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As there is lots of debate around racism, i have to remind you that the term "race" is just our invention, to categorize living organism!

Man came from one being and it evolved in Africa, so basicaly our ancestors were all black people. This goes for you "racists" who like to make use of this term for making arguments (like, white people are better, etc.)

I'm not being intrusive, but it's a good thing to have this in mind!



That's why i like to categorize people on their behaviour not based on their apearence...but that is probably everyones system here!?

I've watched a documentary on discovery who proved this theory, but thats a lame argument...so here:

http://www.onelife.com/evolve/manev.html#C



Homo erectus lived between 1.8 million and 300,000 years ago. It was a successful species for a million and a half years. Early examples had a 900cc brain size on the average. The brain grew steadily during its reign. Toward the end its brain was almost the same size as modern man, at about 1200cc. The species definitely had speech. Erectus developed tools, weapons and fire and learned to cook his food. He traveled out of Africa into China and Southeast Asia and developed clothing for northern climates. He turned to hunting for his food. Only his head and face differed from modern man. Like habilis, the face had massive jaws with huge molars, no chin, thick brow ridges, and a long low skull. Though proportioned the same, he was sturdier in build and much stronger than the modern human.
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which then evolved into

Homo sapiens sapiens first appeared about 120,000 years ago. Modern humans have an average brain size of about 1350 cc.
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jverne said:
i hope they do!? thats why it's a reminder
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Racism is more than just saying "We're all human beings, man". Some people believe that the different evolutionary paths taken by people in Africa, Africans evolving more favourable towards physical stuff, and Europeans evolving more favourable towards mental things.

These are not my views, by the way.
 
most people confuse race to mean ethnicity. How many people know that people from India are considered "caucasian"? (not you guys of couse cuz as Tron said: "you B smrt")
 
CptStern said:
most people confuse race to mean ethnicity. How many people know that people from India are considered "caucasian"? (not you guys of couse cuz as Tron said: "you B smrt")
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I didn't know that. Interesting. You learn something new every day.
 
in some cases a few things a day ....hmmm feth huh? Ididnotknowthat :)
 
Caucasian is now frowned upon- it's no longer acceptable terminology :O Although it is in some circles. Gah.

It's happened with everything from neuroses to computer components- sometimes, of course, the drive to avoid causing offence is a little too enthusiatic.

Anyway, it's a good point to raise nontheless.
 
Edcrab said:
Caucasian is now frowned upon- it's no longer acceptable terminology :O Although it is in some circles. Gah.

It's happened with everything from neuroses to computer components- sometimes, of course, the drive to avoid causing offence is a little too enthusiatic.

Anyway, it's a good point to raise nontheless.
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Caucasian used to describe white people was a hopelessly inaccurate term anyway.

Where are the Caucasian regions actually located in the world? In the ex-USSR states I believe, South of Russia.
We might as well have termed white people as Translyvanians, they're similar geographical areas.
 
Edcrab said:
Caucasian is now frowned upon- it's no longer acceptable terminology :O Although it is in some circles. Gah.
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Really? I heard it all the time on the X-Files with Scully doing her post-mortems.
 
caucasian is a set of physical characteristics ..at least the modern day meaning of it is

someone mentioned that it used to mean a specific region ..the Causcaus region which included 3 languages: Chechen, Abkhaz, and the Kartvelian
 
Feath said:
Really? I heard it all the time on the X-Files with Scully doing her post-mortems.
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Oh, so did I- and in the film Patriot Games and old episodes of the Bill and all sorts. But- as kirovman pointed out- it was ultimately poor as an indentifier and I'm not surprised that the political/scientific community is trying to phase it out.
 
jverne said:
As there is lots of debate around racism, i have to remind you that the term "race" is just our invention, to categorize living organism!

Man came from one being and it evolved in Africa, so basicaly our ancestors were all black people. This goes for you "racists" who like to make use of this term for making arguments (like, white people are better, etc.)

I'm not being intrusive, but it's a good thing to have this in mind!



That's why i like to categorize people on their behaviour not based on their apearence...but that is probably everyones system here!?

