Nihilanth in Half-Life 2

[CLASSIFIED]

Did anyone else notice that when we start the game and the G-man speaks, you hear the Nihilanth Repeating "...Free...Man..."
and at some point he says "...Not you alone.. Not you Alone..."
which is something the Nihilanth Told us back then at Xen.

If you try hard to listen it doesn't sounds like the nihilanth but if you only pay attention without trying hard to understand what he says, you can defently hear him.

I remember the some of the Nihilanth's Lines from the 1st game

"...Decive you will Decive you..." (Notice that the last word of the line is the begining of the line, it's also the first word of the line)

"...You are man, he is not man.. for you he waits for you..."

"...Not you alone not you.."

"...Their Slaves... We'er their Slaves...We are.."

"...Done... what have you done.. what have you..." (after killing some Allien Slaves)

"...The last.. you are the last..."

btw did anyone else find commons between "Lord of The Rings" and "Half-Life 2"?

for example: LOR: an old guy creating orces HL2: an old guy, combining human with alliens?

as well as the places. somehow they got these things in common

 

[Asknoone]

I think this should be in singleplayer discussion but...hmm...i am not sure really, didnt hear anythign liek that.

"...Done... what have you done.. what have you..." (after killing some Allien Slaves)

I think it was after killing gonarch, actually.

 

[Danimal]

Woah, I should listen in next time

 

[Dr. Freeman]

hmm..that first post is confusing..kinda because Nihilanth was the end boss of HL1 and so.. i am not sure why HL2 is being mentioned in all this.
as for what Nihilanth says...everyone seems to have similar interpretations but nothing is solid i think.

and yeah this thread belongs in the Single player discussion where much of the speculation is that the G-man is not human.. Nihilanth saying such a thing would only strengthen that arguement.

 

[Sid Burn]

Hmm... well, never heard this even in max vol.

 

[Sanius]

if this is true, i'll be extremly freaked out :O it would mean that everything gordon has fought for was wrong..

 

[Sid Burn]

if this is true, i'll be extremly freaked out :O it would mean that everything gordon has fought for was wrong..

Well, it was right for the Vortigaunts...

 

[Danimal]

The vortigaunt is always right...

 

[mayfer]

there are no nihilanth sounds in the .gfc's.

 

[sfc_hoot]

there are no nihilanth sounds in the .gfc's.

Correct. The Nihilanth was the end boss of HL1, he does not appear at any time in HL2. The only reference to the Nihilanth in HL2 comes from some of the Vortigaunt sentences. I'll post the Nihilanth's sentences from HL1 anyway:


1. “Alone - aren’t you alone - aren’t you alone”
2. “Comes another”
3. “Deceive you - will deceive you.”
4. “Die - you all die - you all die.”
5. “Done - what have you done?”
6. “Freeman!!!!!”
7. “The last - you are the last - you are.”
8. “You are man. He is not man. For you he waits - for you.”
9. “Now - die now - die now!”
10. “Their slaves - we are their slaves - we are.”
11. “The last - I am the last.”
12. “The truth - you can never know the truth.”
13. “Thieves - you all are thieves - you all are!”
14. “Win - you cannot win.”


And my theories:

1. Can't say much on it.
2. By that, he means that Freeman is just another HEV-suited man sent to Xen.
3. Perhaps the G-man will deceive Gordon?
4. This ones interesting. The Nihilanth, like the Vorts, doesn't lie. Perhaps some kind of hint to the apocalypse?
5. He says it after you slay the Gonarch. The killing of the Gonarch will result in a huge lack of Headcrabs on Xen, therefore greatly upsetting the food chain. It will likely cause a holocaust.
6. Just saying Freeman's name. Wonder how he found out?
7. Quite interesting. Haven't been able to cook anything up about it right now.
8. This one's very interesting. He's definitely referring to the G-Man, because the only person that waits for you after the Nihilanth, is in fact, the G-Man.
9. He could be referring to himself, just before his demise.
10. Definitely referring to the Combine, as Xen was under Combine control long before humans discovered it. This explains the Nihilanths biomechanical implants and the shackles he wears.
11. I think he means that he is the last that Freeman will have to challenge.
12. He might be telling Freeman that this isn't just as simple as: "Come into my cavern and kill me with your gluon gun." There is a lot more to the whole Xen incident than we know - again, a possible reference to the Combine.
13. Humans have stolen resources such as crystals from Xen. It could be as simple as that, but remember, there's also the Combine. The Combine has stolen some of Earth's resources (oceans for example). They would be doing the same to Xen.
14. He says this when you arrive at the Gonarch's lair. Gordon, however, does win. Was the Nihilanth wrong?

