My kindey's are f***in' up

[AmishSlayer]

So my parents started the ball rolling for me to get life insurance (don't ask me why...I don't know). I'm 20, pretty healthy as far as I know...and I'm not really overweight or anything. I take a piss test and blood test before this whole thing is finalized. My parents got the results back tonight and I was denied life insurance.

I'm not completely sure what it means...but I have 3 times the amount of protein in my blood than the upper limit of the "acceptable range", I have twice the red blood cell count of the average, and I have twice the amount of creatinine in my urine.

I looked up creatinine and it's a gague at how well your kidney's are functioning. Apparently the higher the number...the crappier your kidneys are. I don't know for sure if this is a serious kidney problem...but I'm going to make a doctors appt. ASAP and my dad is gonna ask his doctor about it when he has a checkup (totally different reasons) in a couple days.

Anybody have ANY idea what the hell is goin' on inside my body? Is there a doctor in the house? This is a little weird for me. :O

 

[The Mullinator]

I really don't know much about kidneys and I am pretty sure this won't really be the cause for it but what is your diet right now?

You may not be getting enough water to dilute what your kidneys have to deal with.

 

[TIIMMYY]

Well, im not a doctor, but I can tell this is in the wrong forum section

Anyway, I dont think it's something serious. I mean you've had a normal life right? Its bound to have been there before you knew and it probably wasn't affecting you.

 

[Dan]

how much do you drink? alcohol wise. Have you taken any hits to the kidneys lately? I was diagnosed with some liver problem once. It was just one enzyme that there was a lot of in my blood. It turned out that it wasn't leaking from my liver though, it was cause of muscle breakdown cause I was doing a lot of rowing training. But having all of those different things does seem to point towards kidneys. Make sure to get tested again a month or so latter to see that it's still there.

But on the original point, why do you need life insurance at 20? Are you married, do you have kids? It really doesn't make to much sense when you don't have any dependents. Maybe your parents know something that you don't. j/k

 

[Razor]

how much do you drink? alcohol wise. Have you taken any hits to the kidneys lately? I was diagnosed with some liver problem once. It was just one enzyme that there was a lot of in my blood. It turned out that it wasn't leaking from my liver though, it was cause of muscle breakdown cause I was doing a lot of rowing training. But having all of those different things does seem to point towards kidneys. Make sure to get tested again a month or so latter to see that it's still there.

But on the original point, why do you need life insurance at 20? Are you married, do you have kids? It really doesn't make to much sense when you don't have any dependents. Maybe your parents know something that you don't. j/k

His family could be his dependents, and they might get a whole lot more clumsy, especially around chainsaws and the like when the insurance all comes through.

You have worried me a bit Amishslayer as i am taking Creatine at the moment and i am also taking a lot more than maintenance level protein, as part of my muscle building and weight training. But there is nothing wrong with Creatine, as long as you are drinking a plenty of water and the dangerous level of protein is only reached with about 350 - 550grammes of protein a day.

 

[Dan]

I don't think this is reason to be worried about taking creatin or protein, although I have heard some bad stuff about its effects on your organs. But in this case the creatine and protein are just symptoms of kidney problems, not the cause. The fact that all this stuff is out in the blood stream means that the kidneys aren't doing their job properly.

 

[Razor]

I don't think this is reason to be worried about taking creatin or protein, although I have heard some bad stuff about its effects on your organs. But in this case the creatine and protein are just symptoms of kidney problems, not the cause. The fact that all this stuff is out in the blood stream means that the kidneys aren't doing their job properly.

Creatine has no side effects and neither does Protein.

 

[15357]

After BUN starts to rise, you'll have big problems

 

[oldagerocker]

BUN?

Dans right anyway, if the stuffs in the urine and the protein isn't being lost through the urine, then the kidneys are doing their job. Possibly you eat too much protein, fish, red meats.

The Red blood cells could be a from a high iron diet, like green vegetables... so if you are constantly eating protein and spinage, you should be like Popeye by now

I'm no doctor but that life insurance thing is rediculous, i doubt you're going to drop dead any second.... although i was refused life insurance or the rates were too high for my rents to afford when i was a baby, i was 3 months premature though

 

[burner69]

I had pains in my kidneys when I was drinking a lot, alcohol can certainly do a lot of damage, it's often under estimated because it's legal.

