new H&K site ... pretty sweet

Wow, the design of the OICW has really changed since I remember last. Much more sexy now lol.
 
The XM8 is not the OICW. It's a competing gun for the same spot. The OICW looks mostly the same as it always did and I hope we go with an American made weapon system instead of a foreign one.
 
Top Secret said:
The XM8 is not the OICW. It's a competing gun for the same spot. The OICW looks mostly the same as it always did and I hope we go with an American made weapon system instead of a foreign one.
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As a direct development of the separable OICW (XM29) KE or Kinetic Energy module, the M8 Carbine will share a high degree of common parts and training and maintenance procedures to lessen the required support for the “family” of XM8 weapons.

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/rifles-carbines/xm8.html
 
That HK website looks exactly like the design of a H&K "fan" website I used to vist a few years ago... Anyone know which one I'm on about? The design looks identical.
 
ok the xm8 derived from the xm29 due to the xm29 not coming out til 2008 and needing to be lighter, therefore the developed the xm8 from the xm29, the weapon is essentailly the xm29 without the 20mm HE rounds. still fires the 5.56 NATO round and can handle over 9000 more rounds than the m4/m16 in the worst possible conditions. the weapon is lighter and by the time it comes outs(2005) it will be even lighter(5.7 pounds goal), matinece takes less than 2 minutes, it is in every possible way better than the m4/m16.

H&K USA is based in america, so it is essentailly made by and designed by americans.

http://www.hk-usa.com/video/XM8_auto.wmv

http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison.pdf

http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8 sheet111703.pdf

http://www.hk-usa.com/video/Comments002.wmv

have fun.

Edit: oh and they arnt competing, there are different guns for different purposes, note the name of the xm29, Objective Indivdual Combat Weapon.
 
now that I see video's of it, the XM8 really reminds me of halo guns.
 
Site still seems ineficient compared to www.hkpro.com...:(
Oh nosE!
I don't think I know how to speel ineficient...
it has an I right?:eek:
 
Nice. I'm gettin' an AirSoft (Tokyo Marui) G36c for Christmas... CAN'T WAIT! :D
 
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The XM8 is just a renamed and repackaged G36 with the changes only made so they can get it past the US DoD's traditional case of NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. The only real advantage it'll have over the current M16/M4 weapons is the ease of maintainance and mechanical reliability -- otherwise it'll have the same sorts of problems as are being encountered in Afghanistan/Iraq at present: full size version is too long for use in vehicles, and when going to the carbine version (as with the M4) the effective range and KE drops well below what is expected of a real assault rifle.

The 5.56mm part of the OICW was also just a cut-down G36. Basically the OICW as a whole was only intended to replace the M203 in the US squad's fireteams -- it's just too bulky for general issue to all the troops. AFAIK the OICW's just recently been cut from future development -- they've more or less given up on trying to get it working and soldier-proofed.
 
Not only. It will have many other advantages over the moraly obsolete M4/ M16's. XM8's price is about 600$, 950$ for the M4; 1.5 times liter and so on...


Also, I noticed a strange thing. Every army which is changing their standart rifles, is changing to bullpap systems, unlike the americans, they take he same type of mechanism. Conservatism?
 
NSPIRE said:
Nice. I'm gettin' an AirSoft (Tokyo Marui) G36c for Christmas... CAN'T WAIT! :D
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uber, my parents dont let me get airsoft... pretty pussyish eh??
 
Loshadka said:
Also, I noticed a strange thing. Every army which is changing their standart rifles, is changing to bullpap systems, unlike the americans, they take he same type of mechanism. Conservatism?
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Who knows what lurks in the mind of the 'merkhin military high command (maybe The Shadow knows?). I don't think there's any doubting that the bullpup layout is the near future -- as is top loading magazines (think P90) and caseless rounds (ala G11) -- you get the proper length for the barrel in the shorter overall package which the increasing mechanisation of modern armies demands.

Even if caseless doesn't happen (although the G11 has proved it works; no cook-offs or similar problems anymore) most modern designs deal with the ejection problem for lefties: the Famas ejects straight up?; the P90 straight down; and the FN F2000 actually pushes the cartridges along a tube and out the front near the muzzle.

The US troops in Iraq are demanding the M4 because they can use it from vehicles (unlke the M16) -- but then you've got the troops in Afghanistan bashing the M4 because it's max effective range is only 200m and it's lacking the much vaunted 'knockdown' power.

And finally for once the Brit troops are giving the L85/86 some positive notices (since the last HK upgrade) in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's now as, if not more, mechanically reliable than the M16 series and still gets the important full 400m range from the 5.56mm while in a package as short as the M4.
http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/SA80.htm
 
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