Thank you for taking the time to read. Discuss, now discuss, now...

 

[CLASSIFIED]

there are no nihilanth sounds in the .gfc's.

Why won't you check the Music gfc and listen to the Intro Song
HL2_intro.mp3

You don't need to hear this in high volume, just pay attention to the sound AND the other lines were taken from HL i just reminded them

and about "10. Definitely referring to the Combine, as Xen was under Combine control long before humans discovered it. This explains the Nihilanths biomechanical implants and the shackles he wears"

The Combine weren't exist back then, since if you played and finished HL2 you do understand that they got their name for a reason.. they'er half human, mixed up with an alien DNA. my guess is that Doctor Breen has something to do with it since they obey him.. and he obeys somekind of a warm creator (X-Race Maybe?) I guess that doctor breen created them. he doesn't work for the combines.. he makes them. another thing.. Elite Combines has a circles Mask, just like the Warm Creator. my guess is that the elite Combine has more parts of Alien DNA then Human because he has face of Alien... (1 Big Eye instad of 2 eyes) So I'm starting to belive that the combines are the army of Dr. Breen, Following is orders while Dr. Breen has bigger plans with Stronger Aliens.. somewhere.. out there

 

[sfc_hoot]

The Combine weren't exist back then, since if you played and finished HL2 you do understand that they got their name for a reason.. they'er half human, mixed up with an alien DNA. my guess is that Doctor Breen has something to do with it since they obey him.. and he obeys somekind of a warm creator (X-Race Maybe?) I guess that doctor breen created them. he doesn't work for the combines.. he makes them. another thing.. Elite Combines has a circles Mask, just like the Warm Creator. my guess is that the elite Combine has more parts of Alien DNA then Human because he has face of Alien... (1 Big Eye instad of 2 eyes) So I'm starting to belive that the combines are the army of Dr. Breen, Following is orders while Dr. Breen has bigger plans with Stronger Aliens.. somewhere.. out there

Actually, the Combine has existed back then. They've existed for a long time - long before they invaded Earth. They're intergalactic conquerors, and a very old race I beleive. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the Combine we see on Earth are the only types of "Combine" in existance. The Combine has amalgamated many different races into itself, and its empire spans accross the Universe. Earth is just one of the Combine's conquered planets & species. The Overwatch and Civil Protection units are simply the "Combine" that were created from the Humans. In HL2, you also see creatures from other races that the Combine has conquered, the synths for example, which include Striders, Gunships, Dropships, Mortar synths and so on... I definitely beleive that Xen was under Combine control at the time of the Black Mesa Incident, because of the Nihilanth's shackles, and because of what he says - and yes, CLASSIFIED, I have played and finished HL2.

 

[Asknoone]

and he obeys somekind of a warm creator (X-Race Maybe?)

Race X is no longer integral to the story, marc laidlaw confirmed this.

And yes, sfc_hoot is quite right, the combine are an alien race and have existed for a very loong time.

 

[EatChildren]

Ok, firstly, at the time of writing the Nihilanth's talking the Combine DIDNT exist. The story and concept for HL2 wasnt in development. So if the Nihilanth's talking has any relivence to anything its only been decided after HL was released.

Secondly, there is no talking by Mr Nihilanth during the opening filmclip, at least not in my opinion. I heard what could be interperated as "Free...Man", but its just fuzz and background effects, mostly because its repeated, and sounds absolutly nothing like the original Nihilanth.

 

[sfc_hoot]

Ok, firstly, at the time of writing the Nihilanth's talking the Combine DIDNT exist. The story and concept for HL2 wasnt in development. So if the Nihilanth's talking has any relivence to anything its only been decided after HL was released.

I think Valve had the entire story planned out, so technically, the Combine would've existed at the time of HL1 (but only on paper), and I think Valve already have the entire HL3 story planned out, now it's just a matter of transforming it into a game.

 

[SimonomiS]

Can anyone verify if Marc Laidlaw had penned out or even had thoughts of the entire Half Life storyline when writing Half Life 1? I mean the ending is quite open and leading onto a sequel, so Im sure Laidlaw had SOME idea of where it was headed.

Either way, now that HL2 is out, whatever it was originally intended to mean is irrelevant considering the new information.