Of course it could be caused by something else, all I can say is lay off the booze, and best of luck.

 

[15357]

blood urea nitrogen = BUN

 

[Hectic Glenn]

oh dear doesnt sound settling, but theres many people with kidney problems across the world, so theres plenty they can do. Trouble with the old nephrons it sounds like! It seems like you are getting the necessary things but they dont get filtered out your urine in ultra filtration in the nephrons in the kidneys. Lots of people have problems like this, like diabetics have too much sugar in their urine. It won't be life threatening obviously, but you are going to need to make some changes to your lifestyle in order to get the necessary nutrients. I don't know about drugs and such like, just my human biology - anatomy course at college is all i have! But rest assured, these things can be sorted. At least you are breaking down the proteins and getting them through you! Good luck with your doctor, tell us how things go.

 

[kirovman]

My girlfriend says that I have easily susceptible kidneys, and can easily get ill from them.

I don't know how she would know, she's not a doctor. But she's always right...

Anyway apparently a good way to get good kidneys is eat BBQ-ed lambs kidneys. Thats what people made me do when I was in China.
Apparently I'm temporarily 'cured'.

You're probably thinking 'what a twat' after reading all that, sorry, long day.

 

[CREMATOR666]

Scientific terms make my head spin.....

 

[AmishSlayer]

I realized like 20 minutes after I posted that I didn't switch to off-topic before I posted. Whoops

But on the original point, why do you need life insurance at 20? Are you married, do you have kids? It really doesn't make to much sense when you don't have any dependents. Maybe your parents know something that you don't. j/k

No idea. I was wondering the same thing. I joked with my friends that my parents were going to put a hit out on me.

Creatine has no side effects and neither does Protein.

I'm not talking about creatine. I'm talking about creatinine (pronounced kree-at-in-een - I thought at first it was creatine).

I doubt it's the red blood cell count that got me turned down. I think it's the creatinine or the protein. I'm making an appointment today.

EDIT: And I'm positive I get enough water. I drink like 10 glasses a day. I drink like a can of pop once every two days...and alcohol like once a week so it's probably not liquids.

EDIT: Yeah, I didn't specify, the protein count was from the urine sample... :|

 

[short recoil]

Ummmmm i really hope you havn't done something silly like you body build and you take creatine monohydrate......which turns into creatinine and you piss out (my brother had a high creatinine count because he is a body builder)

 

[AmishSlayer]

Ummmmm i really hope you havn't done something silly like you body build and you take creatine monohydrate......which turns into creatinine and you piss out (my brother had a high creatinine count because he is a body builder)

Nope. I'm a normal guy, no medication entering my body.

 

[Dan]

Creatine has no side effects and neither does Protein.

That's quite a big statement you're stating there. First off, this big popularity of creatine is relatively new. It usually takes decades to determine all of the possible side effects of stuff like this. Remember espesdos, that seemed like a good idea at the time too.

Second off, a quick google search of the words creatine and side effects will bring up enough hits to prove that it is atleast an issue. There is debate for both sides on the use of creatine.

Here's one exerpt of some cautions listed by some health store site.

More is not better when it comes to taking creatine supplements. In fact, just because a little creatine can sometimes boost performance, it's potentially hazardous to the health to take very high doses of creatine for a prolonged period of time. Experts caution that extended high doses can lead to kidney and liver problems.

Don't take high doses of creatine immediately before or during exercise; anecdotal cases of nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea have been reported.

And here's a site which lists several studies which point towards kidney damage:
http://www.personalhealthzone.com/herbal_medicine/side_effects/creatine_side_effects.html

There definitely are side effects

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

sorry to hear amish, see doctor asap to get it fixed :\

 

[AmishSlayer]

Well...turns out my kidneys aren't f***in' up.

Just got back from the doctor. When you exercise, muscle breaks down and, in the form of protein, it runs through your kidneys and then out with your piss. I had jogged like 1-2 hours before my piss test...so there was tons of protein in my urine. Doc said the Protein/creatinine level isn't just a measure of protein and creatinine, it's actually a ratio (I didn't look at that slash as division ). My creatinine levels are fine, just the protein was high because I exercised.

