My issues with the staff of HL2.net

[f|uke]

In the two months I've been here, I have been one of the larger contributers to these forums. You might recall threads such as "Valve, appease our consumerism", my stickied synopsis of hl2.php, and the long lasting HL:S thread "Why do we have to wear these ridiculous ties",. among making thousands of other contributions to the threads here, mostly in a thoughtfull and appropriate manner.

Now I was once a forum moderater myself, at the highly sucessfull "XboxHacker.Net", and I know that doing the right thing is not always easy. Still, I would always err on the side of acceptance.

Two issues recently have called into question the judgement of the staff here at HL2.net.

First is the closure of the 'E' thread. This was a rather enjoyable challenging word game. It did not harm anyone, and we did not contribute for the sake of 'postcounts'. That thread made for clever and playfull interaction. However, certain mods, percieving it as "spam", decided to close it. To these mods I would challenge them to actually contribute to the thread to see that it is not verbal diarrhea, but a test of vocabulary. When I took issue, the response I got was "those are the rules". But it was not the therad itself, but the mods interpretation of it, that violated these rules.

The second is the closure of Bush: Crazed Arsonist?, a thread of my creation. This thread was clearly a joke. So why was it closed, when Definition of a Terrorist: Liberal Democrat remains open? Is there truly unchecked political bias in the HL2.net staff?

 

[chimpmunk]

Probably...

 

[Maxi]

The mods are sometimes REALLY strict about threads... but still, this place is better than alot of other forums that I know of.

 

[blahblahblah]

Did you read the 'E' thread? The original poster wanted it closed after TDE moved it. Seems like TDE was appeasing the person who created the thread.

As for Merc's thread, do you realize he was banned because of that thread?

And your thread was covered in gasoline ready for somebody to ignite a flame war. What did you honestly expect? You do have the reputation as an extreme Anti-Bush person. You were asking for a flame war.

Your point is?

 

[f|uke]

Did you read the 'E' thread? The original poster wanted it closed after TDE moved it.

No, I was the one who appealed to TDE. TDE mistook me for the original poster. I did not ask that it be closed, I asked that it be taken back to the Off Topic forum instead of being moved (inapropriatly) into the Gold forum. TDE then gave that bullshit "Well, if thats how you want it" response, moved it back and locked it. Oh, right, thats what I wanted.:hmph:

As for Merc's thread, do you realize he was banned because of that thread?

For 24 hours. To cool off. Because of all the ranting, but not nessisarily because of the topic. And the thread remains open

And your thread was covered in gasoline. What did you honestly expect? You do have the reputation as an extreme Anti-Bush person. You were asking for a flame war.

Bush is the one covered in gasoline. Yes, I hate bush, but political discussion is status quo in those forums. So is satire against the rules? It was obvious that bush didnt start the fire, but what I said about his record is true. Ultimatly it is no different the the satire offered by Will Farrel posted in this thread http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46445.


But that thread, and 'Definition of a Terrorist' both remain open.

 

[Alec_85]

;( What? Merc got banned? And his father too? He was cool. Well not in that thread but in general. He even went to Valve... And got banned. Yikes.

But yeah it's a little weird that mods posts in those spam threads & in that way, simply contribute with more spam. But TDE at least locked it on request & because the starter was being an ass in PMs. Haven't read them but being an ass is grounds enough for a ban imho I didn't say that okay?

Also, it is a little weird that they are nice and all from time to time but lock other threads. Bad days? Especially in certain cases pointed out above that there really shouldn't have been any questions about.

But as TDE's sig says:

Moderating a forum is like pissing while running, sometimes your aim is a little off and you'll ban the wrong person - Anon

 

[f|uke]

But TDE at least locked it on request & because the starter was being an ass in PMs.

Read my previous post. I was the one speaking to TDE, and

TDE did NOT lock it on request

 

[gh0st]

deal with it. if you dont like the staff here go somewhere else.

 

[blahblahblah]

No, I was the one who appealed to TDE. TDE mistook me for the original poster. I did not ask that it be closed, I asked that it be taken back to the Off Topic forum instead of being moved (inapropriatly) into the Gold forum.

Because it was SPAM!. I'm sure you were polite in your PM to TDE as well.

Who are you to determine what thread goes where. It was obvious that people enjoyed the thread, but classified as spam. TDE's solution was a great one, imo.

Are you even sure you were the only one who PMed TDE?

For 24 hours. To cool off. Because of all the ranting, but not nessisarily because of the topic. And the thread remains openBush is the one covered in gasoline. Yes, I hate bush, but political discussion is status quo in those forums. It was obvious that bush didnt start the fire, but what I said about his record is true. Ultimatly it is no different the the satire offered by Will Farrel posted in this thread http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46445.

But that thread, and 'Definition of a Terrorist' both remain open.

