Maddox debunks 9/11 conspiracy theory

lol, <3 maddox but there is a problem with his debunking, hes not actually a trained physicist, atleast last time I knew humour wasn't a PhD qualification :p.

I'm still not sure as to what actually happened but there has apparently been new evidence from the study of new footage and metal samples stiring things up lately.

Tell me what you see dripping out of the builiding in this video.

Keep in mind that its not molten aluminium, as molten aluminium retains its silvery colour.
 
Awesome.

Clarky what does the fact that he's not a "physicist" have anything to do with him presenting facts? A fact is a fact no matter who says it, and logic is logic no matter who says it.

Also that could be 1 of a million other things dripping.
 
I'm saying most of the contradictory elements in 911 are the phsyics not the 'facts' presented by the 911 comission report. And there is only a few elements that can be that colour and of that molten consistencey in a building primarily made up of steel, and that is Iron or steel or a combination.

The fact that NIST said none of the samples retrieved from the fires showed evidence of exceeding 600 C when you need over 1500 C to create molten metal raises the question of why we can see molten metal pouring out of the building.

Edit: Anyway I don't want to go into it when a physics proffessor already has because I just end up being fodder for those who dont want to look at the other physical facts that contradict the official theory. It simply raises the question with analysis and provides images of molten metal before and after the collapses and the most likely causes http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
 
Then that must have been the floor of the building where all the white tiles were hot lava.
 
God damn him, I was going to do that. Eventually.
 
clarky003 said:
The fact that NIST said none of the samples retrieved from the fires showed evidence of exceeding 600 C when you need over 1500 C to create molten metal raises the question of why we can see molten metal pouring out of the building.
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Theres the problem though, he doesn't know its molten metal. He doesn't have a ****ing clue what it is. He just assumes it is metal because it supports his conspiracy theory. And when you assume you make an ass of u and me.
 
Did you read the paper atall?, he assumes it's molten steel because of the video footage, the yellow colour which indicates a temprature of 1000C +

The reports of hot molten metal under the rubbel weeks after the collapses.

A video clip provides eye-witness evidence regarding this metal at ground zero: http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video archive/red_hot_ground_zero_low_quality.wmv .
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http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7_files/image004.jpg

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/Molten metal-Sillechia.JPG

Backed up by unusual hotspots from NASA satelite thermal photographs http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/docs/hotspots_usgs.jpg

Molten steel slagg from ground zero.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7_files/image006.jpg

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/intbox.gif Beams with 'white' smoke rising from the ends in the lower section of the building that was not affected by the fire or planes. Indication of a possible thermite reaction.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.h5.jpg Thermite reaction.

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/MoltenCloseup1.JPG yellow hot molten spray coming out of the building

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/Molten2Low.JPG stays hot as it falls

But interpret it as you want.
 
That is still yellow hot 1000 C +, in the video.. he says 6 weeks 'after' the collapse, far above the recorded samples NIST tested the question is what made these specfic areas so incredibly hot? when the fires recorded were unable to exceed 600 C. Those images were taken after at ground zero during clean up, the metal coming out of the building before collapse is molten as you can see by it's behaviour.
 
Haha @ his bashing of Glenn Beck...obviously doesn't get Beck's humor.
 
The fires in the building reached up to 1000 C, at that temperature steel looses almost all of its strength and warps and bends with ease. Besides that there are tons of other low melt alloys used in lots of things like electronics which the WTC was full of.
 
Sainku said:
The fires in the building reached up to 1000 C, at that temperature steel looses almost all of its strength and warps and bends with ease. Besides that there are tons of other low melt alloys used in lots of things like electronics which the WTC was full of.
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Yeah... since the temperature of jet fueled fire can reach 980 C.
 
clarky003 said:
That is still yellow hot 1000 C +, in the video.. he says 6 weeks 'after' the collapse, far above the recorded samples NIST tested the question is what made these specfic areas so incredibly hot? when the fires recorded were unable to exceed 600 C. Those images were taken after at ground zero during clean up, the metal coming out of the building before collapse is molten as you can see by it's behaviour.
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http://www.debunking911.com/

Read up there then come back. You ask a lot of questions that have already been debunked.

