Next X-box not going to have hard drive

What i see it as meaning is no change really, apart from reducing production costs

Little one gig key chains instead of a HDD will be better and more practical, i have yet to hear of anyone run out of space on an Xbox HDD (don't say anything you warez monkeys :p)

Loads of people seem to be crying about how they only bought the Xbox for the HDD, so they could listen to music in game. But the removable storage could still have music put on it, so you stick your music cd in the Xbox 'copy music to memory card' and there you go. Still the same functions but on a portable medium.

And you could also take Xbox Live stuff round to friends houses, as well as save games etc.

I'm quite in favour of the idea, hopefully it won't cost too much for a memory card........
 
So far theres no real proof, but enough circumstantial evidence to suspect that this may be the case.
And I'd be really surprised if the price was different from competitors like the PS2.
 
The whole point of the big hard drive is so you don't need to buy extra storage. If a 1GB card costs $200 (that's lower than the average price of 1GB cards) you would have to spend an extra $1600 to get the same storage as the old XBox hard drive (which would probably cost them $15... close to the same price of a flash card reader). That is why the people that copy a lot of music to their HD (like me) are complaining.

If they just build a flash card reader into the XBox they are giving us less for the money we spend on the console itself and making us spend ridiculous amounts of money to get the same amount of storage that was standard before. I know several people who filled their XBox hard drives up (I've made a good-sized dent in it, but haven't filled it) with game saves and music that will be even more pissed than I am about Microsoft replacing a cheap form of storage with a much more expensive, yet more portable form of storage.

If they wanted to cut costs on built-in storage, yet keep the prices down they should have just built a normal hard-drive slot into the XBox. You can get 80 old 10GB+ hard drives (about 0.8 TB total) for the price of 8GB of flash storage. They could do this... but they won't because they can make tons more money with the flash card sales than if they sold XBox add-on hard drives.

On portability, normal-sized hard drives aren't huge as is... but there is an even smaller one (4GB) inside the mini iPod. Microsoft could package similar tiny hard drives in black/green plastic and sell those instead of flash cards. At that size and weight you could probably even make them able to be plugged directly into the controllers. They would probably cost about 1/4 as much, or less.

Still, I would prefer that they used standard-sized drives that use NTFS or Linux's file system... that way we wouldn't have to buy only XBox-compatible add-on drives. That is what I liked about the XBox. All of the extra parts needed to network them were already sitting in the droors of my computer desk before I even bought my XBox.

Why do I even bother talking about cheap, non-proprietary alternatives? Microsoft wants something that will make lots of money... and whatever they are, they want a monopoly in them.
 
I think they may also be reacting to the fact that they lose money right now for ever X-Box.
 
A flash card reader probably costs almost as much as a 5gb or 8gb hard drive anyway and if the small hard drives (or even the normal ones) were sold as add-ons (like sliding an extra HD or CD-ROM drive into a laptop) you could cut out the cost of the HD itself and negate the cost benefit of going with a flash reader on the console (assuming that the user buys no storage).

The only reason I can see for them to go with the flash cards is that people will pay a lot more money for them than for a tiny hard drive of equal storage.
 
$10 says its called "X-Box 2" or "XB2" for short. Obey your thirst, drink sprite.
 
I thought people were calling it "XBox Next" (which, IMO, is worse than XBox 2).
 
OCybrManO said:
I thought people were calling it "XBox Next" (which, IMO, is worse than XBox 2).
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I thought people were calling it "NeXtBox" (which, IMO, looks pretty ****in' gay when you type it).
 
unless they are completely retarded, another hardrive will come...

or im not payin 400 dolla...I think but I am a sucka

anyways... gamespy is kind of boycotting it.... so maye theyl listen to massive corps. if not the gameing commnunity...


but flash memory cards would be expensive... but possibly a decent idea... as they can have several gigs of data stored (see ipod tech) idk exactly all the details but im still all for an HD on the info I know
 
They'll probably call it by its project name, Xenon.

They are taking the black and white buttons off the controller too, beacuse they are 'under-used' aparently.

Oh well. Can't wait for Project Gotham Racing 3!!! :D
 
I don't think they have a real name yet, they're just using all those as something to call it for the time being.
And since when has Gamespy been boycotting it? They had a few articles mentioning that they didn't like the idea (as did almost every other publication), but they haven't stopped talking about it or anything.
 
Microsoft is losing drastically in the console war - and their solution is to cut features and piss off their core fanbase? Mark my words, PS3 and maybe GC2 will have a HD and XNext or whatever the hell will be left in the dust. I really hope that people aren't so stupid to say, "Look, the X-BOX 2 costs $100 less than PS3, lets get that one depite the fact that we have to spend another $200 to save our games."
 
Wow, look and ignorant fnaboy! STFU scott you are dumb as **** and you don't know what you are talking about. Xbox is beating GC in sales, and also has the best online service of any gaming platform.
 
Stop it Foxtrot, no need to ****ing go into personal attacks.
 
Ya calm down Foxtrot. Besides it is true that X-box is losing the console war, Gamecube sales have recently been surpassing X-box sales, and then when you consider what the potential cost could be to players who may end up needing to buy these flashcards then you can kind of understand where hes comming from.
 
