NeoGen's electromagnetic pulse dynamo.

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http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/NeoGen_Dynamo.php#Perpetual

pulsed electromagnets drive an offset wheel of permanet magnets which create a dynamo effect, the pulsed energy input required is less than the eventual output energy from the rotating dynamo, the extra energy can be then fed back into the system.. closing the loop, creating a self sustained pulse for the dynamo effect.

the machine works at 120% efficiencey at full capacity.

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video:

http://www.mullerpower.com/images/MullerMotorRun1_Sm.wmv?PHPSESSID=c89e16605ca866f619841bcfcdbbd5f4
 
yay for free energy! (or perpetual motion or whatever this is :rolleyes:)
 
Heh, my friend and I were discussing this in a chemistry lesson ages ago.. about whether it'd be possible to use energy produced by something like this to charge a battery to keep it going.. had nothing to do with the lesson, we were supposed to be copying stuff down from the board or drawing chemical warning symbols or something equally useless.. we got told off by the ofstead inspector though :( she said it wouldn't help us get our gcses. The teacher said he'd be more than happy to discuss this with us after lesson.. then he told us to go away cause he wasn't interested, in front of the inspector.. :laugh: we got an awful report :D

and ontopic.. it's not perpetual, but it's something
 
yup, gotta be careful about saying perpetual motion, because it isnt really, it just last for ages in a closed loop, and thats correct about the batteries they would degrade, but you could get alot of efficient use out of it before it got bad enough to effect performance.

and when people say free energy in respect to devices like this, its not free persay, its putting the flux of the permanet magnets under such conditions that you can convert that into usable energy, if you can do that its essentially an endless energy supply.

then he told us to go away cause he wasn't interested, in front of the inspector.. we got an awful report
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lol shippi, ... but at the end of the day when it's all true, which im convinced of, we can have the last laugh.
 
i was being a little sarcastic, you will always have to put an equal or greater amount of energy into the system than what you get out...

honest:)
 
Well in this case less is going in, and more is coming out.

If your able to put permanent magnets to workable use you can achieve an apparent overunity in terms of the energy in/out ratio, because the flux energy is an endless naturally occuring force that feed's into this system which is why they are able to work more out..

Alot of people will refute it, but its down to the fact that we still dont understand permanent magnet's properly and the origin of the perpetual force created by them.
 
lol, thats obviously intended to be humerous , I hope, otherwise thats weird.
 
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A perpetual motion machine of the first kind produces more energy than it uses. Therefore, once started, the machine can go on forever. This is prohibited by the law of conservation of energy. Many of these designs utilize magnets as some kind of free energy source, and assume frictionless surfaces. However, while several of these designs are not perpetual motion machines, they oftentimes can run on their own for a long time, as long as they're not asked to do any real work to the external environment.
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Let me be absolutely clear on this point, this is NOT, in any way, a Perpetual Motion Device. Thank you.
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clarky003 said:
the machine works at 120% efficiencey at full capacity.
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Someone is either wrong or confused, i can't see where on their page they say that this device can operate at 120% efficiency, if it's just able to run for a very very long time, say at ~99% efficiency then great, but i'm not seeing the point of such a machine? they say:
The usefulness of such a device in rural or desolate areas of the world should be obvious to anyone.
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but surely instead of hauling out a huge version of this (from the very pretty but totally uninformative video it appears to be powering a total of 6 lightbulbs, hardly a useful energy output) to the latest earthquake devastation zone in the middle of nowhere it would be of more use to take a generator and a lot of fuel, or a big battery, or even a mass of solar panels?

It's a nice looking machine, but in reality, as a system, it will never be able to produce more energy than you have to put into it to make it run, sorry
 
Magnetic entropy means that machine will slow to a stop after a short time.

Secondly, you can't have 120% energy efficiency.
 
These explainations fall back on 100 year old write ups, classical EM theory assumes an inert vacuum (falsified since the 1930s), which is why your failing to understand. Classical theory is not wrong, it however is flawed.. which is why using textbook understanding cant explain overunity systems.

The first law or the law of energy conservation which says that all real-world processes involve transformations of energy
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the process of transformation in the case of overunity is derived from vaccum through the constantly replenished energy state of the permanent magnets, so its not in violation its just your materialistically overlooking the origin of the extra energy, and how we really dont understand the origins of magnetisim in the first place, vaccum energy is harnessed naturally through magnetisim.

As for entropy of the magnetic interaction,, it doesnt take place here.. for entropy to take place using permenant magnets they have to beable to neutralise by being free to do so, here your stopping them from completing the process by forcing only repelling interactions... they are trying to neutralise but you dont let them, eventually it would diminish if it wasnt well balanced but your talking about periods of immense time.

and you can have more than 100% efficiencey, because in this case as reported by the operators, eventually less is going in than there is coming out.. its classical dogma that refutes this happening, and thats because it has no concept of active Vaccum and its fundemental link with the generation of all forces and physical manifestations.
 
clarky, i see where you are falling down here, you are assuming that the magnets are a constant source of never ending magnet power, this is not the case, all magnets, even the rare earth ones used in most magnetic motors will degrade and run out, they cannot be "replenished from the vacuum". science knows a lot about magnetism, it's just not generally taught in detail until you get to higher levels of study, i'm not "overlooking" how the magnets magically recharge themselves i'm saying it simply doesn't happen.