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

There is the explanation of what the material coming out of the building is. It just takes research clarky.
 
Lol, his stuff is hilarious.

I remember the first time I watched the Loose Change video to give it it's fair trial, the fact he (The kid who created the video) used that rap-like bass beat in the background was hilarious. It pretty much showed who his targeted money maker group was; young impressionable college/high school kids. :burp:
 
His argument of the kid being alive is pretty dumb. His sudden disappearance or mysterious death would only prove he was right (I'm not saying he is) and possibly incite a coup.
 
_Z_Ryuken said:
His argument of the kid being alive is pretty dumb. His sudden disappearance or mysterious death would only prove he was right (I'm not saying he is) and possibly incite a coup.
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That wasn't the only example. He also said that if our government could plan the worlds largest genocide of its own people and pull it off perfectly then they would be able to shut down a college kids website that proves the conspiracy theories.

Flyingdebris said:
i Believe the conspiracy theorists got own3d this time
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They have been wrong the whole time, they just fail to realize it and grab for straws instead of opening their eyes.
 
Glirk Dient said:
That wasn't the only example. He also said that if our government could plan the worlds largest genocide of its own people and pull it off perfectly then they would be able to shut down a college kids website that proves the conspiracy theories.
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Same thing. If big G shuts him down, it would only prove he was right. They know it sounds far-fetched to most poeple, so they ignore it. It's a waste of time and money that they could be spending on the defense department. :rolleyes:
 
Conspiracy theorists get angry when I invalidate their case for lack of evidence. :imu:
 
_Z_Ryuken said:
Same thing. If big G shuts him down, it would only prove he was right.
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Maddox was arguing that the gov could've shut down the site before it got attention. I understand what you're saying.
 
clarky003 said:
lol, <3 maddox but there is a problem with his debunking, hes not actually a trained physicist, atleast last time I knew humour wasn't a PhD qualification :p.
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yeah and neither are the people coming up with these stupid theories.
 
Here's a few more indisputable facts for you...NOT covered by the so-called "debunking" websites, no, these they'd rather we all just ignore.