 

[Ankster]

"7. “The last - you are the last - you are.”"
My first thought was that earth or the dimension we exist in was the last dimension/world that was no taken over by the combine yet, but then I realised that the combine is not fully technically perfect and fully evolved. If that was the case, Freeman would have no chance against them. And then isnt Xen a border world, isnt Xen the only place u can get crystals for interdimensional travel? So the Combine cant have taken over every world in every dimension yet coz they have only had controll over Xen a certain time, the Vortigaunts werent born slaves so.. Although I have no clue how old they can get..

12. “The truth - you can never know the truth.”
Guess we will never know who G-man is . Considering how Laidlaw has presented the story (very discreet) in the HL-games so far, he will probably leave it open for speculation who g-man is, or who the bidders are... Hope not though .

 

[Sid Burn]

Anyway, I cant still hear any voices coming from Nihilanth in teh beginning...

 

[CLASSIFIED]

Have you noticed that everyone's voice had changed since the first game? The g-man sounds different, Barney Sounds Different most of the time, Kleir Sounds Diffrenet. The Nihilanth Sounds Different and don't try to hear the nihilanth when you check if he really talks at the intro, just pay less attention and you'll hear something that sounds like him says "Free...man" and at some point you he stops saying that then you hear something like "alone... not you alone.." then the "Free...man" part comes back, i can't tell for sure it's the nihilanth but who could it possibly be if not him? hear the Audio File from HL1 where he says "alone...not you alone..." then hear the intro and in some point you can hear it

Try to make the Background Music louder than the G-man
or just play the file HL2_intro.mp3 from the music gcf file

I didn't come here to tell you to try hearing this
you need to be focused at every moment of the soundtrack and pay attention to "details", it doesn't come easy but it's there

I'm still woundering if anyone else noticed this

 

[CREMATOR666]

Well, I think the sound are the same....Is it different? Am I deaf?

 

[kirovman]

I just think it sounds like power from the teleport, or something. Doesn't sound too much like Nihilanth to me.
They probably had a rough idea of HL2 story before they finished HL1, maybe they didn't know they wanted to set it in city 17, or maybe they didn't even think the combine would have taken over the world.
But I think they had the concept of the combine.

Of course the story wasn't complete until the game had reached the final stage of development, but they had the idea a long time ago, I think. Someone should ask Marc Laidlaw.

 

[Doppelgofer]

Have you noticed that everyone's voice had changed since the first game? The g-man sounds different, Barney Sounds Different most of the time, Kleir Sounds Diffrenet. The Nihilanth Sounds Different and don't try to hear the nihilanth when you check if he really talks at the intro, just pay less attention and you'll hear something that sounds like him says "Free...man" and at some point you he stops saying that then you hear something like "alone... not you alone.." then the "Free...man" part comes back, i can't tell for sure it's the nihilanth but who could it possibly be if not him? hear the Audio File from HL1 where he says "alone...not you alone..." then hear the intro and in some point you can hear it

Try to make the Background Music louder than the G-man
or just play the file HL2_intro.mp3 from the music gcf file

I didn't come here to tell you to try hearing this
you need to be focused at every moment of the soundtrack and pay attention to "details", it doesn't come easy but it's there

I'm still woundering if anyone else noticed this

i don't think the voices sound different at all....they are just muuuuuuch higher quality in half-life 2

 

[MAx]

Well, I listened to the HL2_intro.mp3, and I'm almost 100% sure I heard nothing of the sort. Atleast tell me when (in the song) you hear it.


Edit: If you mean the background noice looping all of the time, you CAN hear "free man" if you feel like it, but it's just "noice", nothing that's actually said by anyone.

In the same way you can find any song, make up your mind of what they are saying, and then "clearly" hear they say what you think they say. Even though they say something QUITE different.

 

[kirovman]

i don't think the voices sound different at all....they are just muuuuuuch higher quality in half-life 2

Yes, well they have the same voice actors for Barney, G-man, Kleiner in both games, so why would they sound different?

 

[Dr. Freeman]

Yes, well they have the same voice actors for Barney, G-man, Kleiner in both games, so why would they sound different?

Classifield was the one claiming the voices sound different...and i don't agree, its just that the sounds of HL2 are of much higher quality like u just pointed out.

