Islam - A murderious religion?

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This sort of came into my head just now.

Please ignore all terrorism and things like that, I want to talk about the Sharia Law and in particular Christian converts.

Under Sharia Law, if a Muslim decides to convert to any other religion, like Christianity, then the person will be executed for abandoning his religion.

I remember reading this whole case, where an Afghan man converted to Christianity and moved to the UK. Well in Afganistan, he has been put on the death sentence and the Afghans want to extradite this person so they can execute him.

So, If people are executed for abandoning their religion, surely that makes that religion a murderious one?

What are your thoughts? I know this is VERY contrevesial subject, and I dont want to offend anyone.
 
Yes, certain parts of Islam are murderious, no doubt. But, like in any other religion, there're moderates and extremists, and I'm afraid that the latter steals all the attention.
 
Yes, certain parts of Islam are murderious, no doubt. But, like in any other religion, there're moderates and extremists, and I'm afraid that the latter steals all the attention.
Yeah, you are correct, but the execution of converts is not an extremist view.
 
Interestingly.

Jesus himself demands that all non-Christians should be put to death unless they are atheists.
 
An extremist/moderate dichotomy is a poor excuse anyways.

Moderates are people who don't actually follow their religion's teachings. The religion itself is identical to christianity in the fact that it's murderous as though murder were going out of style.
 
So, If people are executed for abandoning their religion, surely that makes that religion a murderious one?

As Mecha said: Yes, just like more or less every other religion.
 
Mecha is entirely correct. Islam and Christianity are both bloodlusting religions. (probably competing for the number of kills/headshots too, though I think Christianity is winning that front)
 
The Quran has nothing on the Old Testament. You can (and should) be put to death for the following:
  • Rape (in an urban area)
  • Being raped (in an urban area)
  • Murder
  • Preaching a false religion
  • Living in the same town as someone who preaches a false religion
  • Eatting shellfish
  • Eatting pork
  • Sleeping with another man (if you are a man that is)
  • Wearing clothes made of two different types of fabric
  • Planting 2 different crops in 1 field
  • Disobeying your father
Can't think of any others ATM. Also, God will apparently strike you down himself if he catches you trying to live by your own conscience and not by his laws.
 
All that violence in the Torah/Bible makes me want to be religious.
 
and what about women?

women are killed......... as "honour killings", sometimes by her own family, if she has premarital or extramarital affairs.
 
I have a mosque right down the street from me.

Shall I go and try to convert them to a religion other than Islam? If they smite the newly converted infidel, I'll be sure to have pictures and quite possibly video footage using my digital camera.
 
apparently there's also the deal with Muhammad founding a whole bunch of sects of islam but claiming only one of them to be true. basically leaving it up to the followers to fight amongst themselves until the true sect rises to the top. Well needless to say that this has been going on for a long time.

There are people right now killing each other on the grounds that they interpret a single paragraph differently from the Koran
 
The Quran has nothing on the Old Testament. You can (and should) be put to death for the following:
  • Rape (in an urban area)
  • Being raped (in an urban area)
  • Murder
  • Preaching a false religion
  • Living in the same town as someone who preaches a false religion
  • Eatting shellfish
  • Eatting pork
  • Sleeping with another man (if you are a man that is)
  • Wearing clothes made of two different types of fabric
  • Planting 2 different crops in 1 field
  • Disobeying your father
Can't think of any others ATM. Also, God will apparently strike you down himself if he catches you trying to live by your own conscience and not by his laws.

Here are instructions from the christian bible that pertain to what people should be murdered for (with quotes from a mainstream version of the bible):

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.
(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.
(Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

All religions (that are semetic, eg, christianity, judaism and islam) are full of violence.

Oh, and don't forget! Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood! (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB) :D
 
jesus ****ing christ bliink. I never knew all of that!

THANK GOD I HATE ALL RELIGIONS.
 
The fact that religion was basically the only thing used to unite essentially imaginary communities, in a pre-nationates landscape goes a long way to explaining such things.
 
Here are instructions from the christian bible that pertain to what people should be murdered for (with quotes from a mainstream version of the bible):

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.
(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.
(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed.
(Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.
(Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

All religions (that are semetic, eg, christianity, judaism and islam) are full of violence.

Oh, and don't forget! Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood! (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB) :D

No one was compareing it to Christianity which is also a murderous religion.
 
