North Korean Forced Abortions

thats some sick shit
I wonder why I dont here about that on TV
 
Bodacious said:
For one, how many UN resolutions over the course of a decade has Congo or North Korea violated?

I know why, why don't you?
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hmmm, i dont know, cant think of any

Don't be blinded by the Right.
 
These bad things have been known, they have been ignored (Just like the problems in the Congo) for the lesser threat of Iraq. Sorry but North Korea doesn't have oil, and unfortuantly for the victims of genocide in Congo, they don't have oil either. We have to ignore real problems (the non-existant WMDs in Iraq were more important than the real ones in North Korea. The lesser trials and suffering of the Iraqi's is more important than the mass genocide beginning (AGAIN) in the Congo.) because they don't have as good benefits for the U.S. Wave the flag for liberty all you want, in the end, greed fuels our imperialism.
 
shadow6899 said:
ummm i think u got the wrong impression... if u were responding to my post... i agree w/ u, but their were bad things happening in iraq too, and they weren't really bein main in the media till right before we wanted to invade. where then the media drilled the idea of wmd's in our head, we were fooled. I hope people learn from their mistakes this time... media is the fuel for what bush wants to do.
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This is the Korean media not the US. The things of Iraqi human rights violations were known LONG before the months leading up to the war, that was household common knowledge since the first Gulf War.
 
shadow6899 said:
actually that was the uk paper, and im not doubting that will make it's way to the u.s. papers too, it's not like we dont get news from other news sources...
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Uh, it's The Korean Herald, hosted at a Korean domain.

Everything regarding these issues should make it to papers in every nation.
 
well i just think that there are worse places in the world, filled with worse human suffering that should take prescedence over Iraq, who didnt have it that bad in comparison to North Korea, the Congo, Rwanda (hell most of Africa)
 
kmack said:
well i just think that there are worse places in the world, filled with worse human suffering that should take prescedence over Iraq, who didnt have it that bad in comparison to North Korea, the Congo, Rwanda (hell most of Africa)
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Yeah (although in no way would I say "they didn't have it as bad as this group)- with my last post I was trying to say that all of these things should be in papers in every nation. If enough attention is brought to these issues, they can be stopped by those who are willing to defend the innocent. The UN can't be depended on to stop every crisis that arises and doesn't get huge attention (Rwanda being a huge example)
 
I would say every abortion is forced, if not on the parent then on the child that is killed in the process.
 
I saw in a bbc documentary, that when a baby is born that the officers step on the baby before the mother untill they crush it, and that one guard killed a mother he got pregnant by cutting her stomach and letting her and the baby bleed, plus you have one of the heads of a camp living in South Korea, who said what he did, he sais he killed everyday peopel just out of bordem, he just realized they were humans once he put a whole afamily in achamer which the yfilled with gas, and the father and the mother tried saving their breath and giving it to their children so they don't die, but anyway this is nothing new.

But I'm surprized you want these kinds of things in the newspaper all over teh world, since you and teh other rightwing nutcases here seemed to not like it when the abu ghraib pictures got out, so why do these need to be in all the papers in the world and not those.
 
I've been called a "right wing nutcase" before and I think abu ghraib should be on the front page all newspapers, and it was as far as I could make out, it certainly got a LOT more attention than north korea has for the last 50 years or so.

It is horrifying, but still I don't think America is gonna go in any time soon, and I don't think she should. There are signs that the goverment is not as stable as it tries to make out and N.Korea is armed to the teeth, it would mean a very nasty war, not a walkover like Iraq. Though they probably wouldn't have to deal with the insurgents like they have to in Iraq.
 
Yeah, kim yung ill had even secretly under an allias almost got a visa to the US, but your wrong baout their military might, there big advantage is that their country is not on a big flat dessert like Irak, but there is a lot of jungle, where technology does not help you that much.

