New Osama Video

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The day america embraces islam is a cold day in hell. (reference to the video where he pleads the USA to convert to islam).
 
You can't really trust what the CIA might say about it these days. They could just as easily declare it genuine in order for them to have further reason to keep chasing the guy and doing collateral damage to various groups in the process.
 
Actually Bushie already said that it 'proved' that their war in Iraq was a war against Terror.
 
wasnt his beard all gray and white before?
 
American intelligence services are a complete joke. Laughing stock of the world.

Weapons of mass destruction? Wtf?
 
^ Uhm. Dude. We did however know that an attack on America was likely from Osama Bin Laden for the past two administrations -- our lack of stopping this threat early is what cost us.

Thats a joke.
 
America should make this a thing between Osama and them: Every time he sends them something, they burry it in pig guts, urine, etc.
 
I think that's a job for the producers of South Park, not for the US administration.

Anyway if the US wanted to fight for the highly sought-after prize of chief propagandist, they could do that.
 
Embrace Islam? **** you, how about you embrace a hellfire missile instead.
 
if he really says for the americans to "embrace islam" then I think is dumb

cuz considering how they say all that stuff about "we live to die we are going to kill you all in a sea of fire blablablabla" and now they come whit "lol convert to islam and we will not kill ya" and that dont make them so menacing since the people of the usa will say no just as al qaeda will say no to any peace stuff
 
Ravioli said:
wasnt his beard all gray and white before?
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They said they suspect it is a fake beard... as in perhaps he shaved his beard to fit into a different community, a muslim community that doesn't have beards, such as in some other areas of the world,
 
Yeah, poor enough to be concerned about his appearance, so he dyes and trims his beard.

I wonder who wrote his script, because he doesn't seem to of memorised it well enough seeing as he has to keep looking at it every 5 seconds.
 
why would they air this? you really have to ask yourself what purpose it serves ....I'd really like the bush administration to answer that question ..I mean he calls for renewed attacks on the west if anything you wouldnt want this sort of thing to become public
 
From some of the excerpts I have a really hard time believing this is real. When was the last time you heard a leader of an organization that has declared jihad against the west concerned about global warming. Total bullcrap, he might as well have been wearing GOP shirts throughout this entire video because this was nothing more than a RNC commercial.
 
No Limit said:
When was the last time you heard a leader of an organization that has declared jihad against the west concerned about global warming.
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Well, it is pretty hot over there. :|

Per usual, tomorrow, I believe we get to hear the last will and testament of one of the 9/11 f**k-heads...as read by King F**k-Head himself.
 
why would they air this? you really have to ask yourself what purpose it serves ....I'd really like the bush administration to answer that question ..I mean he calls for renewed attacks on the west if anything you wouldnt want this sort of thing to become public
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Uhm, to let the public know to be aware would be my thought. However, thats not the only thing and the reasons stretch from Alien conspiracy theories to that face on mars.
 
islamist web sites anyway so it doesn't really matter if they air it on TV
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Sure, because most people do not want to watch issues of they're diverse-o-phobe propaganda, massacres, and murder video publications.
 
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/9/9/61032/95401

Osama Bin Laden's widely publicized video address to the American people has a peculiarity that casts serious doubt on its authenticity: the video freezes at about 1 minute and 58 seconds, and motion only resumes again at 12:30. The video then freezes again at 14:02 remains frozen until the end. All references to current events, such as the 62nd anniversary of the U.S. atomic bombing of Japan, and Sarkozy and Brown being the leaders of France and the UK, respectively, occur when the video is frozen! The words spoken when the video is in motion contain no references to contemporary events and could have been (and likely were) made before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

The audio track does appear to be in the voice of a single speaker. What I suspect was done is that an older, unreleased video was dubbed over for this release, with the video frozen when the audio track departed from that of the original video.
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I'm convinced it's fake after watching the whole thing and reading that. Same people/organisations are still trying to mess with our minds.
 
CptStern said:
why would they air this? you really have to ask yourself what purpose it serves ....I'd really like the bush administration to answer that question ..I mean he calls for renewed attacks on the west if anything you wouldnt want this sort of thing to become public
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Because if you withhold the information it will eventually get leaked and everyone and their media dog will get pissed at the government and stir up frenzyshit.
 
Jintor said:
Because if you withhold the information it will eventually get leaked and everyone and their media dog will get pissed at the government and stir up frenzyshit.
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there's a difference between burying it behind the obituaries or opposite an ad for shoes and broadcasting it on every single outlet ad nauseum ..it's all part of the war machine effort to keep the hearts and minds focused on the "threat" ..funny how no one ever asks the US why they havent caught him yet
 
His nose is too big, so it's clearly a Jew and that proves it's all a NWO conspiracy.
 
Am I reading this right?

Stern, are you angry that this video's been made available to see? To blame the mass airing of it on the monolithic "war effort" is dishonest. It's Osama. It's news. Media agencies would have been picking up on it regardless of whether or not it was the intention of the administration to provoke support.

I can vividly imagine the kind of acerbic commentary this forum would have produced if the video was withheld. Can we at least come down to some sort of reasonable ground where we admit that not every act of the administration is pure evil and could be, at the very least, simply benign?
 
Absinthe said:
Am I reading this right?

Stern, are you angry that this video's been made available to see?
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no, why would I be angry?

