Jeb Bush asks Jack Thompson to write anti-game law

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For more than a decade, Thompson, a Florida-based medical malpractice attorney, has been one the most vociferous critics of the game industry. As outlined on his Web site, Stopkill.com, Thompson says that "Video games are literally 'murder simulators' teaching our kids how to kill." Among other things, he:
--Asserts the original Doom video game had a major role in the 1999 Columbine High School massacre.
--Claims multiple copycat killings across the country were inspired by the Grand Theft Auto series
--Has called the Entertainment Software Association (ESA), the US gameindustry lobby, a "criminal" organization with a "thug" president.
--Says The Sims 2 is packed with easily accessible "full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair."


Repeatedly, Thompson has called for states to pass laws criminalizing the sale of M-for-Mature rated games to minors. Now it appears he may get the chance to pen such a law himself. In an e-mail sent out Thursday, Thompson says he has "been asked by the Office of the Governor of the State of Florida, Jeb Bush, to draft and submit to him and to Florida legislators a bill that will prohibit the sale of violent and sexually explicit video games to minors."

"The Office of Governor Bush has told Thompson that the Governor will sign such a bill if it is placed before him." In his e-mail, Thompson said that he would have the bill ready in the "next several days" so it could be submitted during the legislature's next session. When queried by GameSpot for more details, he would only say that he is the only person thus far who has been asked to submit a bill to the governor's office about M-rated game sales. He did not offer details about what kind of penalties the bill would prescribe for offenders or whether or not said penalties would be imposed solely on the clerks selling the games or also on the establishment selling the game and/or the game's publisher."




I see this as a step towards the final goal of overhauling the rating system by an outside body probably regulated by the government. The implication here is that once laws are in place making it a criminal offense to sell games to minors they'll set the ratings peg one rung lower. M games will have mild violence while Adults Only titles games will have gratuitous violence and nudity ...which will force creators to self-censor in order to avoid an AO rating ...Valve would be immune to this as they've moved to digital distribution ..looks like Gabe has foresight
 
Sucks to be florida. Or really the US in general at this point.

If Thompson tryed this in canada, I can all but guarantee that he would be rightfully ignored.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
Sucks to be florida. Or really the US in general at this point.

If Thompson tryed this in canada, I can all but guarantee that he would be rightfully ignored.

but he will affect canada ..Ubi Soft Montreal, BioWare, Digital Illusions, Rockstar Vancouver, Radical Entertainment all have to abide by those laws despite having offices/development teams in canada. The entire industry will be affected ..it'll have a trickle down effect
 
As a general rule, I don't agree with tools like Jack Thompson... HOWEVER.. what is wrong with a law against selling "M" games to children? People shouldn't be doing that anyways.
 
DreamThrall said:
As a general rule, I don't agree with tools like Jack Thompson... HOWEVER.. what is wrong with a law against selling "M" games to children? People shouldn't be doing that anyways.

I agree ..there should be laws against selling to minors ...when the same thing is done for other entertainment ...I havent been underage for a long time but can minors purchase R Rated dvds?

see if this were anyone but the anti-game coalition (Thompson, Liberman, Yee, Clinton) I wouldnt object ...but they have ulterior motives, I dont trust them to do what is right for the gaming industry
 
For once I agree with your conspiracy theories, Stern. :O
 
heh they're not theories ..they sound perfectly plausible to me ..and that's all that matters ;) :E
 
I don't see what's wrong with selling R-rated dvds or M-rated games to minors anyway, it's not the government's job to decide what content is acceptable for minors. And what on earth is it about M/R-rated items anyway that minors should not see anyway? What is so special about violence or nudity that we cannot allow minors to see it? I find it odd that you can have sex by 14/16 but you can't watch an R-rated movie before 17 just because it contains a nipple.
 
Dammit, my florida!

Now, this is personal! Nobody passes hamfist regulations on videogames in MY state!
 
Flyingdebris said:
Dammit, my florida!

Now, this is personal! Nobody passes hamfist regulations on videogames in MY state!


words to live by:

"First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me."

Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945


ok not really comparable to the holocaust, but hopefully you get my meaning
 
It's been illegal to sell 18 rated video games to minors over here for years, and the UK is still the 3rd biggest video game consumer.

I doubt game developers who make violent video games will start cutting content in order to get the lowest rating possible, if they did that they'd be acknowledging that minors make up a major proportion of their sales, in which case the ESRB (as it is) was useless anyway. It'd make it worse for developers in the long run.

Jack Thompson is a complete jackass who has reacted to this situation like a 12 year old getting bullied at school. However I don't think enforced ratings will be the death of the games industry, it won't be that easy for Thompson.
 
yes but brits arent famous for having knee jerk reactions ...the US on the other hand .............
 
Wait. If I understand that correctly he is writing a bill that makes something already illegal...illegal?
 
ríomhaire said:
Wait. If I understand that correctly he is writing a bill that makes something already illegal...illegal?

I guess that's what all his life amounts to.

Ranting about illegal things, and so introducing legislation to make illegal things illegal.
 
I haven't been in a fight since 8th grade... I'm in college now. I have been gaming since Super Mario Bros on the Super Nintendo, you don't see me jumping on peoples heads do you? How has games made me more violent? Anyone care to explain this to me?
 
operative x said:
I haven't been in a fight since 8th grade... I'm in college now. I have been gaming since Super Mario Bros on the Super Nintendo, you don't see me jumping on peoples heads do you? How has games made me more violent? Anyone care to explain this to me?

they're not "games" they're "murder simulators" :O
 
operative x said:
I haven't been in a fight since 8th grade... I'm in college now. I have been gaming since Super Mario Bros on the Super Nintendo, you don't see me jumping on peoples heads do you? How has games made me more violent? Anyone care to explain this to me?