1. Bush's chief economist for the Dept of Labor, Dr. Morgan Reynolds has gone public with claims of a government plot on 9-11.
2. former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, has also gone public with similar claims.
3. Congressman Ron Paul (a republican) and Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D) have also gone public with their concerns regarding 9-11.
4. Donald Rumsfeld has stated (twice) that a missile is what hit the pentagon. His interview with Parade magazine is even hosted on the pentagon's own website, you can read it yourself.
5. the FBI confiscated video surveillance tapes from both a gas station and a hotel across the street from the pentagon, the FBI will not release these tapes to the public.
6. CNN's senior pentagon correspondent Jamie Macintyre stated on 9-11 that "from my closeup inspection there appears to be no evidence of a plane having hit anywhere near the pentagon."
7. Rudy Guiliani told Peter Jennings that he had been informed of the collapse of the WTC south tower *before* it happened.
8. transcripts of the firefighters transmissions that day have numerous accounts of "bombs going off" inside the towers. It took until this year to get these tapes released to the public through the FOIA. Listen to them on MSNBC.com
9. news coverage on 9-11 included dozens of eyewitnesses stating that there were secondary explosives inside the buildings, including statements from rescue personnel.
10. Newsday reported that bomb sniffing dogs were abruptly removed from the WTC security the thursday before the attacks, Marvin Bush, our president's brother was the head of Securicom, the company that provided security for the WTC (this tidbit is found in Barbara Bush's memoirs), his contract was set to expire on 9-11.
11. San Francisco Chronicle reported on Sept 12 2001 that Mayor Brown had been given advanced warning not to fly on 9-11, Mayor Brown acknowledged this fact in the Sept 13 edition.
12. many government officials, including John Ashcroft, ceased flying on commercial flights in the weeks prior to 9-11, -MSNBC.
13. WTC7 is mentioned a total of ZERO times in the official 9-11 Commission Report. ZERO.
14. George Bush and Dick Cheney refused to testify before the 9-11 commission under oath, individually, or in front of cameras, they did so in a private room with no video or audio record of their testimony.
15. the US government has admitted to faking the infamous Bin Laden confession video tape. Seriously.
16. the Air Force pilot who shot down flight 93 over Shanksville PA has gone public.
17. The US government was running several (5 to be exact) wargames on 9-11, training exercises which involved the insertion of false radar blips, live hijacking drills, and a drill simulating hijacked planes being flown into the WTC and pentagon. This could be used to explain the mysterious failures of the US air defense systems that day, as they were at best unable to determine what was "real world or exercise". You might even recall hearing an audio clip on the news of an FAA official asking "is this real world or exercise?"
18. 6 of the 19 hijackers were reported still alive after the attacks, and some actually came forth to claim their innocence.
19. there has NEVER been any other steel buildings collapse due to fire, either before 9-11 or since 9-11.
20. The Popular Mechanics article "Debunking 9-11 Conspiricies" (which is linked in post#1) was written by Benjamin Chertoff, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff's own brother.
The significance of this should not be underestimated, because not only do these people control the US government, they control the US media. The "U.S. Government" didn't execute the attacks. People of like mind and money did, and these people have managed to infiltrate nearly every aspect of government and media nearly worldwide. Did you know that George Bush has a brother in charge of FOX news on the West Coast? It is laughable to point to the 9-11 Commission Report in an effort to debunk theories to the contrary, after all, they managed to completely ignore WTC7, the THIRD building in the history of steel and concrete buildings to EVER collapse from fire.
And another thing...anyone who thinks a large number of people can't do something this big and keep it covered up, whitewashed, and distorted, should know that there were literally thousands of people involved in The Manhatten Project and its coverup.
I recommend watching a video called "JFK II: The Bush Connection" in order to fully grasp what kind of influence the Bush dynasty has on America.

"Go back to bed America, your government is in control." -Bill Hicks
"There ought to be limits to freedom." -George W. Bush
"Those willing to give up essential liberty in exchange for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

Sleep tight.
 
You make so many claims yet link to nothing.
 
DietSoap said:
Maddox was arguing that the gov could've shut down the site before it got attention. I understand what you're saying.
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I don't see how that would be possible. They would have to be monitoring him already. If they did somehow get to him before it got attention, even a small group of people would be able to replicate it even then.
 
I can't believe I used to believe this shit, oh well thanks a lot maddox
 
lol i linked someone on aim who was trying to convince me of the conspiracy theory to this today
 
I think if someone's dumb enough to make a conspiricy theory about 9/11, then someone else would be dumb enough to make a conspiricy about that one dude who made the video in the first place if he mysteriously died, even if it was "professionally done" by the government.

Not saying I believe in the 9/11 theory at all (I don't), I'm just playing the devil's advocate.
 
Sam Perna said:
Here's a few more indisputable facts for you...NOT covered by the so-called "debunking" websites, no, these they'd rather we all just ignore.