PM a mod to close it then if it upsets you that much. Jeesh.

If you can't tell the difference betwen the Will Farrel thread and your thread, I feel sorry for you.

There is a difference between expressing your opinion and being flat-out insulting. It's frankly pathetic that you can't tell the difference between the two.

 

[azz0r]

The mods here are way overly strict, having an opinion gets you banned (oh wait no, we disguise it as bad behaviour which we cant give examples for).

Do yourself a favour, dont post anything provocative, anything that has an opinion that others might disagree with and definetly dont outsmart a moderator, itll get you banned ASAP.

 

[blahblahblah]

The mods here are way overly strict, having an opinion gets you banned (oh wait no, we disguise it as bad behaviour which we cant give examples for).

Do yourself a favour, dont post anything provocative, anything that has an opinion that others might disagree with and definetly dont outsmart a moderator, itll get you banned ASAP.

I express my opinion which is in the minority. There are only a handful of people who have the same opinions on this forum. Yet, I do not get threatened or closed thread.

It is about stating your opinion respectfully.

 

[f|uke]

Because it was SPAM!

It was a game.

Are you even sure you were the only one who PMed TDE?

Yes, I am positive that TDE's actions were a result of my PM. TDE and I exchanged a number of messages.

PM a mod to close it then if it upsets you that much.

I dont want that thread closed. I want mine open.

If you can't tell the difference betwen the Will Farrel thread and your thread, I feel sorry for you. There is a difference between expressing your opinion and being flat-out insulting.

Whats the difference? My post was a joke. I have shown that pic to people and they have laughed. Insulting? Calling liberals terrorist, that fvcking insulting. Saying that Bush started a forrest fire is NOT insulting because its OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE. Therefor, its SATIRE.

And, blah, I find you pathetic as well.

 

[Chris D]

Oh stop stirring shit azz0r. You had a disagreement with a staff member and it got a bit sticky - the situation now being corrected and you being unbanned. Just let it lie will you?

As for the threads pointed out in the initial post, the best action I can recommend whenever you have a problem with the closing of a thread or any other moderator's action, all you need to do is politely talk to the moderator responsible or a senior member of staff (Munro, Zerimski, StarMonkey or Hot Soup) and they'll gladly disucuss the reasons behind their actions.

I never see the point in making threads like this - what good does it do? If you want something to be done about something - speak to the person/s responsible

EDIT:

And, blah, I find you pathetic as well.

Right now, all it looks like is you wanting to pick fights with people.

 

[CptStern]

fluke let it go, sometimes threads get locked depending on the mood of the particular mod. I'm no stranger to political threads but sometimes some threads need to be locked because it's obvious it's heading straight into flame country

btw blahblah no need to get hostile, fluke had some legitamate concerns, he has a right to air them ...although you probably should have PM'ed the mod in question: best way to get results

 

[Mr. Redundant]

the fact of the matter is, Moderators are people too, they make judgement calls.. the best way to understand, or correct a situation with a mod.. is to simply PM them. (this is what you "should" have done)

... that fvcking insulting.

also it is against the rules to try and dodge the word filter (using a v, instead of a U in the "F" word, as you did)

 

[blahblahblah]

btw blahblah no need to get hostile, fluke had some legitamate concerns, he has a right to air them ...although you probably should have PM'ed the mod in question: best way to get results

Grrrr...

I just don't understand his point. He is insulted by the thread merc created, but doesn't want it closed? Likewise, he wants his thread opened even though it will cause a flame war? I just don't understand it.

 

[f|uke]

Chris_D,

How am I supposed to know who is responsibe? I PM'd Munroe on IRC about the E thread, and while I feel it might have something to do with the removal of postcount, i never recieved a reply. I sent a report off about my Bush thread, but recieved no reply.

And its not like the mod told me why the thread was closed. And I dont want to "discuss the reasons behind their actions", because I know I don't agree with them.

I know whats right, and I need to express it. I dont think it will do wont whit of good, but that doesn't change the fact. I dont think I'm long for these forums now, with the faith I have lost here after all the time I have wasted. So I see no harm in speaking my mind.

 

[azz0r]

Oh stop stirring shit azz0r. You had a disagreement with a staff member and it got a bit sticky - the situation now being corrected and you being unbanned. Just let it lie will you?

Its hard to let it go when that said moderator is still threatening to ban me.

 

[theGreenBunny]

The only 'issue', if you can even call it that, I have is that merc didn't get permbanned for what he said. I've seen people get banned for far, far less. The whole thing isn't over yet though, so I'll wait and see.

As for the E-thread, moving it to the gold forum was a good solution, as posts aren't counted there. You could still play the game, but it wouldn't be spam. As for the locking, I can't say anything about that as I wasn't involved.

