Ministry of defence review of Unconventional Science's

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PDF of the review.

http://newenergytimes.com/Library/2005JonesR-UnconventionalScience.pdf

dstl, a part of the British ministry of defence has reviewed some noteable out of the box science's and tested its own lifter's (Asymmetrical capacitor's) confirming that there is indeed an unexplained phenomenon at work.

Further study is obviously needed, because of the standard explaination's failing to quantify the forces at work. This is becoming more and more likely to be accepted in the mainstream as proof of a physically observable connection between electricity and gravity, and more fundemental interactions that are taking place outside of our 3 dimension's.

Although it took place 10 months ago I believe it only recently became available online.
 
cliffs notes for the science challenged such as moi, por favor
 
Coolio. I love it when people get their hands dirty with the crazy bits. Casimir Effect is where you get the Vacuum Phase Change between two plates, or something, isn't it?

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Coolio. I love it when people get their hands dirty with the crazy bits. Casimir Effect is where you get the Vacuum Phase Change between two plates, or something, isn't it?

-Angry Lawyer
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DSTL are the kind of organisation who are into cutting edge stuff.

BTW is this meant to be public information or what?
 
I fully support the government probing into fringe science, because through suchs investigation you can weed the absolute bollocks from the stuff that actually works.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Yeah, the government puts loads of money into research like this. They expect results, whether the results be positive (i.e. they can use the tech) or negative (not worth further research - for the time being)
 
Water memory
If they can one day transfer the "memory" of particles dissolved in water through a phone line even after there are no particles left, then I, for one, will be extremely impressed.

Podkletnov's Impulse Gravity Generator
Between this and his gravity shielding work, it sounds like the reality of a gravity gun-like weapon are not at all that far off. Amazing stuff that should definitely be considered by any government with a lot of $$$!

Great read! Thanks!
 
VictimOfScience said:
Water memory
If they can one day transfer the "memory" of particles dissolved in water through a phone line even after there are no particles left, then I, for one, will be extremely impressed.

Podkletnov's Impulse Gravity Generator
Between this and his gravity shielding work, it sounds like the reality of a gravity gun-like weapon are not at all that far off. Amazing stuff that should definitely be considered by any government with a lot of $$$!

Great read! Thanks!
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Ah the memory of water, that was a theory for why Homoperthy 'worked'. I belive it was debunked as a Placebo though.
 
Well the DSTL are still actively interested in it, and you would think they of all people would know weither its been successfully debunked or not.

Remember that trying to debunk what may seem like strange physical effects in fringe technology with standard models is highly sketchy, as alot of these fringe science's envolving observed gravity, inertia and mass changing effect's need improved and extended unified models to fully understand.
 
clarky003 said:
It's presentation material made available to the public , so I assume so.
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It looks like a powerpoint presentation to me. It's a shame I don't get the scientist guy with a pointer explaining in-depth all of their points, while clicking a button to make the text go "WHOOOSH! Scalar waves can penetrate lead!" and other little bullet points.

Edit: As for water memory, New Scientist had somewhere in a recent issue how it could be something akin to "hot freezing" of water.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Is there anywhere it says they are still interested in it though? This presentation is dated 2001.

Presentations are fun for going to sleep in! :O
 
I have no idea, but it shows they where actively persuing those technologies, and have set up objectives in the later slides.. so I would assume yes, they probably are still building and developing with their kindof budget.
 
Solaris said:
Ah the memory of water, that was a theory for why Homoperthy 'worked'. I belive it was debunked as a Placebo though.
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Like Angry Lawyer said, there's new evidence as to what could really be going on there and placebo effect it is not--even in the presentation it mentions how memory of water is electromagnetic in origin and, electromagnetic signals being the basis for molecular communication, activity can be passed to pure water by these signals, so there is obviously more work to be done, but its coming along. Glad they are taking this stuff seriously and haven't given up so easily once someone "debunks" it:dozey:.
 
Something to do with hydrogen bond angling, or something. Like the way soap clings to dirt, or how water forms a skin.

-Angry Lawyer
 
So technically if thats true, everything we consider in medicine to be molecular influences are fundementally controlled electromagnetically.. and if that is the true basis, putting these unknown electromagnetic signals to dynamic use may effectively negate the use for all types of common chemical treatment's. and may infact be a way to cure the common cold and all cancer's.
 
Speaking of curing the common cold, they managed to map the HIV virus in full 3D recently, which should help them work out a way of demolating it directly.

If water memory is true, I wouldn't put all medicine down to it. Much of the action of certain drugs is proven at a molecular level, and the placebo effect is a little large to ignore. Just like everything, it'd have its niche.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Much of the action of certain drugs is proven at a molecular level
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Technically we see it occuring at a molecular level making us think the affect is molecular, but any electromagnetic precursor input that is giving the molecular level its information is what is really accountable for its affect.. and the same can be applied to any mass, biological or not.
 
Go any smaller than molecular level, in which to see what causes the molecular thingies, and you're looking into the Nuclear forces rather than electromagnetic ones :D

-Angry Lawyer
 
Well it would have to be nuclear communication, which is what is suspected of.. wait for it..

scalar waves (standing waves) wich are, bi directional longitudinal (B3) waves as per that experiment I posted a while ago. Far into fringe science, where its suspected every nucleus in the universe is in constant communication, constantly exchanging information.
 
I thought the theory of Scalar Waves was something that only really happened at long range (hence the Stealth Communications toilet tube thing)?

-Angry Lawyer
 
The theory of the scalar field is that all form in the universe is energetic by nature, and everything electromagnetic in nature is determined by the nuclear interaction's 'invisible scalar potential's' so when you violently cancel out a normal EM wave you are left with its nuclear communicative makeup, virtual makeup.. wich has no immediate physical presence in one direction on its own in our physical universe.

But it does when you create more scalar potentials that cross path's.. where they interfere you get the appearance of physical EM energy, which is how Tesla was able to wirelessly transmit electricity over large distances without loss of power.
 
You mean this, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower

Until people look into it a little more , Ireserve judgement on Scalar Waves. Although, I love the name and the way anything mysterious gets labelled as Scalar Waves with me and Kirovman.

Oh, you might want to buy this week's New Scientist. They had a cracking article on 5D space, which is what a lot of the theories you allude to the universe being.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
I fully support the government probing into fringe science, because through suchs investigation you can weed the absolute bollocks from the stuff that actually works.

-Angry Lawyer
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That is what the full meaning of engineering means. The three 'I's in engineering, Innovation, Invention, Ingenuous
 
Please anyone reading by all means be skeptical of potential wave's , its hard to wrap the old noodle around to start off with, but I guarantee everything Ive blabbed on about here is being studied by scientist's, and thats just about being reiterated in official magazines.

I think people have discredited Beardens work in this area unjustly without doing any practical experimentation themselves, if they havnt done the practical to prove him wrong then they cant be taken seriously either.

Afterall he's a nuclear physicist and he has the expertise.
 
Scientists are trained to be skeptical first, but they do get around to testing and trying to find factual basis in theories. Like cold fusion. Everybody thought it was a farce for an age, and just recently, New Scientist reported there might be repeatable results in Bubble Fusion.

Still, like any scientist, I remain skeptical until a large group of other people back it up ;)

And the concept of a Scalar Wave isn't potential. It exists in musical instruments, but as vibrations. Whether it exists in electromagnetism is the contested bit :D

-Angry Lawyer
 
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