Kerry files FEC complaint against swift boat group

how are they related to the Bush campaign? They are veterns that formed a group to keep Kerry from getting elected. *sigh*

He sure knows how to spend his wifes money...
 
A2597 said:
how are they related to the Bush campaign? They are veterns that formed a group to keep Kerry from getting elected. *sigh*

He sure knows how to spend his wifes money...
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How are they related to the Bush campaign? Well, they're main leadership are all republicans from Texas who have not only contributed heavily to George W.'s campaign but George Sr.'s as well. Not to mention that nearly every single member of Kerry's swiftboat backs up Kerry's story on this matter. As well as the green beret whom Kerry pulled from the river. The guys who wrote this book didn't even serve on the same boat!

What really cracks me up about these guys is that their argument is totally made moot by the fact that George W. Bush wasn't even IN Vietnam. Alright, so they don't think Kerry deserved his medals.....whatever, fine. Maybe he didn't deserve them. At least Kerry voluteered to fight on the frontlines for his country, while George was busy going AWOL in the Air National Guard.
 
Who the hell cares, DarkStar? Kerry made it an issue in his early Campaigns to say he could lead better than Bush in the war against terror, by using his Swiftboat experiences in Vietnam.

Now its getting a political bashing, Waagh!

Its a goal of politics to attack one another--its also a goal to win, so by doing two of the below:

a. Im better
b. Thats not true

Your not making baby jesus cry.

Personally, I dont like Bush or Kerry. Theres noone good this year... :(
 
Well there is a law, called slander...
http://injury-law.freeadvice.com/libel_and_slander/slander.htm
Need I mention one of the men in the ad has already backed down and apologized for what he said.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=5899870
They are being funded by high level members of the republican GOP, including presidential advisor Carl Rove...
Perry, who has donated two-thirds of the group's funding, is described as the largest political donor in Texas. The document reports he has donated $5 million over the past three years to Republicans and conservative causes, including more than $130,000 to Bush family campaigns. Perry also has worked numerous times with Rove to elect Texas Republicans, the document said.
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Please read the article :)
Just more dirty politics.... Ugh, i'll be glad when November has come and gone.
 
"Slander is a Defamation"

But Slander is not a Swiftboat Veteran. :P

Personally, this is just ridiculous. These are just political opinions being tossed around at the weight of a parties name. Who cares? People think this crap is exciting. :dozey:
 
I don't understand this:
"Slander is not a swiftboat veteran"
Of course its not, but slander is the defamatory accusations that these swiftboat veterans made against kerry, and many of whom, i might add, weren't even on the same boat, or even in the same battle at the same time lol
 
I saw those veteran's websites, must be the stupidest piece of shit I ever saw.

I wouldn't even mind so much if they cited examples or gave evidence, but all they did was say "kerry is not a war hero! he is teh sukkc!!!"
 
Alls you can say is Defamatory. Defamatory Defamatory Defamatory. :P


Its like if I keep saying, "Damn Damn Damn Damn". People are asking, "What? Are you okay?" But my only response is, "Damn Damn Damn Damn".

It might sound like im slamming Kerry, but trust me, ask about my opinions for Bush. :P
 
I wouldn't even mind so much if they cited examples or gave evidence, but all they did was say "kerry is not a war hero! he is teh sukkc!!!"
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Defamatory Defamatory Defamatory!
 
dude your not making sense.... i've only said the word "defamatory" once in this thread.

(this makes twice)
 
dude your not making sense.... i've only said the word "defamatory" once in this thread.

(this makes twice)
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Great. I've said it... seven times.

:cheers:

but slander is the defamatory accusations that these swiftboat veterans made against kerry, and many of whom, i might add, weren't even on the same boat, or even in the same battle at the same time lol
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Defamatory. That makes eight. So, slander goes right into Defamatory. Why cant it just be plain good 'ole Slander? ...that makes nine...

Okay, seriously, whats the point of keeping count of how many times a word is said? Whats legitimate to that?

Defamatory is just an exageration word--and considering the Generation of Birth to the year of 1986 seems to be unfamiliar with the record of that word, it seems "Shock and Awe" has taken hold of the American Public, that such a smart word could come out of a Herman Munster.

You cant explain Defamatorian remarks, without trying to relate it with what the other Swiftboat Veterans think of Kerry. Thats kinda' dodgy. Care to illiterate directly, a cite that calls these Swiftboat Guys incorrect?
 