PS and I was talking about deathtrap, he liek the many other here did not like teh abu ghraib beeing published so much nor did he try to bring that under attantion.
 
Da Funkey Gibbon said:
I've been called a "right wing nutcase" before and I think abu ghraib should be on the front page all newspapers, and it was as far as I could make out, it certainly got a LOT more attention than north korea has for the last 50 years or so.

It is horrifying, but still I don't think America is gonna go in any time soon, and I don't think she should. There are signs that the goverment is not as stable as it tries to make out and N.Korea is armed to the teeth, it would mean a very nasty war, not a walkover like Iraq. Though they probably wouldn't have to deal with the insurgents like they have to in Iraq.
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The picture that I get, is that the propoganda is so effective that the West is seen as an enemy even by the people. So I wouldn't be surprised if they fought back instead of being happy.

infanticide
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Sounds very morbid, killing babies like killing bugs with insecticide.
 
But I'm surprized you want these kinds of things in the newspaper all over teh world, since you and teh other rightwing nutcases here seemed to not like it when the abu ghraib pictures got out, so why do these need to be in all the papers in the world and not those.
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Excuse me? I was the only Partisan asshole in my family that was against the scandals at Abu Gharib -- so please, dont generalize because you feel all of us righties supported what happened at Abu Gharib.

Now that I've said that, I'm also going to state that this kind of murder should not be tolerated.
 
And finally, OMG if you poeple did not know this or did not expect this until now, then it just shows how much US poeple know about the rest of the world. I guess next year I can expect you to find out what is going on now in Darfur, once your leaders decide to tell you.

+the title is misleading, these are not forced abortions. Thease babies have allready been born then killed, abortion is when the mother decides to kill of a fetus that has net yet fully developed and is not yet concious.
 
Grey Fox said:
And finally, OMG if you poeple did not know this or did not expect this until now, then it just shows how much US poeple know about the rest of the world. I guess next year I can expect you to find out what is going on now in Darfur, once your leaders decide to tell you.
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Speak real English please.
 
sorry but i have a hard time believing this is the norm in north korea ...I mean how many pregnant women are arrested on a regular basis ...seems like an iolated case to me ...no worse then what's been going on in china or turkey for decades
 
Grey Fox said:
How mature.
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Sorry, I wasn't trying to flame you or anything, I just couldn't understand what you were trying to get at.
 
CptStern said:
sorry but i have a hard time believing this is the norm in north korea ...I mean how many pregnant women are arrested on a regular basis ...seems like an iolated case to me ...no worse then what's been going on in china or turkey for decades
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Jesus freaking christ now eevn you, of all the people here you are supposed to know that it is. Dude they have a law there that says that when someoen did a crime, he and the next three generations, meaning his son and grandson are also punished for it, and that when someone commits a crime, everyone in the street is punished, although for them I think the three generations rule does not apply, exept if their son or grandson live in teh same street, and seeing how pore Nk is, that is probably the case, furtehrmore, even when the government is not killing people the corrupt military is, some official has only to not like you and he can do anything he wants.

By Mortiz:
Sorry, I wasn't trying to flame you or anything, I just couldn't understand what you were trying to get at.
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Well it wasn't that much of a serious post, it was more to get some pressure of my back, by beeing a real asshole against the thread starter and most posters here.
But I truly do wonder how no one knew of this before, I mean a lot of people say Nk is worse then Iraq under saddam but if you did not know this, then why do you think this, I mean what the hell. I have watched a lot of documentaries about this.
 