[SARCASM]I stomped a few Goombas after taking Magic Mushrooms the other day[/SARCASM]
 
hmmm were they "made-men"? or just "soldiers"?
 
Neither, huge walking mushrooms! And their friends, the Koopa Troopas!

I tell you, this video gaming lark has to stop before someone gets hurt by Bowser's minions!

^^Which is pretty much the ridiculous level of debate that Jack Thompson is open to^^
 
Although when i first played metal gear solid on psx, i had the urge to go sneak around my aprtment complex pretending i was being chased (4th grade). Should i feel guilty?
 
/me goes to play metal gear solid: VR missions for more training...
 
Nintedo's evil plot... most of their games are T or E.

With these laws enforced where only adults may only purchase M and AO videogames, this leaves teens and children only to purchase T and E games, when they're alone.

Gabe Newell, is the leader of the Alliance.

*Salutes*
 
Haha, Riomhaire went straight to the heart of the matter.
 
I have no problem with this applying to m rated games. It's just with JAck he will probably ban the sale of 'violent' games, not M rated. That would include pretty much every T rated game and a handful of E rated games :/
 
So what will this do?
Wal-Mart and Target already wont sell games to minors, all this is doing is nothing...the mom and dad will just buy it for there kid....The kid is the parents responsibility, if the parent believes that a game with killing cops and sex is ok for there child well thats THE PARENTS FAULT. It isn't the games. It isn't the kids. If the parent lets the kid by the game the parent is saying "My kid is old enough to play this game". Theres nothing more to discuss. Going after developers isn't what should be done. Going after the parents, telling the parents that it's not ok to let there 8 year old play GTA or Killzone, we must inform the parents that is the only flaw that is going on.
There are some kids who wont go "omfg im gonna murder cops now cuz in GTA I do it all the time". Yes some kids are just ****ing insane and shouldn't be allowed, and the parents should relize this and not let them play the games.

God Jack is so ****ing stupid. He isn't doing shit.
 
Part of me calls bullshit. It's a little publicity stunt.

Then the other part of me says that, considering the amount of idiot politicians that exist, it's true.
 
"First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for video games, and i was forced to strafe double jump headshot the fat lot of them while spamming nades."
 
oh snap...he's writing a law to do the same thing thats already in effect. :O
 
Flyingdebris said:
"First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for video games, and i was forced to strafe double jump headshot the fat lot of them while spamming nades."
I had to laugh.

If they ban video games. I bet you, within 1 month, there will be atleast 1 assassination within the first week. The victim would probably be Jack Thompson, then crimes will increase. They are fairly stupid to think getting rid of video games will decrese crime, when infact, it will do the opposite.
World War 3 anyone?
Ok... not WW3, but, you know what I mean.
 
CptStern said:
Repeatedly, Thompson has called for states to pass laws criminalizing the sale of M-for-Mature rated games to minors.
what a BITCH! grab your torches men, this asshole is trying to prevent smut from going into the hands of minors! LETS KILL HIM. :dozey: this is getting tired.
 
Shinobi said:
read the news story update

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/38937


aparently jeb bush kows nothing about it and jack is pretty much outright lying


hah he's quite the nutcase:

In a telephone conversation with Mr. Thompson today, he told INQ hacks that policy advisors to the Governor contacted him – as opposed to Thompson contacting the office of Governor Bush as the press office is telling us – and that he would be willing to go under a polygraph – lie detector to you and me – to confirm this


"though Thompson says that he is too busy drafting the legislation to bother having a tit-for-tat verbal battle and he considers his position clear and the matter closed"


I predict sooner or later he will have a nervous breakdown, go on a shooting spree at the local chucky cheese screaming WONT SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! and plead inncoent due to insanity saying that games drove him to kill :rolling:


gh0st said:
what a BITCH! grab your torches men, this asshole is trying to prevent smut from going into the hands of minors! LETS KILL HIM. this is getting tired.

dont respond, simple as that
 
It's up to your parents to judge, based on the ESRB rating, whether or not you should be playing certain games... not the government. If your parents don't pay enough attention to your life and let you do anything, that's their fault. I guess the next step would be making talking to your children about sex illegal unless they're 18. Then, television channels would be fined for talking about violent crimes on the news... because the signals are broadcast freely in the air... able to be picked up by anyone with a TV antenna. Where will the line be drawn dividing parents' responsibilities and those of the government? Will you enjoy your impenetrable moral protection bubble? I won't. I want to live in the real world... not Jack Thompson's wet dream.

Now, if the owner of a business doesn't want to sell them to minors... that's fine, because it's self regulation... and it's generally good for business. When the government steps in it's attempting to regulate morality. In most of the USA, (last time I checked) it's not illegal for children to get into R-rated movies... but it's common for theaters to require parental permission/supervision. That's the way game sales are right now (last time I checked)... and the way they should stay.
 
Oh Mr. thompson...

one day he's going to piss off the wrong gamer, step outside, and BA-BA-BAM, Headshotted 3 times by some aimbotting,wallhacking, speedhacker, who screams out "lololol zergrush!!!11111 kekekekeke ^_^" and bunnyhops away
 
When people go around yelling "Lets kill the bastard" your pretty much agreeing with what Thompson is saying.

I say we all buy him a huge bunch of flowers and wait for his reaction.
 
CptStern said:
dont respond, simple as that
ill stop responding when you stop posting this idiotic drivel, and quit your stupid slippery slope theories that somehow video games are going to be annihilated. they wont any more than rap music during tipper gore's day.
 
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