Martial Arts REVIVED!

[Shift]

This aint a video thread, but I think the topic deserves its own thread.

As I was about to say before the other one was closed:

Strength is only secondary to technique, my sensai told me when starting out (i was a skinny little thing ^^) that doesn't matter how big your muscles are, if you can master the technique, it will hurt lol

 

[Dalamari]

Oh please let this thread end in a major derail/mod uber lock

 

[AKIRA]

Yea, Shift, I was going to say Bruce Lee did combine several different aspects from different types of Martial Arts into Jeet Kun Do which will now be referred to as JKD. I read once he used to mimic Mohammed Ali's foot movements and hand movements in his big fights, he also incorporated some fencing foot movements into JKD as well...I can't remember the other ones he incorporated but there were many.

If you have technique and strength, your body can do EXTREME things to another person, sometimes even surpassing the power of a baseball bat and a crowbar.

Now to give you all a little insight on how extreme the human body can be, i'd like to post this up and let you view it at your own time then comment on it, because this is just insane.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fight+science&search=Search

 

[Shift]

Im sure i have seen those clips somewhere else, I remember watching this hour long program a while ago with my dad, talking about the science behind karate, definately recall the drunken style, where you stagger about to put your opponent off balance and to strike when they dont expect it

Also watched this program about these Sholin monks up in the mountains of Tibet, whos very lives revolve around practising their buddhist faith and practising Kung Fu, as they use it for a source of meditation and disapline. I tell ya, some of the methods they use are shocking, one memorable practice was one guy went outside, put a few layers of a newspaper against a solid wall, and punched it for three hours, removed the paper to reveal a gapping hole in it.

 

[Ennui]

If your thread is locked, don't make another one to continue it. Obviously, it was locked for a reason, and not just to annoy you and make you go out of your way to make a new thread.

Edit: Just kidding. I ought to have read the last thread

 

[Jintor]

Also watched this program about these Sholin monks up in the mountains of Tibet, whos very lives revolve around practising their buddhist faith and practising Kung Fu, as they use it for a source of meditation and disapline. I tell ya, some of the methods they use are shocking, one memorable practice was one guy went outside, put a few layers of a newspaper against a solid wall, and punched it for three hours, removed the paper to reveal a gapping hole in it.

I saw that one. That's my current exercise goal, and probably will be for a few years - I just can't find spare walls like I used to.

Still, my technique is shocking. I need to find time to go to a decent martial arts teacher. My current one is one of those "Pay-me-and-I'll-bump-you-up-to-the-next-belt" ones. Needless to say I'm a mere blue tip.

Tae-kwan-doe's not for me. I sux0r at kicking. I'm gonna go exploring Aikido, or more Karate, or maybe even some judo.

 

[Razor]

Yea, Shift, I was going to say Bruce Lee did combine several different aspects from different types of Martial Arts into Jeet Kun Do which will now be referred to as JKD. I read once he used to mimic Mohammed Ali's foot movements and hand movements in his big fights, he also incorporated some fencing foot movements into JKD as well...I can't remember the other ones he incorporated but there were many.

If you have technique and strength, your body can do EXTREME things to another person, sometimes even surpassing the power of a baseball bat and a crowbar.

Now to give you all a little insight on how extreme the human body can be, i'd like to post this up and let you view it at your own time then comment on it, because this is just insane.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fight+science&search=Search

The stance of JKD is based off of western style fencing. But you have two versions of JKD, you have the traditional version which is what Bruce Lee's students taught his students and then you have the concept version which JKD that has evolved with each master. But JKD compasses Wingchun as it's main frame work, western fencing, western boxing, savate - flashy french kick boxing, karate, muay thai, eskrima/kali, wrestling, juijitsu, then the concepts also includes styles like Silat which is a Phillipino style of fighting similar to Wingchun that includes a lot of destruction of limbs. Bruce also emphasised more classes with lots of sparring, not the huge classes you generally see with Taekwon Do and Karate.

The old asian guy playing with the Kali sticks in the Fight Science video's is Dan Innosanto, Bruce Lee's greatest student and one of the greatest martial artists today.