Pre-emptive strike!
:LOL:

Nemesis6 said:
DaMaN said:
(probably competing for the number of kills/headshots too, though I think Christianity is winning that front)
That's a nice conclusion... If you like deranged statements.
Not really - it's probably very accurate, the Catholic Church is possibly the most violent and blood-stained institution ever created
 
Religions probably killed more people than Hitler, Stalin and plague.

I'm looking forward the day religion is exterminated from the face of the planet.
 
Well from what i got tought in history class, it was a peacfull and good religion at the start. But when the skism came between the Shiites and the whatever the other was that had different views on weather or not the decendents of muhammad should rule the religion or not, that is were the violent and extreemist stuff started.
 
For many hundreds of years, whenever pagans or atheists were given the choice to live in either Christian Europe or the Muslim Middle East, they always chose the Islamic empires, because Islam was generally tolerant towards nonbeleivers on a governmental level. They simply made them pay a tax and banned them from government service. In Europe, pagans were demanded to be put to death or converted.

The scism between shiites and sunnis is a deep seeded one, but it is easily comparable to Catholicism vs. Protestantism, which indeed cursed Europe for many years, and only the Englightenment and scientific progress quenched the flames of religious conflict in Europe.

The true solution to our violent religious differences is through education, enlightenment and rational thought. Sure, you sometimes end up with secular dictators, but most secular societies in the world are fairly stable democracies with a happy populace. Theocracy, no matter what the religion, breeds hate, exclusion and violence. Even the puritans were brutal to others who were not like them (witch hunts)...the only theocracy I can think of that did not end in tragedy was the Quaker society, and possibly the Amish.
 
I never understoond conversions ...if someone stuck a hot iron near my face and threatened to use it if I didnt convert to say judaism for example .. I'd convert so fast my foreskin would leap off out of it's own volition ..no religion is worth hot pokers to the bum
 
ALL RELIGIONS ARE MURDEROUS.

Except Buddism.
 
A religion is not capable of murdering someone.

Its followers are (and are supposed to, in most cases).
 
Here are instructions from the christian bible...(SNIP)

How many Christians say/think "Yeah, well, that's leaning on the side of total utter bollocks that is" compared with the amount on Muslims taking every word printed in the Quran as...well, um...Gospel?

For the record; organised religion ftl.
 
A religion is not capable of murdering someone.

Its followers are (and are supposed to, in most cases).


I'm pretty sure saint benedictine was killed when the first printed version of the bible fell on his head, exposing his cranium for all to see .... thy will be done oh lord, oh snuffer of all things living
 
How many Christians say/think "Yeah, well, that's leaning on the side of total utter bollocks that is" compared with the amount on Muslims taking every word printed in the Quran as...well, um...Gospel?

For the record; organised religion ftl.

They're not true Christians if they don't follow all of the Bible's teachings.

Including killing where appropriate.

I'm pretty sure saint benedictine was killed when the first printed version of the bible fell on his head, exposing his cranium for all to see .... thy will be done oh lord, oh snuffer of all things living

God smited him! :O
 
How many Christians say/think "Yeah, well, that's leaning on the side of total utter bollocks that is" compared with the amount on Muslims taking every word printed in the Quran as...well, um...Gospel?

For the record; organised religion ftl.

you mean how the only objection to same sex marriage comes from the religious? specifically christians who scream "the bible says it's a sin!!!"

or abortion, or evolution or science etc etc etc
 
We must make god stand trial for crimes against the conclave!
 
I'm suprised God hasn't been brought before the War Crimes Tribunal, tbh.

I mean they've sentenced fictional characters to death before... like Captain Haddock.
 
I never understoond conversions ...if someone stuck a hot iron near my face and threatened to use it if I didnt convert to say judaism for example .. I'd convert so fast my foreskin would leap off out of it's own volition ..no religion is worth hot pokers to the bum

Followers of Judaism are probably the least likely to say that out of the three Abrahamic religions.
 
Islam itself is no more murderous than any other religion. The only difference is that people in the middle east are following it particularly strictly right now.
 
Followers of Judaism are probably the least likely to say that out of the three Abrahamic religions.


yes I realise that ..I specifically used judaism to better suit my joke about .....


it's less funny when you have to explain it
 
*long list of quotations*

I never though I'd see myself defending Christianity, but here we go:
Are all those from the Old Testament? Because if they are, that would speak more for Judaism than for Christianity. The main message of Christianity isn't to follow old rules, but to follow the example of Jesus. (Although, many who today claim to be Christians are really orthodox Jews, because they spend more time finding quotations in the Old Testament than to read the new.)
 
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