more female abuse from saudi nutjob law

[jverne]

i'm really not in a mood to start a flame war, but this article is borderline shocking.

The New York-based group says Saudi women have to obtain permission from male relatives to work, travel, study, marry or even receive health care.

Saudi clerics see the guardianship of women's honour as a key to the country's social and moral order.

The report says that Saudi women are denied the legal right to make even trivial decisions for their children - women cannot open bank accounts for children, enrol them in school, obtain school files or travel with their children without written permission from the child's father.

"For Saudi women, reaching adulthood brings no rights, only responsibilities."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7358448.stm



but maybe i'll throw you a bone to chew at. as far as i can remember Christianity even in the most dire times of the middle ages did not have such restrictive and abusive laws.
in the late 17 century, "we" had Queens and other influential women.
i think this just goes to prove that Islam is a truly patriarchal religion. their laws are built from the scratch to suppers women. combine that with fundamental religious leaders and you get...yep...Saudi Arabia...or possibly every single Muslim state for that matter.

Islam is inherently bad for women, amongst other things of course, compared to other churches

 

[Apocalypse89]

My mother is self-employed, owns and drives her own car, keeps her own bank account, and wears whatever she wants wherever she wants. All things that she wouldn't be able to do in nearby Saudi Arabia.

Stop judging an entire region from its shithole.

 

[Solaris]

My mother is self-employed, owns and drives her own car, keeps her own bank account, and wears whatever she wants wherever she wants. All things that she wouldn't be able to do in nearby Saudi Arabia.

Stop judging an entire region from its shithole.

No, Islam is a joke.

It makes ridiculous biggoted claims, it's absurd. So absurd and stupid I find it funny and enjoy cartoons that make fun of it becuase it is a very silly idea.

But it is also a dangerous one, as far as I recall almost all Islamist states have evil laws that degrade women.

 

[jverne]

My mother is self-employed, owns and drives her own car, keeps her own bank account, and wears whatever she wants wherever she wants. All things that she wouldn't be able to do in nearby Saudi Arabia.

Stop judging an entire region from its shithole.

the exception confirms the rule?


it seems to me you're in a minority. but i'm willing to believe not all are that bad.

 

[Beerdude26]

Please note that Islam was creates around 650-750 years after pretty much every other major religion, and it takes a while for a religion to get the radicalism out of its system. Guess what we were doing 750 years ago? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades lawlawlawl

 

[Nemesis6]

Problem is that the surrounding countries are pretty much the same. Saudi Arabia is different only in the sense that they have based their law and molded their society in the face of Shari'ah law. There are more absurd examples, but non immediately linked to females.

Oh, I know, this is from Iqra TV, official TV of Saudi Arabia, explaining the female psyche - http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5KmIXZM-V8

EDIT again: I'm on a role, here's a Sheikh going on TV saying that women must submit to mens sexual desires. Incidentally, I recognize this guy. He's a popular doublesp--I mean Saudi Imam who garnered some fame for saying that Jews suck blood! :/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QwlW9Qq_zEc&feature=related

 

[jimbo118]

Read about it today in the paper, one that was annoying was a female doctor who was unable to go to work because her male driver never showed up to take her to work, she is forbidden from getting there herself so was unable to work that day due to the driver's no-show.

 

[CptStern]

wow saudi arabia is full of extremists ..who would have thunk it?

and closer to home 400 children were taken away from their parents citing concerns over abusive religious practices including marrying minors to men in their late 50's ..this imho is a little more concerning because it's in my backyard whereas I'm so far removed from Saudi culture that anything they do seems alien to me ...but they religious groups in north america are something I can relate to because it's a lot closer to home (there's a canadian connection: Bountiful BC)

 

[Warbie]

Oh, I know, this is from Iqra TV, official TV of Saudi Arabia, explaining the female psyche - http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5KmIXZM-V8

EDIT again: I'm on a role, here's a Sheikh going on TV saying that women must submit to mens sexual desires. Incidentally, I recognize this guy. He's a popular doublesp--I mean Saudi Imam who garnered some fame for saying that Jews suck blood! :/
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QwlW9Qq_zEc&feature=related

Islam was so obviously invented by a bunch of guys who wanted to get laid all the time and had wives that wouldn't shut the **** up.

edit - goddamnit, why didn't we think of this first?

 

[CptStern]

we did, in fact women still are not equal to men ..in Jebus times they were considered no better than a prized cattle

 

[jverne]

wow saudi arabia is full of extremists ..who would have thunk it?

and closer to home 400 children were taken away from their parents citing concerns over abusive religious practices including marrying minors to men in their late 50's ..this imho is a little more concerning because it's in my backyard whereas I'm so far removed from Saudi culture that anything they do seems alien to me ...but they religious groups in north america are something I can relate to because it's a lot closer to home (there's a canadian connection: Bountiful BC)

heard about that. yeah pretty stupid, but at least that's not government law.

 

[CptStern]

sure it's government law ..in a sense:

"the right to religious freedom"



it's one of the few rights I think should be looked at again because it leaves the door open to abuse

 

[Eejit]

the exception confirms the rule?

Meh, that phrase doesn't make sense the way people generally use it.

First of all it should be "the exception that proves the rule".
Secondly it's the OLD meaning of to prove, i.e. to test, or sometimes simply that a "rule" (whether true or perceived) exists in the first place rather than reaffirming that the "rule" in question is correct.

 

[Sulkdodds]

jverne: yes, this is disgusting. No, it isn't much different from very old-school christianity. There's no need to distort the argument.

 

[Apocalypse89]

Problem is that the surrounding countries are pretty much the same.

In addition to Saudi and Bahrain, I've been to Qatar, Kuwait, the Emirates, Egypt, and Lebanon. Although I won't pretend that their(and Bahrain's) societies aren't conservative by Western standards(except maybe Lebanon), I can tell you that you can easily go by your day-to-day life in each of those countries without having to make contact with the extremist religious wackos.

In Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, you can't take two steps without Big Bearded Brother finding some new and interesting way to make your life difficult. Traveling there is feels stranger to me than traveling to Spain or France.

 

[Nemesis6]

I can tell you that you can easily go by your day-to-day life in each of those countries without having to make contact with the extremist religious wackos.

Well, again, unless you're a woman. And if you're a Christian, say goodbye to your parents and convert to Islam in advance so you don't have to do it when you're "bride-snatched". But there's one upside - If you really do like being a forced wife and Muslim, the police will arrest your parents if they get anywhere near you or start inquiring about your whereabouts. Egypt's such a nice place. Again again, unless you're Sudanese then... I'm going in circles ain't I? :x

In Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, you can't take two steps without Big Bearded Brother finding some new and interesting way to make your life difficult. Traveling there is feels stranger to me than traveling to Spain or France.

Bearded Big Brothers more like it, I'm thinking the Mutaween! :hmph:

 

[jverne]

jverne: yes, this is disgusting. No, it isn't much different from very old-school christianity. There's no need to distort the argument.

as far as i know, yes women were often suppressed by most theocracies (and democracies). but i think women were allowed to participate in most religious rituals together with men. also they didn't have such abusive laws forbidding them to do daily necessities. women were in charge of the household, they raised children till they weren't big enough to participate in the male life.

but i agree, i'm fighting a loosing battle.