When it comes to fighting styles, i do JKD, Muay Thai, Eskrima and Kick Boxing. Want to also try and find a JJU or a BJJ class as well close by.

 

[Razor]

Just a reply to some of the people from the other thread - Akira, Muay Thai is completey different to Karate so you might need to modify a few things when you start going there, like your stance and how your body flows. Karate can be very restrictive in the movements and force you to stand very tense when you fight, Muay Thai is a lot more flowing, there is also a heck of a lot more conditioning in Muay Thai as well. But Muay Thai is a fantastic martial art and will definately get you fit and very tough and conditioned, do you have an aspirations of fighting in the ring?

 

[Gray Fox]

This aint a video thread, but I think the topic deserves its own thread.

As I was about to say before the other one was closed:

Strength is only secondary to technique, my sensai told me when starting out (i was a skinny little thing ^^) that doesn't matter how big your muscles are, if you can master the technique, it will hurt lol

I do not agree, there is a reason there are weight classes, even in MMA's . And there is a reason why the muscular heavyweights dominate the open championships. Muscle and the ability to take a lot of pain are very very important. Muscle and weight are of direct influence on every move, and every technique, if you want to be a good fighter, you need muscles, period.

 

[Razor]

I do not agree, there is a reason there are weight classes, even in MMA's . And there is a reason why the muscular heavyweights dominate the open championships. Muscle and the ability to take a lot of pain are very very important. Muscle and weight are of direct influence on every move, and every technique, if you want to be a good fighter, you need muscles, period.

No, smaller fighters are faster, and if they have a better technique, they can still win. Or are you saying a 150lb man can't beat a 350lb man in an mma competition? It all depends on technique and speed, the bigger fights may have the longer reach, be able to absorb more shots and be able to hit harder naturally, but a larger fighter has to fight a smaller fighter differently than they would another large fighter, same with the smaller fighter. If the smaller fighter can adapt to take advantage of their speed, they can beat a larger fighter, but again, it's all down to technique, the better technique wins, whether they be a 75year old 5'7" china man or a 6'5" 26year old 230lb heavyweight fighter.

 

[Shift]

Ok well put it this way, if you had two guys, both really strong but as strong as each other. You had them hit a guy in the face, one guy just swung at him, and the other guy hit him with a punch with perfected technique, its a fact that the second guy will do A LOT more damage to the face than the guy who swings his punches. But you are right to an extent, you do need to pretty strong before you start real damage, but after you have been practising martial arts for two years then you should have good strength all around.

and reply to razor

You are right about karate restricting movement but its about stance, and the way you destribute your body weight. The style I train in has left leg foward and slightly bent, right leg back and straight in parallel lines, just enough to have a even distribution of body weight between the two legs. Left hand out in a open guard, right hand in a fist sitting on the bottom of the ribcage. At first you would be really tense with this stance, but once mastered, you learn to ultilize the stance while keeping the entire body relaxed, and only to tense up just as the punch or kick is about to hit the target. Its a great stance to use in general self-defence. However, the style also allows students to form a free fighting stance for sparring, and encourages students to stay loose on the toes and flow between techniques, I always like swap stance multiple times in quick succession when sparring to put the opponent of balance before sweeping them.

Generally, karate, or my style anyway, is a well balanced martial arts style, as it focuses on kicks just as much as hand techniques, but I think it main emphasis is on mastering the technique and having perfect balance. I tell ya, after the years of doing this style, Im probably more balanced than a ballerina ^^

 

[Razor]

Ok well put it this way, if you had two guys, both really strong but as strong as each other. You had them hit a guy in the face, one guy just swung at him, and the other guy hit him with a punch with perfected technique, its a fact that the second guy will do A LOT more damage to the face than the guy who swings his punches. But you are right to an extent, you do need to pretty strong before you start real damage, but after you have been practising martial arts for two years then you should have good strength all around.

and reply to razor

You are right about karate restricting movement but its about stance, and the way you destribute your body weight. The style I train in has left leg foward and slightly bent, right leg back and straight in parallel lines, just enough to have a even distribution of body weight between the two legs. Left hand out in a open guard, right hand in a fist sitting on the bottom of the ribcage. At first you would be really tense with this stance, but once mastered, you learn to ultilize the stance while keeping the entire body relaxed, and only to tense up just as the punch or kick is about to hit the target. Its a great stance to use in general self-defence. However, the style also allows students to form a free fighting stance for sparring, and encourages students to stay loose on the toes and flow between techniques, I always like swap stance multiple times in quick succession when sparring to put the opponent of balance before sweeping them.