i find it interesting that with this (and the many, many other similar devices claiming to violate energy conservation) there is no scientific interest in the community as a whole, having spent the last three years studying physics at degree level i would have at least expected to find someone of importance who is respected in the scientific community who actually supported these "breakthroughs" - or even anyone at all, why aren't there a huge line of companies desperately trying to buy this idea from the inventer? why has nobody leapt at the chance to be the first to prove wrong a theory that has stood rock solid for 300 years? thats about the same amount of time as the theory of gravitational attraction has stood, we see that every day but would that mean you'd be just as likely to back up a device that claimed to show or utilise two masses repelling each other? or water flowing uphill?

with these sorts of claims they always seem to operate in a cycle, the initial claim is made, many people investigate, most see the flaws but some hang on to the idea and it becomes more a matter of faith than science, in a way me saying this to you is going to have no more effect than if i'd told you budha was way more correct in his thinking than christ...

so we'll carry on, you'll keep telling me i'm overlooking the scientifically unfounded point which this machine happens to rely on. i'll keep saying it violates a well established law of science; CoE, and will never deliver what it promises...

perendev motor anyone?;)
 
bliink said:
Magnetic entropy means that machine will slow to a stop after a short time.

Secondly, you can't have 120% energy efficiency.
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1) Yes, since (as they state) no man-made thing will be able to last forever.

2) 120% efficiency as in it powers itself for one more revolution, and also has excess power, perhaps? Producing more power than it needs to sustain itself.
 
find it interesting that with this (and the many, many other similar devices claiming to violate energy conservation)
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But its not violating it you just think it does because your assuming that vaccum is inert, materialistically it seems so,, and as you stated.. I know magnets dont stay in order forever, but still for long periods of time, then when they show signs of diminishing, you can remagnetise. Im saying for these periods of time the energy flux is a natural manifestation from vaccum, which is not understood atall.. but it can be harnessed to produce workable output.. SMOT is the perfect example the extra input comes from the magnetic field, which is why it seems to the skeptic like the law is being broken.

This is far too elaborate to be a hoax, and you are daft if you overlook it for reasons of misunderstanding on materialistic grounds its proven that this vaccum energy exist's through propagational experiments of scalar waves, which are a none hertzian wave form. they can be verified by these experiment's

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm

http://www.cheniere.org/books/starwarsnow/scalardetector.htm

So religiously following scientific dogma, which contains elements of flawed theory is one sure way of not being able to realise that a one hundred year old 'theory' that considers everything around an 'inert' vaccum is wrong at that one base assumption.


you probably believe that the universe magically came out of nowhere in the big bang, the biggest violation of energy conservation ever.

And if you use your intuition its quite obvious that there isnt enough government science, or any government controlled institutional support for these new technologies because they would ruin the present economy which is dominated by big oil, they have enough money and power to put any kind of cap on anything that threatened the economy, this technology is quite simply great for people, bad for the present economy, cheaper energy means cheaper everything... people at the top of the chain dont want that.
 
like i said, for you it's now a matter of faith which you seem to want to defend vigorously, i'm not going to stay and go over the same points repeatedly and slowly with you but i will say that it's a shame there isn't one scientific paper (that i've found) that can support this, personally that would hold more credibility than unsubstantiated experimental "results" and information available on a free webhosted page that any nut with a computer could have written, but then maybe thats just me...

the scientific facts remain, if you want to believe in free energy and "the seething vacuum" (not vaccum) then thats fine, i'll believe it when i see more than a few pretty CAD drawings, shaky video shot in someone's dining room (nice curtains weren't they?), and flawed scientific reasoning.

*leaves to go argue on the "jesus was way better than mohammed" thread*:dozey:
 
ah an armchair scientist. Didnt realise.. if your not willing to even investigate or experiment for yourself like im doing , even simple experimental setups like the scalar wave transmitter's and detector's.. then I dont know why you even bother replying, not to mention in such a childish and derogative manner.
 
clarky003 said:
ah an armchair scientist. Didnt realise.. if your not willing to even investigate or experiment for yourself like im doing...
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really? so what experiments are you conducting to (dis)prove this? what research facility are you at? or does your "investigation" involve trawling as many internet sites of people who are speculating these devices as possible?

i'm not an "armchair scientist" - i spent the last three years studying for a degree in physics, working in on of the best research facilitys in the UK, and i know how the scientific procedure works, hell i wish there was a device that could pluck free energy from the vacuum and power the world but it's just not going to happen

*again* i'll ask you to produce any item of work submitted through proper channels and approved by other scientists which shows this device can work.

until then you'll keep believing and i'll not:upstare:
 
you might aswell of just said, 'I wont be trying any of that', and as for you assuming i believe in this ... Im just fascinated, and will build the scalar emitter and detector from the plans Naudin has for that matter alone.. ill try and verify the findings atleast. I cant help but still think respectively that your talking down to me like im something on the bottom of your shoe, Ive also got the feeling you didnt read through the JLN labs Scalar Waves Emitter page I linked which has all the new energy setup diagrams and tests available to experiment and compare with.
 
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