Nirvana and Metallica, how have they influenced youth culture?

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Just like some help from you guys.

I'm doing a media course for A level and i have to do 2 essays on critical research.

I need to find out your opinions on 'How has Nirvana and Metallica changed youth culture, eg behaviour, fashion, drug alcohol abuse, ect"...you get the drift

This would really help me out and is a very good way of carrying out primary research.

What ever you guys can come up with would help me immensly.
 
They created a generation of retards with bad music.
 
Could you be more specific? Why do you say that
 
well you cant really say how metallica and nirvana affected kids since they were metal and grundge and different groups of kids are influenced in different ways i think metallics really had a good imige going they were very commited to their music and didnt really mess around with media and but nirvana made kids commit suicide after "grunge shot its self in the face" it is not just these two bands that affect youth its the way its all over in every song of every band that does it
 
Gui! said:
Could you be more specific? Why do you say that
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Nirvana made being angsty popular and mainstream-accepted. As for Metallica... wait, forget it. Metallica are completely forgettable so you should just drop them.

BTW I'm just being a dick so don't take what I say seriously, although I don't care for either of them.
 
ah that may be so but the question i have to ask is how these 2 specific bands have influenced youth culture, not just kids, teenagers, young adults aswell
 
Metallica was a great band but didn't really influence much in terms of culture.

Nirvana on the other hand was a crappy band that influenced too much, unfortunately, they paved the way for Emo's.

There, I've wrote your conclusion for you.
 
They weren't anything special, especially Metallica. At least Nirvana was entertaining to listen to. Metallica just plain ol' sucked.

What have they influenced? Nirvana probably influenced the more angsty music you hear now (though most of it sucks). Metallica influenced retards to make quasi pseudo metal bands. And made kids who listened to them think they were "metal."
 
Here is how it came, Nirvana and Metallica each influenced their own bad music, Metallica started the fad of having bad lyrics mixed with bland guitar riffs and the occaisional power ballad such as a majority of the "rock" scene today, if that is what you call it.

Nirvana however was the start of the grunge scene in the 90's, which gave us a lot of great bands such as Alice in Chains and STP, but also a lot of Pearl Jam sounding, anti-culture asshats.

What do they have in common? Both overrated
 
All those spandex wearing late-80's glam bands got pwned by Nirvana. Their fame helped other bands from Seattle, since they were so popular - Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains.

Nirvana had something to say, unlike most bands today who just complain about generic things. I guess they also started a trend of thrift store clothing, with ripped jeans, a flannel shirt, t-shirt and long hair.

There have been hundreds of Nirvana rip-offs, like Silverchair and Puddle of Mudd.
 
Nirvana is overrated,"oh Im gonna shoot myself huhu"

Metallica is good music but they really didnt influence me
 
StardogChampion said:
I guess they also started a trend of thrift store clothing, with ripped jeans, a flannel shirt, t-shirt and long hair.
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For a start Nirvana didn't start that look, secondly ripped jeans was the most retarded fad of the 90's.
 
Im not talking just about influencing in a good way, eg how did the napster issue effect metallicas followers?

How did it effect fans when cobain shot himself? Your arugments of 'crappy bands, they didnt influence anyone' dont hold a strong argument.

Think more into it, the is alot of different issues that could be talked about. How did cobains excessive drug abuse influence people? Metallicas over drinking at gigs, ect

You can come up with more ideas, im sure. Even if you dont like the bands im sure you can come up with some more.
 
I loved Metallica in the beginning(Master of Puppets is still one of the best metal albums of all time), up until And Justice for All--then they started down the slippery slope with MTV fame(not Headbangers Ball) and cutting their hair and piercing their nipples and videos that look like REM's Losing My Religion, which in a sense they did since their religion was thrash and they have since left that way behind.

Metallica was only influential insofar as they were one of the best known metal acts of the day--there were much more talented musicians/songwriters out there at the time, but Metallica had the exposure and other bands like Forbidden, Exodus, Vio-Lence, Testament, Death Angel, Hirax, Sadus, Possessed, Laaz Rockit, Heathen and many many more simply didn't.

Gui! said:
eg how did the napster issue effect metallicas followers?
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The whole Napster thing pissed me off entirely because here are these guys who were right in the middle of arguably the best thrash scene ever(the SF Bay area in the 80s)--a scene that thrived on underground tape trading that helped popularize many smaller bands that didn't have huge contracts and spread the metal message around--and they are saying that the same sort of sharing within the community and without is illegal and we want our money back, etc etc??? Absolutely absurd that they would desert the people that breathed life into their scene. A shameful display.

Gui! said:
How did cobains excessive drug abuse influence people? Metallicas over drinking at gigs, etc
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I don't know that any of this had a huge effect on people. Did Janis Joplin's drinking/drug use have a huge effect on people those days(apart from the whole cause of death thing)? No--everyone used drugs back then! :)

It is no big surprise that rock bands, for the most part, do drugs and drink heavily--thats what rock bands do. Maybe Nirvana helped increase the popularity of Lithium, but that's probably about it.
 
No more opinions?, kinda shouting out for them
 
It can be argued that their rather angst-filled unhappy style of music has forced additional cases of depression on the impressionable youth, giving rise to such fads as "Gothicism" and the like.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
It can be argued that their rather angst-filled unhappy style of music has forced additional cases of depression on the impressionable youth, giving rise to such fads as "Gothicism" and the like.