The arsonist thread was definitely inflammatory. If you wanted to discuss the topic, you should've worded it differently. Of course the argument "but merc's thread was worse" is in my opinion valid (as I sort of mentioned earlier). But the flaming in it stopped when merc was banned, and people are discussing in a reasonable manner (last time I checked, which was earlier today).


(edit note: thread's going fast, and writing this took a few minutes)

 

[f|uke]

The only 'issue', if you can even call it that, I have is that merc didn't get permbanned for what he said.

If merc got permbanned I'm sure I would not have started my thread.

As for the E-thread, moving it to the gold forum was a good solution, as posts aren't counted there.

I dont really understand the big deal about postcounts anyways. In my first week I had over 200. Its not hard to post. The E thread was not about postcounts.

If that was the issue, now that postcounts are removed, would an E thread be allowed? Mods?

 

[Chris D]

Its hard to let it go when that said moderator is still threatening to ban me.

In that case you take it to one of the admins. Don't sit there being all bitter about it - what will it achieve?

f|uke, as the Bush thread wasn't given a reason for closing it has been re-opened but it's subject to closing again if the moderator responsible wishes to and provide a reason.

As for the other thread, it's been closed based on the guidelines of the forum as it constitutes spam - this is unrelated to the actual post counts but we did try to meet half-way, which wasn't to the agreement of the thread starter.

If you don't agree with those decisions, and I'm sure there's others that don't either that's your perogative. However, there's plenty of people that do. We can't please everybody but such as life eh?

 

[ComradeBadger]

No, word games etc are not allowed. Sorry.

My issues with the users of HL2.net

They post threads about us ;(

Use the report thread button to report our actions...

Post word games :hmph:

Anyway, joking aside, if you have any problem with any of the staff, contact an Administrator, such as Munro, StarMonkey, Zerimski or HotSoup. Or, if you feel it is a minor issue, PM the moderator themselves.

Thanks

 

[f|uke]

Cheers, Chris.

 

[Dougy]

In the two months I've been here, I have been one of the larger contributers to these forums.

Its the quality of posts not the amount that matters.

Case closed.

next! :cheers:

 

[Chris D]

See? This whole thread could have been avoided just by approaching us. We're rational guys. Everyone seems to think that just because we're moderators we have to be those arrogant ****-sticks that do what we want when we want.

People need to remember that we do things for a reason and it isn't about being on a power trip. Hell, some of us have been staff here for nearly two years. If there ever were any of that kinda thing - it's long gone.

As for contacting Munro, it's not always the most ideal thing to do as he's always quite busy. Also, StarMonkey is AFK quite a lot. Zerimski and Hot Soup are quite approachable if you must speak to an admin, otherwise us Super Moderators are ok too We don't bite... too hard :naughty:

 

[Wraith]

contact an Administrator

holy shit... you guys are part of the conspiracy arent you!?!?! WHERE'S MY TINFOIL HAT OH GOD HERE CUM TEH GMAN!

 

[ComradeBadger]

holy shit... you guys are part of the conspiracy arent you!?!?! WHERE'S MY TINFOIL HAT OH GOD HERE CUM TEH GMAN!

I tried to warn them, but the administrator just would not listen.

And Chris is right, we´re all top blokes except for Chris, he smells.. really bad.

Trust me, I´ve met the guy :x

<3

 

[Chris D]

At least I don't press young girl's buttons and run off!

 

[ComradeBadger]

That was so funny.. while it was an accident on my part, was hilarious to see that she didn´t know what had happened.

Least I didn´t DL Steam and CS:S on AMD´s connection!

 

[f|uke]

Its the quality of posts not the amount that matters.

I agree.

 

[Dr. Freeman]

The mods here are way overly strict, having an opinion gets you banned (oh wait no, we disguise it as bad behaviour which we cant give examples for).

Do yourself a favour, dont post anything provocative, anything that has an opinion that others might disagree with and definetly dont outsmart a moderator, itll get you banned ASAP.

if its that bad as described in ur own words, then why do u keep coming back? yeah.. i rest my case.
and ya know...its not even about ur most recent incident/non-incident.. i have seen some pretty rude comments coming from u in the past...so if mods have a short leash on u, its ur own fault.

 

[Ecthe|ioN]

Leave the mods alone. They don't have the easiest job keeping track of all the posting on these forums. Cut them some slack.

To all mods: I think you're doing a great job. Keep it up. You make this site worth coming back to.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Yeah i've gotten used to it, just something we got to deal with dude. You dont have control here and some choices made you will disagree with. while you are on this website, they own you. it's a factoid I learned

 

[CptStern]

Grrrr...
.

grrrr back! I'm bigger, I win :E

 

[Gunner]

In the two months I've been here, I have been one of the larger contributers to these forums. You might recall threads such as "Valve, appease our consumerism", my stickied synopsis of hl2.php, and the long lasting HL:S thread "Why do we have to wear these ridiculous ties",. among making thousands of other contributions to the threads here, mostly in a thoughtfull and appropriate manner.