CrazyHarij said:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/20/kerry.swiftboat/index.html

"The Kerry presidential campaign filed a complaint Friday with the Federal Election Commission, alleging that ads from an anti-Kerry veterans' group are inaccurate and "illegally coordinated" with Republicans and the Bush-Cheney campaign."

Haha, these guys never cease to crack me up.
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So, are they opposing Kerry because Kerry said that US troops raped, mutilated and murdered people in Vietnam? I don't see why they are making a big deal out of it - they did rape, mutilate and murder people... everyone knows that.
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Great. I've said it... seven times.

:cheers:



Defamatory. That makes eight. So, slander goes right into Defamatory. Why cant it just be plain good 'ole Slander? ...that makes nine...

Okay, seriously, whats the point of keeping count of how many times a word is said? Whats legitimate to that?

Defamatory is just an exageration word--and considering the Generation of Birth to the year of 1986 seems to be unfamiliar with the record of that word, it seems "Shock and Awe" has taken hold of the American Public, that such a smart word could come out of a Herman Munster.

You cant explain Defamatorian remarks, without trying to relate it with what the other Swiftboat Veterans think of Kerry. Thats kinda' dodgy. Care to illiterate directly, a cite that calls these Swiftboat Guys incorrect?
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Well i kept count because you said thats all i could say, and since i had only said it once at that point i didn't quite understand what you were getting at. And if you read the articles i posted you will see where i get my facts from...

Care to illiterate directly, a cite that calls these Swiftboat Guys incorrect?
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Um, so you want me to "not be able to read or write", directly a cite that calls these swiftboat guys incorrect... I'm not following you here.

And herman munster, where did you get that comparison from? :D
 
only one look at your sig and everything you now say is void
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The Michael Moore Fanboy speaks...lighten up guy! :rolling:

And if you read the articles i posted you will see where i get my facts from...
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Really? I'd account +150 soldiers who were in Vietnam a much more legitimate source then the democrats gasping for air after Bush suprise punches them in the gut.

Kerry apparently just got a lesson in Politics--you wave around enough bait for the sharks, and they come. But heres a lesson to his future trips "under the sea"...dont be in the same cage the sharks come into get their food.

Oh, the Republicans smelt blood, and now everyone is complaining about it. Their favorite party, there one true Golden Savior from a "War Mongering" Bush, just got slapped with a bitterness of political campaigning.

If these are the only two words, or rather, "Figures of accusation" the Democrats can squeeze out, I'll not vote for them. But there again as I've stated, im not voting for Bush either.
 
what about the soldiers who actually served with kerry on the same boat, and the men whos lives kerry saved, they all seem to have no problem backing him and refuting what these other guys are saying, and since the other guys have been paid off... whatever, believe whatever you want. I'm tired.
 
Innervision961 said:
what about the soldiers who actually served with kerry on the same boat, and the men whos lives kerry saved, they all seem to have no problem backing him and refuting what these other guys are saying, and since the other guys have been paid off... whatever, believe whatever you want. I'm tired.
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Not to mention official documentation that contradicts most everything that the SBVFT say.

Face it Kerberos, they are lying, and are doing so with malicious intent and republican funding.

You can say "Well Bush is still okay !!!111 Defamatory lol!" but it doesn't change the fact that these people are liars.
 
Innervision, I know what your saying.

Its just a hotbed of politics and it seems everyone is seperated about it. I view the election times as more of a laughing stock than anything entirely serious.

Has Bush commited himself to everything he's done for his 2001 campaigning? Not entirely.

Kerry has'nt been elected yet, but he was very shaky in the beginning. Now that I know what he stands for, and whats gone on, even from your provided accounts I've decided after my Eighteenth birthday, im casting no vote for either.
 
they are lying, and are doing so with malicious intent and republican funding.
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I would'nt say so. Noone has brought up a source to where they are incorrect besides Newsgroups waging political war with each other, showcasing their "own versions" of the situation.

I've looked at Bushes say, then Kerrys say--do you really think im that stupid to overlook what Bush is doing?

This has become a hugely funded Republican Event. I'm in noway absent to that--but its being funded now, because its effective. Lie or no lie, and Kerry needs to find a way to recover from it, fast.

Calling two words that "hint" to something suspicious, is'int going to cut it.
 