Damned nurse lady didn't tell me not to exercise.

 

[The Mullinator]

Well...turns out my kidneys aren't f***in' up.

Just got back from the doctor. When you exercise, muscle breaks down and, in the form of protein, it runs through your kidneys and then out with your piss. I had jogged like 1-2 hours before my piss test...so there was tons of protein in my urine. Doc said the Protein/creatinine level isn't just a measure of protein and creatinine, it's actually a ratio (I didn't look at that slash as division ). My creatinine levels are fine, just the protein was high because I exercised.

Damned nurse lady didn't tell me not to exercise.

Well its good to hear there isn't anything wrong then. Its also good you told us. Now I know not to exercise before getting a urine test.

 

[the_lone_wolf]

finally proven then - exercise is bad for you

btw glad you're ok, my sis had kidney issues early in life and it sucks ass

 

[kirovman]

Well...turns out my kidneys aren't f***in' up.

Just got back from the doctor. When you exercise, muscle breaks down and, in the form of protein, it runs through your kidneys and then out with your piss. I had jogged like 1-2 hours before my piss test...so there was tons of protein in my urine. Doc said the Protein/creatinine level isn't just a measure of protein and creatinine, it's actually a ratio (I didn't look at that slash as division ). My creatinine levels are fine, just the protein was high because I exercised.

Damned nurse lady didn't tell me not to exercise.

So what's going to happen about your life insurance?

They will reverse the descision?

 

[AmishSlayer]

So what's going to happen about your life insurance?

They will reverse the descision?

I'll just be getting another blood and urine test. No exercise the day before or day of this time.

Side-note: As he was going through the test results with me he noted that there's a certain thing they test for that can tell them if you've been drinking tons of water to try and pass marijuana through your system faster. So if you think you're gonna get piss-tested for weed, and you drink a lot of water they'll know if they're thorough enough.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

My kidneys started hurting when I read about your problem.

 

[Dan]

Well...turns out my kidneys aren't f***in' up.

Just got back from the doctor. When you exercise, muscle breaks down and, in the form of protein, it runs through your kidneys and then out with your piss. I had jogged like 1-2 hours before my piss test...so there was tons of protein in my urine. Doc said the Protein/creatinine level isn't just a measure of protein and creatinine, it's actually a ratio (I didn't look at that slash as division ). My creatinine levels are fine, just the protein was high because I exercised.

Damned nurse lady didn't tell me not to exercise.

That's pretty much the exact same thing that happened with my liver damage tests

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

and I worried, you will probaby live longer then me.....excercising and all...

 

[PvtRyan]

Don't worry, I'm a Paladin, I can heal you. And if you die, I'll resurrect.

... sorry, too much WoW

 

[we11er]

Side-note: As he was going through the test results with me he noted that there's a certain thing they test for that can tell them if you've been drinking tons of water to try and pass marijuana through your system faster. So if you think you're gonna get piss-tested for weed, and you drink a lot of water they'll know if they're thorough enough.

Haha, I got picked out at my last workplace for a random drugs test. I had been shmoking the night before. For the 2 hours before the test I drank a ton of water, I swear my piss was pure enough to drink.

Anyway, I never got caught so there!

 

[Razor]

That's quite a big statement you're stating there. First off, this big popularity of creatine is relatively new. It usually takes decades to determine all of the possible side effects of stuff like this. Remember espesdos, that seemed like a good idea at the time too.

Second off, a quick google search of the words creatine and side effects will bring up enough hits to prove that it is atleast an issue. There is debate for both sides on the use of creatine.

Here's one exerpt of some cautions listed by some health store site.


And here's a site which lists several studies which point towards kidney damage:
http://www.personalhealthzone.com/herbal_medicine/side_effects/creatine_side_effects.html

There definitely are side effects

That is why you only take a very small amount, i take no more than 5g per day, which is well within safe limits. But how you take Creatine is you cycle it, 6 weeks on, then you take some time off before going back on it. I am not a body builder, nor do i desire to be, but i am doing body builder training. Been off for the past few weeks though with flu and my chest has turned to flab .