 

[Scoobnfl]

The part with the children especially infuriated me.

What do you expect from people that believe, strapping explosives to themselves and subsequently blowing themselves up and killing innocent people, will get them into heaven?

72 virgins

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Sickening, just.. horrible

 

[satch919]

Damn. Another reason why I hate religion. It breeds hostility.

Using innocent children like that too. DAMN!!! What the hell are they thinking? They use their own children to spread hate.

If these people are so eager to see their 72 virgins, why don't they just put a gun in their mouth and pull the trigger?

Sickening.

 

[Ranga]

Robin Williams does a lovely scene on this topic of 72 virgins in his "Live on Broadway" performances.

 

[GiaOmerta]

What do you expect from people that believe, strapping explosives to themselves and subsequently blowing themselves up and killing innocent people, will get them into heaven?

72 virgins

They get none if you cover them in pigblood before you shoot them.

 

[qckbeam]

Robin Williams does a lovely scene on this topic of 72 virgins in his "Live on Broadway" performances.

"Where are my bitches?"
"Here are your raisins!"

In all seriousness now, that’s just terrible. The incredible amount of hatred displayed there is appalling, and quite frankly, makes me sick to my stomach. And exploiting children like that...that sickens me...it's infuriating really.

 

[Scoobnfl]

They get none if you cover them in pigblood before you shoot them.

you ever read about how Gen. Blackjack Pershing dealt with Islamic Extremists in the philipines?

 

[Kommie]

you ever read about how Gen. Blackjack Pershing dealt with Islamic Extremists in the philipines?

I wanna know, I wanna know!

I just cant put into words my disgust for both sides of that. I don't know who's worse the anti-israelis for being so anti-semitic or the people egging on the terrorists.

 

[KoreBolteR]

if some people in the west believe that places like this are "democratic" and "normal", and places in the west are bad, that state proves them all wrong. it makes me sick, that bit where they are not respecting the Germans 1 bit

theres trouble in the future there if kids there are kept being brought up to this sort of hatred and extremism against every other country in the world. :flame:

Here's a transciption of the video:
Man: If you are afraid to die, GET OUT! If you are afraid to die, GET OUT! GET OUT!
Masked Boy: Go back to Germany! Back!
Woman: Allahu Ackbar! Allahu Ackbar!
Boy Without Mask: Go back to Europe.
Woman: (phrases in Arabic)
Boy #3: Allahu Ackbar!
Man: I'm gonna send you [unintelligible]. You are weak! You are cowards! That's what you're all about. Get out if you're afraid to die. We love to die because we --
Masked Boy: Go back to Germany! [unintelligible]. Get [the hell] back to Germany! .

 

[Bodacious]

you ever read about how Gen. Blackjack Pershing dealt with Islamic Extremists in the philipines?

That isn't even true.

It is bad what terrorists do but to kill people with pig blood soaked bullets would be downright evil.

 

[burner69]

I have to agree with satch, just confirms my belief that religion often does more harm than good.

This pigsblood thing tho... this is what Al Quaeda believes stops them getting into heaven... or whatever their alternative is? Surely this could be exploited to increase the chances of actually scaring them, because at the moment they clearly want to die.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Surely this could be exploited to increase the chances of actually scaring them, because at the moment they clearly want to die.

I'm sure it is.

 

[Scoobnfl]

I wanna know, I wanna know!

I just cant put into words my disgust for both sides of that. I don't know who's worse the anti-israelis for being so anti-semitic or the people egging on the terrorists.

I'll point you in the general direction.

Brief history lesson here.

In the 1200's Islam made it's way to the phillippenes, indonesia and other parts of south asia by islamic missinaries and traders.

In the 1500's Spain colonized the phillippenes and upon discovering the inhabitants of many of the phillippene islands were muslim the spanish gave them the name moro, from the moors which the spanish fought in the 700's.

In the Spanish American (late 1800's) war we defeated Spain and as a spoil of war we received Spains Colonies, one of which was the Phillippenes.

