New Texan educational plan!

[Gargantou]

The school/educational department of Texas has adopted a new educational plan.

The four core tenents are as follow

1. seperation of church and state was a mistake

2. the american culture and its values benefit the entire world

3. The UN and other international organisations are a major threat to US personal liberties

4. Taxes are extremely dangerous and harmful of economic development.

Another part of the adopted plan is that Thomas Jefferson is to be given far less attention and is basically demoted to having had a far smaller role in American history than he did.

The new plan passed with nine of the 'board'-members voting yes for the new plan and five voting against it.

One part of the proposed plan that did not make it through was the suggestion to replace the term slavery with "the Atlantic Triangle-Trade."

Now fears among liberals are high that this will have a negative effect on the rest of the USA's educational system, because due to the fact that Texas is the nations largest consumer of schoolbooks, the schoolbooks have traditionally been written and tailored towards Texas "curriculum" and yet these same books are also shipped off to the rest of the nation.

I only really have one thing I can say in response to this, God bless stupid Texans.

Source: I saw it on CNN and it was in a Swedish newspaper called Aftonbladet(http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article7171654.ab).

 

[Acepilotf14]

Uhm.. no.

 

[Solaris]

We'll need a better source I think. That is just far too absurd.

 

[Gargantou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcX8XcTlRtA

Here's a video about the adoption of the new curriculum, courtesy of AP.

It's almost 11PM and I'm way too lazy to dig up further sources at the moment, you can try googling "Texas May Curriculum" or something yourself, that's how I found said video which by the way is from yesterday.

 

[Solaris]

It's almost 11PM and I'm way too lazy to dig up further sources at the moment, you can try googling "Texas May Curriculum" or something yourself, that's how I found said video which by the way is from yesterday.

You make the thread, you find the sources... We can never have constructive debate if you demand I first prove your argument for you.

 

[Acepilotf14]

Uhh.. hahaha.. ha.

Can't even understand how people can be proud of that state anymore.

 

[Dax]

What, that "Texas OKs school guidelines after ideological debate"? Yeah, I read about it earlier today. Seems to be the case. How other states will react to this remains to be seen.

 

[Solaris]

As Dawkins says, Children shouldn't be taught what to think, but rather, how to think.

 

[Mr. Djees]

I'm guessing Aftonbladet reads the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/21/texas-board-of-education-_n_584697.html.

They seem to have extracted the most controversial statements from that article and sensationalized them.

Greve sköt neger med jaktgevär?

 

[Gargantou]

I'm guessing Aftonbladet reads the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/21/texas-board-of-education-_n_584697.html.

They seem to have extracted the most controversial statements from that article and sensationalized them.

Greve sköt neger med jaktgevär?

A newspaper sensationalizing its reports!? Someone alert the press! Oh wait..

Still, it does seem to be fairly fudged up guidelines, hence the outrage and hence why so many people in Texas were protesting against it getting implemented.

 

[Nabobalis]

As Dawkins says, Children shouldn't be taught what to think, but rather, how to think.

But they also need to be taught facts.

 

[Maestro]

Great, politics in the classroom. So glad I'm a senior next year, I can leave all this shit behind.

 

[unozero]

ugh....I'm in the same country as these ****ers.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

Can't we just LET them secede? They'll just die out on their own. Or we'll have a new nazi empire just to the south that we can h-bomb at any time.

 

[Solaris]

I've yet to see a reputable source for this thread...

 

[Sheepo]

Wow, I was going to post a picture of Angry Jefferson while quoting Point 1, but then I read the part about excluding Jefferson specifically and then I just started to rage like I've never raged before.

Also, "The Triangle Trade Route" has been in my textbooks for years. I don't think there is ever mention of a "slave trade" specifically, although it talks specifically about the slave trade, so the different title never really bothered me.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

I've yet to see a reputable source for this thread...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37271857/ns/us_news-life/

 

[Solaris]

****ing outrageous really that anybody thinks the kids curriculum should be set to suit anybodies political agenda. From the interviews seems the 'democrats' don't see the problem in that either.

 

[DEATHMASTER]

'Leave the Texas alone, it will kill itself' - Ijustmadethisup.

 

[dfc05]

I lived in Texas for 22 years and so still read up on their news since it's far more interesting than Pennsylvania news. I'm really pissed off that people on the State Board of Education are not required to be either educators or historians. The most flagrantly political person (Don McLeroy) is a suburban dentist appointed by Perry (no surprise there). So yeah, of course they're going to make crappy decisions when they're not qualified for the job and essentially sitting there making ridiculous, opinion/politics-based decisions.