-Angry Lawyer
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Actually, Goth was around LONG before either of these bands. It can be argued that 'Gothicism,' as you say, has been around since the 1st Century AD. :E

Seriously though, bands like Burning Image, The Cure, Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, the Sisters of Mercy, Dead Can Dance, Joy Division and others like them were much more influential in terms of the 'Goth' look/scene. Grunge kids wore flannels and ripped jeans and Dr. Martin boots. Goths walked around shrouded from head to foot in the habiliments of the grave, complete with death-like make-up and such.
 
Hey, I was giving him something he could write about, not stating fact :p

-Angry Lawyer
 
Thankyou angry lawyer, any opinion counts, no matter what the opinion is. Its all valuble research
 
Well, i must say Metallica influenced me to get into less well know Metal bands e.g. Mastodon.

So maybe one of their things has been to introduce people to a more main stream version of Grunge and Metal allowing people to further explore these musical genres.
 
I have to agree with Victim of Silence, while I don't like the majority of metal albums, i can always to turn to MotP.

I love both Nevermind and MTV unplugged in Newyork, and im suprised that some of you are so biased that you'll totally disregard 3 of the greatest albums of all time because of their music catagory.
 
Evo said:
Well, i must say Metallica influenced me to get into less well know Metal bands e.g. Mastodon.
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Yeah, the drums on Remission are fuggin insane! That is a great, great album. :cheers:
 
I'm sure both bands influenced/inspired many kids to learn to make music themselves...
 
Any thoughts on how they inspired grunge? Ive been doing some research into Nirvana and an interesting point that came up was that Nirvanas break through inspired many people to enjoy that genre of music more. I came across an article that said that they influenced other bands record sales to increase.
 
Not only grunge but alternative music in general, Nirvana paved the way for bands like bands like the smashing pumpkins, pearl jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica( Black album), Beck, Nine Inche Nails,Greenday, The offspring etc. It's no coincedence that after the grunge album Nevermind broke out into the mainstream an epidemic of new age punk, rock, funk and alternative bands followed.
 
brink's said:
Not only grunge but alternative music in general, Nirvana paved the way for bands like bands like the smashing pumpkins, pearl jam, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Metallica( Black album), Beck, Nine Inche Nails,Greenday, The offspring etc. It's no coincedence that after the grunge album Nevermind broke out into the mainstream an epidemic of new age punk, rock, funk and alternative bands followed.
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Sorry, but how did Nevermind pave the way for the Black Album? The Black Album was a totally different type of music to Nevermind, they both made things possible for different types of bands/music.

Metallica's Black Album led the way for Metal bands to make it onto the big stage, like Slayer and Anthrax, it allowed people to look deeper into the Metal scene. Metallca also influenced many Nu-Metal (Korn for one)and new Metal bands (Trivium)

Nevermind didn't pave the way for Greenday or Offspring as their albums were released in 1994 and Nevermind in 1991. Greenday and The Offspring are seen by many for ending the grunge/Seattle scene that was spreading accross America.

Not sure about the other bands you mentioned but imho Nevermined did not pave the way for Metallica, Greenday or The Offspring
 
I was like baby when that bands where famous,but today this time I like theyr music but I havent feel a influence, another thing is that is me or the clasical rock style (since metal to rock like korn and stuff like that) is disapearing?

cuz seriously now all I see is things like simple plan and good charlote that are not the same style imo,and when I see a old videoclip of a clasic badn like korn or some metal I see that they are diferent from the thing today,and the true is that I am not happy whit that,is like that time is going to be forgoten or old fashion
 
Not so much musically with these bands, I'm saying that Nevermind opened people's mind to new music that before them was considered "underground" like metal, punk(and alternative, its a big category) and broke otherwise unknown music into the mainstream. It's hard to believe that the Black Album would've had the success it did if Nevermind didn't soon follow. Same with the offspring and greenday, would anyone have even paid attention if Nirvana hadn't placed punk into mainstream, not likely.
 
Sorry, but how did Nevermind pave the way for the Black Album? The Black Album was a totally different type of music to Nevermind, they both made things possible for different types of bands/music.
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Metallica were already ridiculously popular with And Justice For All anyway. It was inevitable they'd explode the way they did with The Black Album (which came out before Nevermind).
 
<RJMC> said:
I was like baby when that bands where famous,but today this time I like theyr music but I havent feel a influence, another thing is that is me or the clasical rock style (since metal to rock like korn and stuff like that) is disapearing?

cuz seriously now all I see is things like simple plan and good charlote that are not the same style imo,and when I see a old videoclip of a clasic badn like korn or some metal I see that they are diferent from the thing today,and the true is that I am not happy whit that,is like that time is going to be forgoten or old fashion
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I certainly hope not, I see the early 90's as one of the best era's in music history, nothing before then to the breakup of Floyd and Zeppelin really appeal to me outside of Master of the Puppets.

But still there are some really good bands lingering around today, the biggest being the red hot chili peppers, but don't look past stuff from modest mouse, the strokes( love em or hate em:D) The weakerthans, Death from above 1979 etc. ( though those might not appeal to ur metal tastes)
 
I never really listened to grunge until I joined a grunge band, and started playing Nirvana songs.

Yay for buying clothes at the thrift store!
 
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