Pershing was in the phillipenes from 1899-1903 and fought to subdue the moro in the areas and islands around mindinao. Intermediate success was achieved and an acceptable amount of stability/non-hostility was in place for a few years. Fighting broke out again and Pershing returned and stayed from 1909-1913 where he was the gov. of the mindinao province.

The tactics used to fight these guerillas were brutal. There is a "storie" floating around about feeding moro prisoners to pigs or something like that which seems a bit over the top, but diaries and letters home from men serving there at that time confirm the brutality with which the campaign was waged. It really got bad when the region was opened up to christian colonization in 1912.

 

[Korgoth]

Once again, yes extremists (of any kind) are sick, vile, idiotic, scumbags.

Btw, awesome site you got there not pro bush or pro israel what so ever.

 

[Scoobnfl]

did anyone watch the video on there? :flame: :flame:

 

[Tr0n]

did anyone watch the video on there? :flame: :flame:

No.

6charlimit

 

[Scoobnfl]

No.

6charlimit

it's infuriating.. seeing anyone treat or speak to another in such a hateful manner really pisses me off.

 

[Gray Fox]

Ahh how nice, living in califronia, a save and good life. And instead of trying to bring peace to your homeplace wanting none of it and wanting war, offcourse while at the same time still living a nice and comfortable life in the US, I especially liked the part where the in the US living palestinians shouted to the Israelis to go back to germany.


But any, it still doesn't make right what Israel is doing, the wall is a complete travesty, and very much illigel, if you want to protect yourself with a wall, good, you have every right, but don't build it on the soil of your neighbour, then your just asking for it. Look at it this way if you US volks attack two countries just because 3 airplane smashed them selfves on your soil, imagine if someone came in to your country, kicked you out, oprssed your people, well you'd be pissed to.

 

[Tr0n]

it's infuriating.. seeing anyone treat or speak to another in such a hateful manner really pisses me off.

You refering to me?

If so want a teddy bear?

 

[Scoobnfl]

imagine if someone came in to your country, kicked you out, oprssed your people, well you'd be pissed to.

if we attacked Canada, and Canada kicked our ass and took the surrounding countryside from where we launched the attack............... then so be it. It would be in Canada's best interest to seize that land as a spoil of war.

such is war, do not risk what you do not want to lose.

 

[firemachine69]

That isn't even true.

It is bad what terrorists do but to kill people with pig blood soaked bullets would be downright evil.

If they ever DARE step a foot in my neck of the foods, my Super Soaker CPS 3000 is getting filled with pig blood... And they're getting a bath.

They can burn in hell for all I care. (The pro-terrorists, I mean).

 

[Scoobnfl]

You refering to me?

If so want a teddy bear?

no the palestinians talking to the Jews in the video

 

[Tr0n]

Then why did you quote my post then? :|

 

[Scoobnfl]

Then why did you quote my post then? :|

i hoped that you would try to view it where you could, reading the transcript pales in comprison to hearing and seeing their violence and hatred.

didn't mean to offend you.

 

[Gray Fox]

if we attacked Canada, and Canada kicked our ass and took the surrounding countryside from where we launched the attack............... then so be it. It would be in Canada's best interest to seize that land as a spoil of war.

such is war, do not risk what you do not want to lose.

I don't get your point :rolling:

 

[Lemonking]

I say kill all the sand ******z

 

[nicknitro]

I say kill all the sand ******z

hahaha :afro: I would say I agree.. but I have been giving warnings about expressing my opinions (that are different then the mods) on this forum.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

It is bad what terrorists do but to kill people with pig blood soaked bullets would be downright evil.

Are you actually serious here? You've got to be kidding.

 

[burner69]

hahaha :afro: I would say I agree.. but I have been giving warnings about expressing my opinions (that are different then the mods) on this forum.

Because you are unable to distinguish between a reasonable opinion and a racist opinion.

Like the one made above by lemon king.

"kill all the sand whatevers"

Which group of people does that encompass then? How many of those people would be innocent?

It's like saying "kill all Iraqis" it's racists, and just not fair - you can't lump people into categories and treat them the same.