If you are really bored:
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=3643

The only hope would be for a few other big states to ban Texas textbooks. Alternatively, individual teachers could actually put in the effort to not teach directly from the book.

 

[Gargantou]

I've yet to see a reputable source for this thread...

AP ain't a reputable source?:upstare:

 

[Dr.Demento]

****ing outrageous really that anybody thinks the kids curriculum should be set to suit anybodies political agenda. From the interviews seems the 'democrats' don't see the problem in that either.

Isn't that the goal of the educational system in the first place?

I've heard in the past and as stated in a previous post above that all the states of the US in general, and not just Texas, brainwashes kids rather than teaching them to think on their own. Which is why it's educational system leaves so much to be desired. That they should focus less on literature and history, and more on mathematics and science. The whole brainwashing thing could really be said for any first world country though and not just the US. After all, why wouldn't politicians want kids, possible leaders of tomorrow, to think a certain way other than their own?

 

[Acepilotf14]

Isn't that the goal of the educational system in the first place?

I've heard in the past and as stated in a previous post above that all the states of the US in general, and not just Texas, brainwashes kids rather than teaching them to think on their own. Which is why it's educational system leaves so much to be desired. That they should focus less on literature and history, and more on mathematics and science. The whole brainwashing thing could really be said for any first world country though and not just the US. After all, why wouldn't politicians want kids to think a certain way other than their own way of reasoning?

Uhm.. no.

This year particularly, I have a pretty good social studies teacher. He doesn't go exactly by the book, and he often tells us things that they don't tell in the books.

You're saying that like the US is a dictatorship where they brainwash the kids to love The Dear Leader. They can't get away with it anymore, because of the media and the internet.

 

[Dr.Demento]

Uhm.. no.

This year particularly, I have a pretty good social studies teacher. He doesn't go exactly by the book, and he often tells us things that they don't tell in the books.

You're saying that like the US is a dictatorship where they brainwash the kids to love The Dear Leader. They can't get away with it anymore, because of the media and the internet.

I never said the US is a dictatorship. Maybe you misunderstood what I said.

The US just seems to have very persuasive politicians. A big difference from countries like NK that rule by force and censorship. But even in the US, almost everyone has been brainwashed to think a certain way. Not through coersion, but through the power of persuasion. It doesn't take a genius to realize that this is the cornerstone principle of democracy.

Choice = persuasion

No choice = coersion

How is this related to the outlandish new educational plan for Texans? Well, people naturally are going to choose what they are most comfortable with and since Texas is so notoriously Republican based, the people there are going to choose a politician whose Republican based ideas are better suited to their beliefs.

It might sound like a contradiction to say that people in Texas, the US, or any democratic country is brainwashed, but not so much when you think about how many people will vote for a retard just because he's a Republican or a Democrat or whatever other parties govern other nations. People in free nations always assume too much when voting for a certain party and expect more of the same just because that politician is a certain party. Futhermore, different groups of people who grow up in different areas are bound to take on the beliefs and traditions that have been passed down for generations, as ludicrous as these beliefs seem to some are not to them.

I guess what I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that civilization in general is a lie.

 

[swan_song1973]

the ultimate burn for texas: give em back to mexico

 

[Emporius]

Didn't we have this EXACT same thread like a month ago?

 

[Acepilotf14]

Didn't we have this EXACT same thread like a month ago?

That was about another farce in Texas' educational system. This is a new one.

 

[Solaris]

AP ain't a reputable source?:upstare:

AP video doesn't really correlate the claims you made in the original post.

 

[Gargantou]

AP video doesn't really correlate the claims you made in the original post.

Fair enough, but a simple Google would.

Though I admit the onus was mine, we all make mistakes eh?

What's important in the end is that I was telling the truth.

 

[Solaris]

Fair enough, but a simple Google would.

Though I admit the onus was mine, we all make mistakes eh?

What's important in the end is that I was telling the truth.

Well yes and no.

You still don't seem to grasp the idea that it's totally bizarre to ask others to find evidence for your own arguments or reporting, if it never happened, or you are misreporting it how will I ever be able to prove it.

Either way, it does seem what you said did have factual basis and I share your disdain for what has happened.

 

[Gargantou]

I do get the absurdity of it, I'm just too ashamed to admit that it all came down to me being a lazy bastard.

 

[Eejit]

Almost relevant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbR7os_q9k