X-Box never really hit it big in Japan either, a major problem when its competitors have access to an entire other market.
 
Foxtrot said:
Wow, look and ignorant fnaboy! STFU scott you are dumb as **** and you don't know what you are talking about. Xbox is beating GC in sales, and also has the best online service of any gaming platform.
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You are a stupid person.

Nothing I said was fanboyish or untrue. X-BOX is losing to GC and they're both losing to PS2. These are statistical facts, not my opinion. It is my opinion, and a very rational one, that it would be stupid for MS to remove the HD from X-BOX 2. But if there's enough people like you around to blindly buy it anyway and spend a helluva lot more in the long run despite paying a lower ticket price, then maybe they know what they're doing.

However, it is obvious that it will be a major disadvantage to the quality of MS's next console if it does not have a HD. Sony has expressed they they will probably include a HD in PS3 and it is possible that Nintendo will too. If MS wants to stay in the game they need to improve their console, not try to suck more money out of the fans. Then again this is MS we're talking about, so we know which option they'll pick.
 
Sorry for insulting your scott, I have problems :p But I think this is a great idea, I know memory cards can't even hold one KOTOR or Morrowind save. If they package atleast 1 with the xbox then I won't have a problem because that is all I would ever use.
 
Another thing, I don't think Microsoft will be trieing to cut costs if anyone will be it would be Sony. There console shipped naked and you had to spend $200 to bring it up to the standard.
 
I wouldn't say that. The internet adapter wasn't available immedietly so they couldn't include it, and it was worth about $50. A memory card runs between $15-20, with another controller coming in at $25-$35. The harddrive is totally unnecessary except for special cases like FF11.
 
Don't you also need some sort of adapter so you can have 4 controllers?
 
The harddrive is totally unnecessary except for special cases like FF11.
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Perhaps, because there wasn't a hard drive the games were not made to depend on having that kind of storage. You don't make mass produce a car that is supposed to run on hydrogen until there are places (like gas/petrol stations but with hydrogen) to actually get the hydrogen. For example, a game like "Blinx: The Time Sweeper" would not have been made if there was no hard drive on the XBox.

I would have spent hundreds of dollars on memory cards if it weren't for that built-in hard drive. MS now sees that as an opportunity for making more money. Convenience comes after profit.
 
But you dont make places to buy hydrogen from unless people have hydrogen cars and want 2 buy it :p

Chicken and Egg situation :p
 
The PS2 does fine without it....the games are made with the specs of the console in mind, and two out of the three systems don't have a hard drive and get along fine without it.
But the next generation of consoles will almost certainly make use of a hard drive, so the lack of one on the next X-Box would be very conspicuous.
And lastly, the PS2's games more frequently support two player than they do four, so the multitap for four player is a luxury that only some people will find useful.
 
Before you mass produce them you have to try to get support for them. If you can't get people to start preparing for the hydrogen cars you will never be able to sell any of them.

It's not a chicken and egg situation... because no one is going to buy them without a place to fill them up, but many gas stations would add hydrogen if they think the consumers will buy them because hydrogen is cleaner (burning hydrogen only produces water) and more abundant than fossil fuels. The support has to be there before the sales will come.

So, the hard drive has to be there before the game developers will use it. Having the storage come as an expensive add-on and not having one come standard with the console will make lots of developers overlook it, because they want to appeal to the wider audience.
 
Foxtrot said:
Another thing, I don't think Microsoft will be trieing to cut costs if anyone will be it would be Sony. There console shipped naked and you had to spend $200 to bring it up to the standard.
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Well, PS2 has a bunch of things X-BOX doesn't as well. When they both originally launched they retailed for $300, but PS2 launched about a year earlier than X-BOX. PS2 had a DVD player out of the box, no extra purchase required. The PS2 also had backwards compatibility with PS1 games at launch, so it basically already had a wealth of titles to play. With the PS2 all you have to buy to make it fully functional is a $15 memory card and a $50 internet adapter.

X-BOX had a hard drive and an internet hook-up immediately, as well as two extra controller hook-ups. However, if you wanted a DVD player you had to go out and buy a separate thing for it. Also, MS released the console with a crappy controller forcing you to buy a decent one later.

Both companied tried to get their customers to go out and buy add-ons for it, and all companies always will. This is just the way it is, but MS is known for it more.
 
IMO, the HDD was kind of gimmick-y in the first place...

but w/ all console... they all ship naked so don't bitch, it's a money making scam! ... only gaming device that doesn't come naked is a PC... ahhh, PC.... where the only desicion you have to make is ATi or Nvidia... which is really no choice... :)
 
I prefer the original controller for FPS and the S for other games, I don't think the original was that bad it was just not for little kids(even though my 9 year brother could use it just fine and he never complained).
 
as i recall(i have several friends who bought x-boxes early one) you could swap the old controllers for new ones. something like that, i dont know specifically the entire mechanism involved, but i do know that 3 people i know traded 6 original controllers for 6 S controllers.

but yeah, consoles are gonna make you accessorize, period. they dont make money on the console, they make it on the games and addon crap.(glaring example: MS, which sold xboxes below profit.)(wait, isnt that illegal? that must just be for retailers, hmm.)
 
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