1. Bush's chief economist for the Dept of Labor, Dr. Morgan Reynolds has gone public with claims of a government plot on 9-11.
2. former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, has also gone public with similar claims.
3. Congressman Ron Paul (a republican) and Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D) have also gone public with their concerns regarding 9-11.
4. Donald Rumsfeld has stated (twice) that a missile is what hit the pentagon. His interview with Parade magazine is even hosted on the pentagon's own website, you can read it yourself.
5. the FBI confiscated video surveillance tapes from both a gas station and a hotel across the street from the pentagon, the FBI will not release these tapes to the public.
6. CNN's senior pentagon correspondent Jamie Macintyre stated on 9-11 that "from my closeup inspection there appears to be no evidence of a plane having hit anywhere near the pentagon."
7. Rudy Guiliani told Peter Jennings that he had been informed of the collapse of the WTC south tower *before* it happened.
8. transcripts of the firefighters transmissions that day have numerous accounts of "bombs going off" inside the towers. It took until this year to get these tapes released to the public through the FOIA. Listen to them on MSNBC.com
9. news coverage on 9-11 included dozens of eyewitnesses stating that there were secondary explosives inside the buildings, including statements from rescue personnel.
10. Newsday reported that bomb sniffing dogs were abruptly removed from the WTC security the thursday before the attacks, Marvin Bush, our president's brother was the head of Securicom, the company that provided security for the WTC (this tidbit is found in Barbara Bush's memoirs), his contract was set to expire on 9-11.
11. San Francisco Chronicle reported on Sept 12 2001 that Mayor Brown had been given advanced warning not to fly on 9-11, Mayor Brown acknowledged this fact in the Sept 13 edition.
12. many government officials, including John Ashcroft, ceased flying on commercial flights in the weeks prior to 9-11, -MSNBC.
13. WTC7 is mentioned a total of ZERO times in the official 9-11 Commission Report. ZERO.
14. George Bush and Dick Cheney refused to testify before the 9-11 commission under oath, individually, or in front of cameras, they did so in a private room with no video or audio record of their testimony.
15. the US government has admitted to faking the infamous Bin Laden confession video tape. Seriously.
16. the Air Force pilot who shot down flight 93 over Shanksville PA has gone public.
17. The US government was running several (5 to be exact) wargames on 9-11, training exercises which involved the insertion of false radar blips, live hijacking drills, and a drill simulating hijacked planes being flown into the WTC and pentagon. This could be used to explain the mysterious failures of the US air defense systems that day, as they were at best unable to determine what was "real world or exercise". You might even recall hearing an audio clip on the news of an FAA official asking "is this real world or exercise?"
18. 6 of the 19 hijackers were reported still alive after the attacks, and some actually came forth to claim their innocence.
19. there has NEVER been any other steel buildings collapse due to fire, either before 9-11 or since 9-11.
20. The Popular Mechanics article "Debunking 9-11 Conspiricies" (which is linked in post#1) was written by Benjamin Chertoff, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff's own brother.
The significance of this should not be underestimated, because not only do these people control the US government, they control the US media. The "U.S. Government" didn't execute the attacks. People of like mind and money did, and these people have managed to infiltrate nearly every aspect of government and media nearly worldwide. Did you know that George Bush has a brother in charge of FOX news on the West Coast? It is laughable to point to the 9-11 Commission Report in an effort to debunk theories to the contrary, after all, they managed to completely ignore WTC7, the THIRD building in the history of steel and concrete buildings to EVER collapse from fire.
And another thing...anyone who thinks a large number of people can't do something this big and keep it covered up, whitewashed, and distorted, should know that there were literally thousands of people involved in The Manhatten Project and its coverup.
I recommend watching a video called "JFK II: The Bush Connection" in order to fully grasp what kind of influence the Bush dynasty has on America.

"Go back to bed America, your government is in control." -Bill Hicks
"There ought to be limits to freedom." -George W. Bush
"Those willing to give up essential liberty in exchange for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

Sleep tight.
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Links or actual proof to back up those claims.
 
Sam Perna said:
Here's a few more indisputable facts for you...NOT covered by the so-called "debunking" websites, no, these they'd rather we all just ignore.

