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you lucky forum folk, another moon thread 
something for the old noggin here to contemplate from a rather interesting New science book ive been reading.
as we all know the US , and the USSR both wanted to be the first to land a probe on the moon intially. the very first calculations had been based on newtons laws of gravity, which puts the moon at 1/6 gravity of the earth in theory. with this in mind they can calculate where the probes needed to be in order to land on the moon.
they both began sending probes in the late 50's, which met with miserable failiure and alot of head scratching.
Russian Luna 1 on jan 2nd 1959 flew within 4,660 miles, and on out into deep space there where 3 unsuccessful attempts by the US before they attained a flyby of 37,000 miles from the surface with Pioneer 4. Luna 2 was the first to hit the moon, and luna 3 circled the far side within 4,372 miles, and sent back photo's, Strangely Russian moon exploration came to a 4 year stop after these successes., and where intensely secretive about the data they collected.
The US efforts where almost laughable at first. Ranger space probes where designed to hard land on the moon, designed to withstand impacts on the surface. Ranger 3 launched on january 26, 1962, missed its target completely and went into solar orbit. Ranger 4 hit the moon but was crippled. Ranger 5 missed the moon by 450 miles , and then the effort was put off for 2 years while the entire program was reorganised-- something was wrong with their calculations!. Russian Luna 5 , 6 , 7, 8 all either missed or crashed. Luna 9 was the first probe to successfully soft land on the moon. Things got better after then, as allegedly this is because they where able to recalculate the neutral point (gravity neutral point between earth and moons gravity influence, point where an object would not have any tendancey to move toward either object, because the fields have the equal attracting affect)
the neutral point based on Newtons law of universal gravitation, would put it at around 22,078 - 25,193 miles from the center of the moon, the figure came from logical guesses from trained scientist's.However , only observing falling or orbiting bodys could the actual neutral point (la grange point) be determined , and hence thereforth , the moons gravity.
July 25, 1969 issue of Time magazine, stated that the neutral point was 43,495 miles from the center of the moon. Werner von braun in the 1969 edition of ' history of rocketry and space travel' said the neutral point was 43,495 miles from the center of the moon. Other sources from NASA also stated it was between 38,000 and 43,495 miles from the center of the moon, pre Apollo distances where given as 20,000 to 25,000 miles from the center of the moon.
NASA had recalculated the neutral point, which would indicate that the moons gravity is not one sixth. As Newton had stated.
If the neutral point of the moons gravity is 43,495 miles from the center then the moons gravity is infact 64% of the Earths surface gravity, not one sixth, not 1/6 or 16.7% as predicted by newton's law of universal Gravitation!
Bizarrely , NASA and the status quo of science continued to allude that the moons gravity is 1/6 that of the earth's (possibly because saying anything else could put Newtons law under scrutiny, that also brings up questions to the integrity of the science and status quo job of the scientists at the time, not to mention embarassment). If infact the neutral point were more like 52,000 miles, the moons surface gravity would be identical to the earth's!.
so what if in fact the moons gravity is nearly equal to the earth's,
Ill post more concluding to that later, but one of the main assertions to this is the movement of astronaut's on the moon, a 185 pound suit and man combination, would weight only 31 pounds on a 1/6 gravity moon. Theoretically with 1/6 gravity they should of been able to perform high jumps, and slow backflips,They made a number of jumps and only appeared to be making 18 inches off the ground, speeding the video up makes it appear twice as odd. almost earth gravity in normal playback, its all very Interesting.
something for the old noggin here to contemplate from a rather interesting New science book ive been reading.
as we all know the US , and the USSR both wanted to be the first to land a probe on the moon intially. the very first calculations had been based on newtons laws of gravity, which puts the moon at 1/6 gravity of the earth in theory. with this in mind they can calculate where the probes needed to be in order to land on the moon.
they both began sending probes in the late 50's, which met with miserable failiure and alot of head scratching.
Russian Luna 1 on jan 2nd 1959 flew within 4,660 miles, and on out into deep space there where 3 unsuccessful attempts by the US before they attained a flyby of 37,000 miles from the surface with Pioneer 4. Luna 2 was the first to hit the moon, and luna 3 circled the far side within 4,372 miles, and sent back photo's, Strangely Russian moon exploration came to a 4 year stop after these successes., and where intensely secretive about the data they collected.
The US efforts where almost laughable at first. Ranger space probes where designed to hard land on the moon, designed to withstand impacts on the surface. Ranger 3 launched on january 26, 1962, missed its target completely and went into solar orbit. Ranger 4 hit the moon but was crippled. Ranger 5 missed the moon by 450 miles , and then the effort was put off for 2 years while the entire program was reorganised-- something was wrong with their calculations!. Russian Luna 5 , 6 , 7, 8 all either missed or crashed. Luna 9 was the first probe to successfully soft land on the moon. Things got better after then, as allegedly this is because they where able to recalculate the neutral point (gravity neutral point between earth and moons gravity influence, point where an object would not have any tendancey to move toward either object, because the fields have the equal attracting affect)
the neutral point based on Newtons law of universal gravitation, would put it at around 22,078 - 25,193 miles from the center of the moon, the figure came from logical guesses from trained scientist's.However , only observing falling or orbiting bodys could the actual neutral point (la grange point) be determined , and hence thereforth , the moons gravity.
July 25, 1969 issue of Time magazine, stated that the neutral point was 43,495 miles from the center of the moon. Werner von braun in the 1969 edition of ' history of rocketry and space travel' said the neutral point was 43,495 miles from the center of the moon. Other sources from NASA also stated it was between 38,000 and 43,495 miles from the center of the moon, pre Apollo distances where given as 20,000 to 25,000 miles from the center of the moon.
NASA had recalculated the neutral point, which would indicate that the moons gravity is not one sixth. As Newton had stated.
If the neutral point of the moons gravity is 43,495 miles from the center then the moons gravity is infact 64% of the Earths surface gravity, not one sixth, not 1/6 or 16.7% as predicted by newton's law of universal Gravitation!
Bizarrely , NASA and the status quo of science continued to allude that the moons gravity is 1/6 that of the earth's (possibly because saying anything else could put Newtons law under scrutiny, that also brings up questions to the integrity of the science and status quo job of the scientists at the time, not to mention embarassment). If infact the neutral point were more like 52,000 miles, the moons surface gravity would be identical to the earth's!.
so what if in fact the moons gravity is nearly equal to the earth's,
Ill post more concluding to that later, but one of the main assertions to this is the movement of astronaut's on the moon, a 185 pound suit and man combination, would weight only 31 pounds on a 1/6 gravity moon. Theoretically with 1/6 gravity they should of been able to perform high jumps, and slow backflips,They made a number of jumps and only appeared to be making 18 inches off the ground, speeding the video up makes it appear twice as odd. almost earth gravity in normal playback, its all very Interesting.