I've watched a documentary on discovery who proved this theory, but thats a lame argument...so here:

http://www.onelife.com/evolve/manev.html#C





which then evolved into
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But your argument is faulthy and will not convince a rasist, casue he can then say. So what, we also evolved from a single cell organism in to human beeings, does that mean we should treat bacteria equally as men. Or he/she could say, yes we were once the same race/color, but we evolved in to superior beeings and blacks didn't.

(do note that I'm not a racist, I'm just think the reasoning is flawed)
 
Blacks and Caucasians however are different sub-species of humans. We all identify Poodles and Huskeys as dogs but they are also quite different. Of course the differences between humans are never that extreme but the same idea applies.

Also when white people say Blacks are inferior they usually do realize that at one time all humans were in essence blacks. However they view white people as being higher in evolutionary terms than Blacks.

Of course anyone who thinks that they are of a superior race is automatically labeled in my book as either been raised with twisted ideals or are themselves inferior in mind to the rest of the population.
 
The Mullinator said:
Blacks and Caucasians however are different sub-species of humans. We all identify Poodles and Huskeys as dogs but they are also quite different. Of course the differences between humans are never that extreme but the same idea applies.

Also when white people say Blacks are inferior they usually do realize that at one time all humans were in essence blacks. However they view white people as being higher in evolutionary terms than Blacks.

Of course anyone who thinks that they are of a superior race is automatically labeled in my book as either been raised with twisted ideals or are themselves inferior in mind to the rest of the population.
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The DNA of different dogs is more diverse than different races of humans. I think.

I also read that one group of chimpanzees have more diverse blood than any people from any race.
 
kirovman said:
The DNA of different dogs is more diverse than different races of humans. I think.

I also read that one group of chimpanzees have more diverse blood than any people from any race.
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Like I said the differences between humans are no where near as extreme as that between dogs. However I just don't see how it can be possible to say that blacks and whites are the same species of humans. We are different physically thanks to our geographical points of origin. In the mind however (where it really counts) I really don't think there even is a difference.
 
The Mullinator said:
Like I said the differences between humans are no where near as extreme as that between dogs. However I just don't see how it can be possible to say that blacks and whites are the same species of humans. We are different physically thanks to our geographical points of origin. In the mind however (where it really counts) I really don't think there even is a difference.
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I know what you're trying to say, but I would say "race" rather than species. Species is a more broad term, humans could be described as a species, and a lesser sub division within this species would be known as a "race"

There aren't that many physical differences, apart from the obvious skin colour, but it is just that isolated groups will find one dominant gene emerging, whereas in another isolated group they are not exposed to that gene.
Evolutionaryly, we are not different(much), but certain genetics just went in different directions during the mass migrations of humans.
 
Because of semantic shift it's now debatable as to what "race" even means anymore.... but it's interesting to note that less than 1% of our DNA determines our skin colour, the primary definer for a person's "race". That's why any kind of prejudice on those grounds is laughable in a scientific as well as ethical sense.
 
Edcrab said:
Because of semantic shift it's now debatable as to what "race" even means anymore.... but it's interesting to note that less than 1% of our DNA determines our skin colour, the primary definer for a person's "race". That's why any kind of prejudice on those grounds is laughable in a scientific as well as ethical sense.
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1%...hmm, didn't know that!

yes, dogs have more diverse DNA than humans between themselves!

However I just don't see how it can be possible to say that blacks and whites are the same species of humans.
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yes we are!

I really don't think there even is a difference
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true, there is no difference!





P.S. on SKY news there was a quick summary of "Iran" and it's culture once, one interesting point it mentioned is that "Iran" means "land of the aryans"...hmm...stupid Hitler, he didn't even know what he was talking about! :frog:
 
there are other physical differences between races aside from skin color

caucasians often have steeper foreheads, blacks wider nostrils and more pronounced lips, east asian peoples have narrower eyes etc

its as someone said - we are all from different dub species of the same main species - homo sapiens

and the word caucasian is used in autopsies, police reports etc, things like that as an identifier.
 
different races have different norms and attaduts, i think thats were the hate comes from
 
http://www.goodrumj.com/CavalliS.html

Very good article on the subject of inter-species differences between humans. We are the same species but there are different sub-species of humans which are also called races.