1. Bush's chief economist for the Dept of Labor, Dr. Morgan Reynolds has gone public with claims of a government plot on 9-11.
2. former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, has also gone public with similar claims.
3. Congressman Ron Paul (a republican) and Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D) have also gone public with their concerns regarding 9-11.
4. Donald Rumsfeld has stated (twice) that a missile is what hit the pentagon. His interview with Parade magazine is even hosted on the pentagon's own website, you can read it yourself.
5. the FBI confiscated video surveillance tapes from both a gas station and a hotel across the street from the pentagon, the FBI will not release these tapes to the public.
6. CNN's senior pentagon correspondent Jamie Macintyre stated on 9-11 that "from my closeup inspection there appears to be no evidence of a plane having hit anywhere near the pentagon."
7. Rudy Guiliani told Peter Jennings that he had been informed of the collapse of the WTC south tower *before* it happened.
8. transcripts of the firefighters transmissions that day have numerous accounts of "bombs going off" inside the towers. It took until this year to get these tapes released to the public through the FOIA. Listen to them on MSNBC.com
9. news coverage on 9-11 included dozens of eyewitnesses stating that there were secondary explosives inside the buildings, including statements from rescue personnel.
10. Newsday reported that bomb sniffing dogs were abruptly removed from the WTC security the thursday before the attacks, Marvin Bush, our president's brother was the head of Securicom, the company that provided security for the WTC (this tidbit is found in Barbara Bush's memoirs), his contract was set to expire on 9-11.
11. San Francisco Chronicle reported on Sept 12 2001 that Mayor Brown had been given advanced warning not to fly on 9-11, Mayor Brown acknowledged this fact in the Sept 13 edition.
12. many government officials, including John Ashcroft, ceased flying on commercial flights in the weeks prior to 9-11, -MSNBC.
13. WTC7 is mentioned a total of ZERO times in the official 9-11 Commission Report. ZERO.
14. George Bush and Dick Cheney refused to testify before the 9-11 commission under oath, individually, or in front of cameras, they did so in a private room with no video or audio record of their testimony.
15. the US government has admitted to faking the infamous Bin Laden confession video tape. Seriously.
16. the Air Force pilot who shot down flight 93 over Shanksville PA has gone public.
17. The US government was running several (5 to be exact) wargames on 9-11, training exercises which involved the insertion of false radar blips, live hijacking drills, and a drill simulating hijacked planes being flown into the WTC and pentagon. This could be used to explain the mysterious failures of the US air defense systems that day, as they were at best unable to determine what was "real world or exercise". You might even recall hearing an audio clip on the news of an FAA official asking "is this real world or exercise?"
18. 6 of the 19 hijackers were reported still alive after the attacks, and some actually came forth to claim their innocence.
19. there has NEVER been any other steel buildings collapse due to fire, either before 9-11 or since 9-11.
20. The Popular Mechanics article "Debunking 9-11 Conspiricies" (which is linked in post#1) was written by Benjamin Chertoff, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff's own brother.
The significance of this should not be underestimated, because not only do these people control the US government, they control the US media. The "U.S. Government" didn't execute the attacks. People of like mind and money did, and these people have managed to infiltrate nearly every aspect of government and media nearly worldwide. Did you know that George Bush has a brother in charge of FOX news on the West Coast? It is laughable to point to the 9-11 Commission Report in an effort to debunk theories to the contrary, after all, they managed to completely ignore WTC7, the THIRD building in the history of steel and concrete buildings to EVER collapse from fire.
And another thing...anyone who thinks a large number of people can't do something this big and keep it covered up, whitewashed, and distorted, should know that there were literally thousands of people involved in The Manhatten Project and its coverup.
I recommend watching a video called "JFK II: The Bush Connection" in order to fully grasp what kind of influence the Bush dynasty has on America.

"Go back to bed America, your government is in control." -Bill Hicks
"There ought to be limits to freedom." -George W. Bush
"Those willing to give up essential liberty in exchange for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin

Sleep tight.
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You made an account just to say this? And if half of those facts were true, I'd THINK that they'd be more popular in the media...
 
Wow this was amazing... His whole point was, loose change is invalid because the guys that made it are still alive?... Did I miss something? Namely, the "incredible" and the "debunking" part?
 
Innervision961 said:
Wow this was amazing... His whole point was, loose change is invalid because the guys that made it are still alive?... Did I miss something? Namely, the "incredible" and the "debunking" part?
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Are you really stupid / blind / incapable of reading entire articles?
 
Yes i'm stupid, blind, and incapable of reading. I'm sorry dear sir for offending you by saying something cross about your dear idol.

1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.

2. Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation?

I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my shit, losers.
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That is in fact all I see about 9/11 loose change. Then he goes on to rant about some bullshit about folding a 20 a certain way or something... Where is the rest?
 
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