...what he needs to do is pull a swift one like Clinton did for his re-election. That was magnificent campaigning. Bush cant touch that!

since when am i a micheal moor fan boy?
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I dunno, since when are my arguements void because I'am a hypocrit?

Did'nt they teach you anything about retorts in grade school? Surely you played the argueing game of, "My dad can beat up your dad"...?
 
how can any of your points be valid, if you state yourself that your a hyprocrite?
 
The same group made an ad campaign against a democratic governor, where they complained that he had adopted a black baby.
In reality, the child was indonesian.

But in any case, their message was meant to gain the votes of racists. These men are racists and slanderers.

This has become a hugely funded Republican Event. I'm in noway absent to that--but its being funded now, because its effective. Lie or no lie, and Kerry needs to find a way to recover from it, fast.
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Kerry is recovering from it by taking legal action against them, as described in the first post of this thread.
 
The same group made an ad campaign against a democratic governor, where they complained that he had adopted a black baby.
In reality, the child was indonesian.
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Wow...so that was connected?

For awhile now, the media has seperated that from any mainstream mention. I mean, im sure John Stewart said something about it, but...

Got a link? I would'nt mind enlightening myself about the situation. :D

But in any case, their message was meant to gain the votes of racists. These men are racists and slanderers.
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Meant to gain the votes of Racists against the Democratic Govenor. For the situation that came up in this discussion, the swift boat veterans did'nt mention race as a factor. Only Kerry as a legitimate Commander and Chief.

I know Kerry is trying to recover from it...but seriously. Clintons ad campaigns had a very odd and decisive witt to them. Kerry needs to use those implements. :D
 
You can say "Well Bush is still okay !!!111 Defamatory lol!" but it doesn't change the fact that these people are liars.
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LMAO. I just now caught your edit... :cheers:
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Wow...so that was connected?
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Um, it is. They made false statements in an attack ad before, and are doing the same now.
For awhile now, the media has seperated that from any mainstream mention. I mean, im sure John Stewart said something about it, but...
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Actually, that was Former President Bill Clinton, talking on John's Show.
Got a link? I would'nt mind enlightening myself about the situation. :D
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I'm sure you can find a transcript on the internet, but I'm not going to search it out for you.

I guess I'm wastng my time here because, if you have a point, I'm not seeing it. Are you pro-slander? Anti-Kerry? Pro-veterans?
I'm afraid you're not articulate enough for me to fully comprehend whatever stance you hold, thus leaving me with no reason to criticise it.
As far as I can tell, your opinion is just "slander is okay because is funny" for the controversy's sake.
So, I'll leave you to continue expressing it by yourself.
 
I guess I'm wastng my time here because, if you have a point, I'm not seeing it. Are you pro-slander? Anti-Kerry? Pro-veterans?
I'm afraid you're not articulate enough for me to fully comprehend whatever stance you hold, thus leaving me with no reason to criticise it.
As far as I can tell, your opinion is just "slander is okay because is funny" for the controversy's sake. So, I'll leave you continue doing that by yourself.
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Bah! No harm done! :) :cheers:
 
Revisedsoul said:
how can any of your points be valid, if you state yourself that your a hyprocrite?
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All of his points cna be valid if he is a hypocrite. All being a hyprocrite means is that he says something and does another. that has ABSOLUTEY NOTHING to do with how valid his arguments are. A rapist can make 100% perfectly loigically sounds arguments, and they're still perfect arguments. THe fact that he's a racist doesn't make his points less valid.


The same group made an ad campaign against a democratic governor, where they complained that he had adopted a black baby.
In reality, the child was indonesian.
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I thought that was against John McCain when he was running for the republican nomination. (now he would have been an exellent president)
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Oh good lord! :cheers:

Whats the non-dumbed down version Cpt?
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"anyone but bush"


this dead horse has been beaten one too many times
 
I can't understand why it would matter if Kerry OR bush has been in the military, it doesn't have to do SHIT with anything if you want to become president.

Jeez..is all usa thinks of military?..

--

Even tough Kerry's campaign has been based on his military past, but I think that's not a reason to vote on him..

( no i don't like bush)
 
I still don't get these swiftboat guys. Okay, so they don't think that Kerry deserved his medals and therefore is "unfit for command." Fine, maybe he didn't deserve them. At least Kerry went to Vietnam! How is Bush's record any better on this subject?
 
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