Generally, karate, or my style anyway, is a well balanced martial arts style, as it focuses on kicks just as much as hand techniques, but I think it main emphasis is on mastering the technique and having perfect balance. I tell ya, after the years of doing this style, Im probably more balanced than a ballerina ^^

It's nice to know that there are great Karate classes out there, just too many mcdojos which is what i used to go to until i got bored. But it's a shame that martial artists tend to just stick to what they know and not keep an open mind and explore other styles. Nice to know you're looking at other styles.

 

[Steven]

Martial arts are awesome, I learnt how to bring a guy to the ground in two seconds without punching or kicking him.

 

[Shift]

By pushing him over? Hitting him with a large stick? Running him over?

There are many ways! ^^

 

[Steven]

Yeah but it's a cool way where he doesn't get hurt and get's put in a totally submissive position.

 

[Shift]

I know how to snap a mans knee cap when he is still standing, and break someones arm when on the floor, hell if I was to be really bad, I know to break a guys neck with one strike to the neck, but you to hit them in the exact right place and with enough force.

I always find a swift knee in the happy sacs is the best way to bring a guy down in 2 secs tho

 

[Jintor]

Still practising Shoulder Lock over here.

 

[AKIRA]

Razor, I REALLY want to try out some muay thai...I don't really want to fight in the ring although it would be a really cool experience, I'm mainly doing this for conditioning and for self-defence..there are a lot of bad areas where I live so I need to be really tough...like the other day these group of guys tried to mug my friend after work..luckily he got away without getting stabbed or jumped..

back on topic..

I'd also really like to learn the "sticky hands". I saw a video where a guy was outside a club ready to fight this other guy...all of a sudden 1 of them started going insanely fast with his hands striking the neck, and body multiple times in the span of 2 seconds...when he was finished the guy collapsed on the floor it was teh coolest thing ever. I guess with sticky hands tehy use that chinese wooden dummy..something that i really want to get and practice on.

It was really interesting for me to make the switch over from karate to TKD (tae-kwon-do) because when I was sparring with TKD people...they were extremely good with their kicks...but their punching was brutal. I mean, i'm not hte greatest puncher ever, but i was dominating them in that department.

My advice is do as many martial arts as you can and that way you'll be extremely well rounded and an excellent fighter.

 

[Llama]

It was really interesting for me to make the switch over from karate to TKD (tae-kwon-do) because when I was sparring with TKD people...they were extremely good with their kicks...but their punching was brutal. I mean, i'm not hte greatest puncher ever, but i was dominating them in that department.
My advice is do as many martial arts as you can and that way you'll be extremely well rounded and an excellent fighter.

'Tis very true.
Us TKD boys have a lot of trouble punching since we spend so much time with our legs.
I'd like to start some Thai Boxing, I could do with the conditioning (my fitness levels are fairly good but I'm still soft and squishy )

 

[Razor]

The sticky hands technique comes from Wing Chun and the dummy is the wingchun wooden dummy. I've seen them here priced at around ?250 - ?400, depending if you get one made of real wood or not.

 

[Jintor]

'Tis very true.
Us TKD boys have a lot of trouble punching since we spend so much time with our legs.

...which is a bad thing since I'm a really bad kicker. Shouldn't be doing TKD. When I get back to Sydney I'm going to check out what other martial arts are avaliable.

Maybe do Taekwandoe for another 2 years and see how far I can get, than try another martial art.

By that point hopefully I'll be able to drive, so I can get from place to place without having to bug my parents. That's probably the main reason why I'm not running 3 training sessions a week.