Dogs are the same way since a species is defined as: A set of individuals who can interbreed and have fertile progeny.
 
eventually there will be only one race..more and more "mixed" couples are having kids..

I don't know too many people who can say they are 100% pure whatever race/nationality anymore..

and someday man will be blended together to create the master race!

and I try to help this happen by dating non-white chicks..:)
 
ok, check this out, i'm not racist at all, but almost all jews that i have met or dealt with screwed me over one way or another, so.. it's not like i hate them, but i don't trust them and try to avoid them
for example, i would never hire and jewish person, not because i hate jews, but because i had bad experiences with them, it's llike not buys some sort of food because it makes you sick

tell me, am i wrong?
 
iyfyoufhl said:
ok, check this out, i'm not racist at all, but almost all jews that i have met or dealt with screwed me over one way or another, so.. it's not like i hate them, but i don't trust them and try to avoid them
for example, i would never hire and jewish person, not because i hate jews, but because i had bad experiences with them, it's llike not buys some sort of food because it makes you sick

tell me, am i wrong?
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you ARE wrong ..sorry but you cant judge an entire ethnic group based on the experiences of a handful of people
 
iyfyoufhl said:
ok, check this out, i'm not racist at all, but almost all jews that i have met or dealt with screwed me over one way or another, so.. it's not like i hate them, but i don't trust them and try to avoid them
for example, i would never hire and jewish person, not because i hate jews, but because i had bad experiences with them, it's llike not buys some sort of food because it makes you sick

tell me, am i wrong?
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You've had bad luck dealing with people of a particular race and now you don't trust them. Its a normal human thing to do. Stupid and brought on by bad reasoning being done subconciously by your brain, but still normal.
 
CptStern said:
you ARE wrong ..sorry but you cant judge an entire ethnic group based on the experiences of a handful of people
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but come on, let's say you come across a a specific bread of dogs, and that dogs bits you everytime u mean, wouldn't you automaicly try to avoid that dog? same here, i don't hate jews, and i don't care for them, but i will avoid them, i'm not saying that all jews are bad, no, its just i don't wanna get screwed again
 
iyfyoufhl said:
but come on, let's say you come across a a specific bread of dogs, and that dogs bits you everytime u mean, wouldn't you automaicly try to avoid that dog? same here, i don't hate jews, and i don't care for them, but i will avoid them, i'm not saying that all jews are bad, no, its just i don't wanna get screwed again
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yes but that doesnt make sense ...dogs dont all behave the same.
 
You should judge a human on what aspects they personally have.
All men are NOT born equal, no matter what race someone is they can be a saint or a bastard.
"Don't judge a book by it's cover" comes into mind here.

There are general differences in different breeds of human but because of environmental variation it is impossible to say anything about what a breed is like.

Humans are pretty close as far as ability goes, i don't even attempt to say which breed it better at which.
 
CptStern said:
yes but that doesnt make sense ...dogs dont all behave the same.
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my point is... I don't like to be screwed over, and i will do anything to avoid it
i'm not going around and trying to kill jews, no, just stay away from them (i'm a little hipocrat though, i fell in love with this jewish girl, and she is too good looking to avoid)
 
The Mullinator said:
It does when you go outside a lot and get sunburned. :(

I've always been jealous of that.
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joke about that:
A little black boy runs up to his dad and asks him
"Daddy, why is my hair so curly and stiff?"
"So it wouldn't tangle up in branches while you run though the jungle"-dad anwers
"Why is my skin so dark?"
"So you wouldn't get burned by the hot African sun."day replys
"Ok, so what the hell are we doing in Chicago?"
 
Didn't the aryans come from Mongolia?

EDIT: I was taught that the human specie (Homo), after the extinction of the neandertals, only had one race, Homo Sapiens Sapiens (The Man who knows that it knows).
 
The_Monkey said:
Didn't the aryans come from Mongolia?

EDIT: I was taught that the human specie (Homo), after the extinction of the neandertals, only had one race, Homo Sapiens Sapiens (The Man who knows that it knows).
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