Grey Fox said:
Jesus freaking christ now eevn you, of all the people here you are supposed to know that it is. Dude they have a law there that says that when someoen did a crime, he and the next three generations, meaning his son and grandson are also punished for it, and that when someone commits a crime, everyone in the street is punished, although for them I think the three generations rule does not apply, exept if their son or grandson live in teh same street, and seeing how pore Nk is, that is probably the case, furtehrmore, even when the government is not killing people the corrupt military is, some official has only to not like you and he can do anything he wants.
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I know this sort of thing happens, I never claimed that she was'nt telling the truth I just dont think it could be systematic. There would be an uproar in the global community ..something like this galvanizes people all over the world because it is truely a horrible and barbaric act ..I just cant see someone getting away with this for very long cuz NK is more than capable of human rights abuses, the evidence is far too overwhelming to say otherwise. I dont fully discount the possibility I just dont believe it's all that commonplace ...but then again I could be wrong and it happens every day :)
 
Well I think your wrong, and it does take systematicly place IMO.
But I know for sure your wrong when you say this
There would be an uproar in the global community ..something like this galvanizes people all over the world because it is truely a horrible and barbaric act ..
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now common you don't really believe that, you just wish it to be so... right.
 
what do you mean? if people get outraged at some kid who was left out in the snow without shoes how do you think forced abortion would go over? the religious groups alone would be up in arms. the world is no stranger to forced abortions, they havent forgotten Joseph mengele
 
My view:
So North Korea is most dangerous and most evil regime in modern world.
 
CptStern said:
what do you mean? if people get outraged at some kid who was left out in the snow without shoes how do you think forced abortion would go over? the religious groups alone would be up in arms. the world is no stranger to forced abortions, they havent forgotten Joseph mengele
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People are mostly concerned with themselfes, when something like this happens far far away they turn a blind eye, especially the religous people have no problem closing an eye to the suffering of others. If this was on the news all day long nobody would be for taking concrete measures, hell it has been a lot of times on documentaries and on the news, same thing is happening in darfur, babies are beeing trown in a fire and women raped and killed, people keep a blind eye to it, cause it is convenient. You should know that by now.
 
why are you gettins so pissed off? it's not like I'm condoning it ..it's not like I havent said it isnt possible, just not all that probable on a mass scale...like I said, I COULD be wrong
 
I'm not pissed, but I just don't understand why you think it can't be on a mass scale, look at what hitler did, ww2 was not started because of hitler killing jewish peopel, did we do anything when stalin killed even more, when mao killed even more, the khamear rouge, all those things, even on massive scale, do you really think anyone would care enough to be willing to support military operations against NK.

PS. check you pm.
 
Grey Fox said:
I'm not pissed, but I just don't understand why you think it can't be on a mass scale, look at what hitler did, ww2 was not started because of hitler killing jewish peopel, did we do anything when stalin killed even more, when mao killed even more, the khamear rouge, all those things, even on massive scale, do you really think anyone would care enough to be willing to support military operations against NK.

PS. check you pm.
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yes but look at the uproar that the holocaust caused? like I said I dont discount that it's possible, it's not like i'm defending NK
 
It certainly did cause an uproar but not enough to do something about it, prove are the other countries where the same and worse happend. And I know you are not defending NK, but I just disagreed with teh reson you think the yare not doing this on a massive scale.
 
Polaris said:
My view:
So North Korea is most dangerous and most evil regime in modern world.
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Grey Fox said:
Well I think your wrong, and it does take systematicly place IMO.
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Hmm.. at least back up your arguments with evidence/some kind of reason, other wise theres no point in posting.
 
bliink said:
Hmm.. at least back up your arguments with evidence/some kind of reason, other wise theres no point in posting.
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Was quite commonplace in China and does take place still there but not at the level it did before. Similar governments, communist, similar cultures.
 
hey I'm the first one to admit when I'm wrong ..if there's corroborating evidence that backs up that this does indeed happen on a massive scale then I'll retract my statement
 
I dont think anybody really knows the truth, nothing ever comes out of the country because it is run with an iron fist by a complete psycho. The outrageous propoganda that their media runs is quite humorous to me, but it is scary in the context that it is the only news source NKoreans can watch or listen to. Some of you think FoxNews and Al Jazeera is bad...
Has everyone seen the picture of NK at night when compared to the surrounding countries?
 
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