 

[Shadow][]

i think i hear it too, if u got the soundtrack listen to 28, i can hear nihilanth, but his voice sounds more higher and creepier as he says "freeeeee.....maaaaan....*something else* about :55 seconds into the song

its after the teleport noises each time

 

[moggy]

i think i hear it too, if u got the soundtrack listen to 28, i can hear nihilanth, but his voice sounds more higher and creepier as he says "freeeeee.....maaaaan....*something else* about :55 seconds into the song

its after the teleport noises each time

i dont think so

 

[kirovman]

i think i hear it too, if u got the soundtrack listen to 28, i can hear nihilanth, but his voice sounds more higher and creepier as he says "freeeeee.....maaaaan....*something else* about :55 seconds into the song

its after the teleport noises each time

Is 28 the intro music? Shadows Fore and Aft?

 

[<RJMC>]

I think I heard anothers voices

cuz I allways noticed that I heard a voice diferent but cant be sure is its a voice or just sounds

 

[donald]

try to take the 3 sentens and read it backwards "man not is he, man are you" maybe it is talking about g-man!

 

[<RJMC>]

I remenber I hav that video of the e3 that shows the begining

and I listen to it and I think is true,I can hear some noises that are very similiar to the nihiliants voice

 

[CLASSIFIED]

Classifield was the one claiming the voices sound different...and i don't agree, its just that the sounds of HL2 are of much higher quality like u just pointed out.

That's why they'er different =/

and about something else

You won't hear the nihilanth clear, you hear voices that sounds like him in a way, the nihilanth wasn't human, how can you expect to hear a clear voice? It's like the sounds are speaking to you and saying what the nihilanth told us. at the HL2_Intro.mp3
you can hear something that sounds like "...Not you alone... not you alone..." at 21 seconds of the song you hear "alon.." twice then "not you alone..." twice then "free..man"

 

[Asknoone]

I have listened for quite a few times now, and there is certainly not any form of nihalnith speeh...unless my hearing is poor.

 

[mooma]

my thoughts

“Comes another”, Nihilanth were combine-boss in Xen, so would he mean Breen as earth's coming combine-boss. Breen was contacted to combine before that test what started teleportations to earth.

“Deceive you - will deceive you.”, could be Breen, or combine forces. who first protected humans and then started to eliminate them... or then G-man

“Die - you all die - you all die.”, human race?

but I don't understand why Nihilanth warns Gordon about those things...

 

[sfc_hoot]

In the HL2 opening sequence, the only thing that comes close is the buzzing from the Test Chamber flashback. Sorry, no Nihilanth.

 

[Asknoone]

could be Breen, or combine forces.

Why would Breen or the combine decieve you? They are the enemy, and are against you already. Its most likley the gman.

human race?

More than likley, either that or anybody who stands up against the combine, which gordon is dong fighting back waves and waves of xen troops.

but I don't understand why Nihilanth warns Gordon about those things...

Because Nihalnith, like breen is a dummy for the combine, or so we think, andisnt particulalry pleased that the combine have enslaved his race..he is in shackles afterall.

 

[sfc_hoot]

It almost seems as if the Nihilanth could see his own demise coming - now why didn't he do anything about it? Perhaps he wanted to be destroyed, so that his race would once again be free (since Xen is a hierarchy)

Nihilanth
|
Xen Masters
|
Vortigaunts

 

[Asknoone]

Originally posted by sfc_hoot
It almost seems as if the Nihilanth could see his own demise coming - now why didn't he do anything about it? Perhaps he wanted to be destroyed, so that his race would once again be free (since Xen is a hierarchy)

I was thinking that, but according to the vortigaunts it would appear he was more of a dictator of sorts, i remember them sayign somethign about when gordon killed him, it cut all thier ties with him and they bear witness to his demise...

 

[Walter]

Actually, the Combine has existed back then. They've existed for a long time - long before they invaded Earth. They're intergalactic conquerors, and a very old race I beleive. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the Combine we see on Earth are the only types of "Combine" in existance. The Combine has amalgamated many different races into itself, and its empire spans accross the Universe. Earth is just one of the Combine's conquered planets & species. The Overwatch and Civil Protection units are simply the "Combine" that were created from the Humans. In HL2, you also see creatures from other races that the Combine has conquered, the synths for example, which include Striders, Gunships, Dropships, Mortar synths and so on... I definitely beleive that Xen was under Combine control at the time of the Black Mesa Incident, because of the Nihilanth's shackles, and because of what he says - and yes, CLASSIFIED, I have played and finished HL2.

The Synths is another name for combine ...

 

[Asknoone]

The Synths is another name for combine ...

No, its not...in raising the bar it quite clearly states that the synths are a race of self replicating robots that thecombine conquered during thier wars and conquests and forced thier technology on them.