Absinthe said:
To blame the mass airing of it on the monolithic "war effort" is dishonest. It's Osama. It's news. Media agencies would have been picking up on it regardless of whether or not it was the intention of the administration to provoke support.
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yes I realise this

Absinthe said:
I can vividly imagine the kind of acerbic commentary this forum would have produced if the video was withheld. Can we at least come down to some sort of reasonable ground where we admit that not every act of the administration is pure evil and could be, at the very least, simply benign?
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hardly benign, it supports their recent surge policy, it supports the idea that america is far from danger from the likes of Osama ..it's almost an ad for "the war on terror" ..you read to much into my statements
 
Ads need to have explicit intent.

This is just the news. Any support it garners for the war on terror is incidental.
 
@ stern,

What makes you think the American goventment has "released" this? It was first realeased on an islamic newsite, the american government never had a cjance to stop it, even if they wanted to.
 
The Monkey said:
What makes you think the American goventment has "released" this? It was first realeased on an islamic newsite, the american government never had a cjance to stop it, even if they wanted to.
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Not sure who you're responding to, but yeah. That too. This was going to be out in the open any way. It seems misguided to blame the administration for any of this.
 
news that they use to their advantage ..on both sides.

monkey if you're talking to me, yes I realise it wasnt released by the pentagon ..regardless Bush cited the video specifically as an example as to why america needs vigilent; it supports and justifies the war on terror
 
have there been any comments from Bush regarding this video?
 
2007 ? At the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Sydney, Australia, President Bush used a photo opportunity with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to react publicly to a new video featuring Osama bin Laden.

The tape is "a reminder about the dangerous world in which we live," Bush said.

"It's important that we show resolve and determination to protect ourselves, deny al-Qaida safe haven and support young democracies," Bush said.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14261572
 
CptStern said:
news that they use to their advantage ..on both sides.
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Could the video tape be helpful to the US administration? Sure. But only as helpful as viewers allow it to be. There is no current agenda utilizing the video to instill fear of Al Qaeda back into the American population. If people begin favoring support for the war again as a result, it will be a decision of their own making without Bush breathing down their necks.
 
Indeed Absinthe, the viewers might as well interpret it as "Osama is still alive so the whole war against terror is a failure and a big joke". That's how I would interpret it at least.
 
Absinthe said:
Could the video tape be helpful to the US administration? Sure. But only as helpful as viewers allow it to be.
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viewers for the most part will take it at face value ..i think the lead up to war and the nature of viewer susceptability to information/disinformation shows that people are willing to believe whatever they are spoon fed

Absinthe said:
There is no current agenda utilizing the video to instill fear of Al Qaeda back into the American population.
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there doesnt have to be an agenda ..simply showing it does what it's meant to do, that's the point behind making the video ...the bush admin simply uses it to suit their agenda ..bush went on to say (from the above link):

"I found it interesting that on the tape, Iraq was mentioned, which is a reminder that Iraq is a part of this war against extremists," Bush said. "If al-Qaida bothers to mention Iraq, it's because they want to achieve their objectives in Iraq, which is to drive us out and to develop a safe haven. And the reason they want a safe haven is to launch attacks against America or any other ally."
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Absinthe said:
If people begin favoring support for the war again as a result, it will be a decision of their own making without Bush breathing down their necks.
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the public for the most part is apathetic enough that they'll belive what they're told. Whether it successfully sways hearts and minds is inconsequential but I'm willing to bet there's some, albeit momentary, rise in approval rating ..those who still drink the koolaid are most likely vindicated somewhat that bush draws a hardline on terrorism thereby strengthening their resolve
 
CptStern said:
viewers for the most part will take it at face value ..i think the lead up to war and the nature of viewer susceptability to information/disinformation shows that people are willing to believe whatever they are spoon fed

there doesnt have to be an agenda ..simply showing it does what it's meant to do, that's the point behind making the video ...the bush admin simply uses it to suit their agenda ..bush went on to say (from the above link):

the public for the most part is apathetic enough that they'll belive what they're told. Whether it successfully sways hearts and minds is inconsequential but I'm willing to bet there's some, albeit momentary, rise in approval rating ..those who still drink the koolaid are most likely vindicated somewhat that bush draws a hardline on terrorism thereby strengthening their resolve
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Except nothing's being spoonfed here. Osama's video is just an objective fact of reality. Aside from some typical but expected rhetoric from the president on the subject matter, this isn't being spun into anything currently. He's entirely predictable and he's certainly not building his case for keeping troops in the Middle East on on the video. Besides, I do believe Americans are starting to wise up a bit if his approval rating today is of any sign. After years of seeing the dissonance between Bush's positive attitude and the grim reality seen every day, people eventually have to start waking up.

If the release of this video results in resumed support, it's not an indication of political PR meddling with minds. It's an indication of stupidity among some areas of US population, who would be more than willing to throw their chips back into the Bush camp without any outside help from the government. There are many things about the administration deserving of a scornful eye. This is not one of them.
 
Quote, "Latest Bin Laden Video Is a Forgery: All References to Current Events Are Made During Video Freeze

by George Maschke

Sun Sep 9th, 2007 at 06:10:31 AM EST

Osama Bin Laden's widely publicized video address to the American people has a peculiarity that casts serious doubt on its authenticity: the video freezes at about 1 minute and 36 58 seconds, and motion only resumes again at 12:30. The video then freezes again at 14:02 remains frozen until the end. All references to current events, such as the 62nd anniversary of the U.S. atomic bombing of Japan, and Sarkozy and Brown being the leaders of France and the UK, respectively, occur when the video is frozen! The words spoken when the video is in motion contain no references to contemporary events and could have been (and likely were) made before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

The audio track does appear to be in the voice of a single speaker. What I suspect was done is that an older, unreleased video was dubbed over for this release, with the video frozen when the audio track departed from that of the original video.
The video may be downloaded as a 677 mb MPEG file here.

<http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/9/9/61032/95401>
 
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