 

[nicknitro]

Because you are unable to distinguish between a reasonable opinion and a racist opinion.

Like the one made above by lemon king.

"kill all the sand whatevers"

Which group of people does that encompass then? How many of those people would be innocent?

It's like saying "kill all Iraqis" it's racists, and just not fair - you can't lump people into categories and treat them the same.

Oh please I see people say stuff that cataglorize Americans all the time on these forums and no one says a word.

 

[Eg.]

i thought the story was about McArthur during WWII, the muslims were rebellion when the japanese were invading, and the gen ordered that all killed muslim rebels were to be buried in pigskin, stopped in a week. i read about this in a history book about bloody civilian-control practices all the way backt to the romans, decimantion

 

[CptStern]

I say kill all the sand ******z

hey it was martin luther king day the other day and february is black history month ..bet that stews yer termato! doesnt it? eh? eh? spew your racist attitudes somewhere else, you're not welcome here ..or better yet call someone who cares

 

[burner69]

Oh please I see people say stuff that cataglorize Americans all the time on these forums and no one says a word.

I say "The US does this, it is sick" I never say "Americans are stupid" because they're not. I direct my problems to the US's government, not it's people.
Bite me

 

[K e r b e r o s]

But any, it still doesn't make right what Israel is doing, the wall is a complete travesty, and very much illigel, if you want to protect yourself with a wall, good, you have every right, but don't build it on the soil of your neighbour, then your just asking for it. Look at it this way if you US volks attack two countries just because 3 airplane smashed them selfves on your soil, imagine if someone came in to your country, kicked you out, oprssed your people, well you'd be pissed to.

Well, if they had'nt attacked us ... we would'nt be in Iraq, or Afghanistan. Nethire would the UK, and the whole world would be fine ... right?

I say "The US does this, it is sick" I never say "Americans are stupid" because they're not. I direct my problems to the US's government, not it's people.
Bite me

You dont say were all stupid, but you do say were all disgusting.

 

[GiaOmerta]

you ever read about how Gen. Blackjack Pershing dealt with Islamic Extremists in the philipines?

My dad was telling me that they took 50 of them. Covered 49 with pigblood. Had the 49 dig their own graves shoot them and let the last one go.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

There have been a couple updates to the website- read it, it gets even worse.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yep. Sure does.

So, what would the world like me to think of these people?

[Oh, and dont add later commentary about the following: Israel, Bush, Bush, Bush, IDF, Israel, Bush, War for Oil, Oil, Natural-Resources, Chechnya, Iraq, Bush, Afghanistan, Bush, Michael, Moore, Michael Moore, Bush, RatherGate, Dan, Dan Rather, Rather, New York City, New, York, City, USMC, US, MC, ARMY, Other extremists, Christians, Christian right, Steven Spielberg, Germany, France, Crackers, and Oat-meal teddy bears]

 

[Lemonking]

hey it was martin luther king day the other day and february is black history month ..bet that stews yer termato! doesnt it? eh? eh? spew your racist attitudes somewhere else, you're not welcome here ..or better yet call someone who cares

Martin was a fine guy he fought for rights for people that didnt have the rights they desrved but thesa guys in the east on the other hand...FOR ALAH.... BOOOM a hole bus blows up and more and more peolpe die every for there moon god
the whole eatsern culture was very advanced until a few 1000 years ago they just stoped and all they do is pray to Alah
but look at Turkey its a religous country but state and religion are devided as it should be and now there doing fine in a few years even there gonna join the EU thats fine with me as long they dont come with tha religion BS

 

[Scoobnfl]

My dad was telling me that they took 50 of them. Covered 49 with pigblood. Had the 49 dig their own graves shoot them and let the last one go.

I heard a similar story, there is no "official" record of that happening though, not that I expect there would be either. Snopes and the other sites say that story is false when there is no way to tell for sure.

The generals memoirs and letters home from men over there at the time tell of brutal fighting against the moro with no quarter given by either side, that is what I was referring to.