Now I was once a forum moderater myself, at the highly sucessfull "XboxHacker.Net", and I know that doing the right thing is not always easy. Still, I would always err on the side of acceptance.

Two issues recently have called into question the judgement of the staff here at HL2.net.

First is the closure of the 'E' thread. This was a rather enjoyable challenging word game. It did not harm anyone, and we did not contribute for the sake of 'postcounts'. That thread made for clever and playfull interaction. However, certain mods, percieving it as "spam", decided to close it. To these mods I would challenge them to actually contribute to the thread to see that it is not verbal diarrhea, but a test of vocabulary. When I took issue, the response I got was "those are the rules". But it was not the therad itself, but the mods interpretation of it, that violated these rules.

The second is the closure of Bush: Crazed Arsonist?, a thread of my creation. This thread was clearly a joke. So why was it closed, when Definition of a Terrorist: Liberal Democrat remains open? Is there truly unchecked political bias in the HL2.net staff?

You take yourself (and this place) too seriously.

Take a look in the off-topic forums, it's filled with garbage. This place is going downhill everyday.

 

[Shuzer]

All I have to say is, the Bush thread clearly deserved to be closed. It served no purpose. You opened with a flamebait statement. There was nothing to add, except the droves of "LOLZ BUSH SUXOR" by all the Democrats here. Then, a republican would jump in to defend, would be flamed to hell and deemed a troll; all the whilst the whole topic was dedicated to flaming bush. Go figure. I wonder why that topic was closed!

 

[azz0r]

if its that bad as described in ur own words, then why do u keep coming back? yeah.. i rest my case.
and ya know...its not even about ur most recent incident/non-incident.. i have seen some pretty rude comments coming from u in the past...so if mods have a short leash on u, its ur own fault.

It wasnt bad at all, I enjoyed posting until the Dark Elf grew a grudge over the issue with Ritz.

Besides that, Ill admit I am overly opiniated and can insult people - but I dont think Ive ever insulted someone who didnt deserve it or acted out of line.

No mods kept a leash on me either, Ive been banned once for posting a link to ******* (by accident I might add) and secondary for annoying ritz with my opinion (which btw was well presented and wasnt in any way out of line) which somehow got palmed off as bad behaviour

Ill drop the issue as soon the Dark elf apologizes for continuely threatening me - I know I wont get it but aslong as he doesnt keep overlording me I can forgive him ;p

 

[Z|insane]

No, word games etc are not allowed. Sorry.

My issues with the users of HL2.net

They post threads about us ;(

Use the report thread button to report our actions...

Post word games :hmph:

Anyway, joking aside, if you have any problem with any of the staff, contact an Administrator, such as Munro, StarMonkey, Zerimski or HotSoup. Or, if you feel it is a minor issue, PM the moderator themselves.

Thanks

*Reports Post*

 

[Dr. Freeman]

It wasnt bad at all, I enjoyed posting until the Dark Elf grew a grudge over the issue with Ritz.

Besides that, Ill admit I am overly opiniated and can insult people - but I dont think Ive ever insulted someone who didnt deserve it or acted out of line.

No mods kept a leash on me either, Ive been banned once for posting a link to ******* (by accident I might add) and secondary for annoying ritz with my opinion (which btw was well presented and wasnt in any way out of line) which somehow got palmed off as bad behaviour

Ill drop the issue as soon the Dark elf apologizes for continuely threatening me - I know I wont get it but aslong as he doesnt keep overlording me I can forgive him ;p

fair enough.
tho its probably in ur best interest to re-read what u are about to post because even if u didn't start anything by rude comments, u sure don't help the situation either.

anyway.. at least the mis-understanding is now dealt with.

 

[Munro]

It wasnt bad at all, I enjoyed posting until the Dark Elf grew a grudge over the issue with Ritz.

Besides that, Ill admit I am overly opiniated and can insult people - but I dont think Ive ever insulted someone who didnt deserve it or acted out of line.

No mods kept a leash on me either, Ive been banned once for posting a link to ******* (by accident I might add) and secondary for annoying ritz with my opinion (which btw was well presented and wasnt in any way out of line) which somehow got palmed off as bad behaviour

Ill drop the issue as soon the Dark elf apologizes for continuely threatening me - I know I wont get it but aslong as he doesnt keep overlording me I can forgive him ;p

Mate enough now. You've already been warned in this very thread, twice. If I see one more post about The Dark Elf or being banned I'll be happy to ban you myself :|

With regards to the original topic f|uke everything should have been explained and we don’t have to go any further with this. Any problems with our policies, moderators or rules please come and speak to me or another Admin in private. I'll close this before azz0r makes another mistake.