Now for legal action against Bush, Rumsfeld etc

How about Cheney. Cheney was more in on it than Bush.
 
Thats exactly what i was gonna say. I really wanted his handler to push him down those stairs at the inauguration.
 
nothing is going to happen, it's pretty obvious. Although I do agree they should be prosecuted.
 
They will be just as effective as when they tried to stop the US from going to war
 
Raziaar said:
How about Cheney. Cheney was more in on it than Bush.
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Gawd, every molecule and even lepton in my body wants to see justice done. Maybe just a few, like Alberto Gonzalez. Especially to that psychopath Cheeeeeeeney (No one really pronounced it correctly, so I add a little emphasis). I explicitly Trust Obama to do the right thing for our country.

Bush will be pardoned, that is guaranteed. Obama won't want to waste resources on most of the rest. Otherwise, it would set a precedent, and all future presidents would be prosecuted because let's face it: they all commit crimes, and every turnover in the Congress would then obsess over it.

But what is best for the nation, as always, is to move forward. Get past this horrid mess he left us in. He was a halfwit and a ****twat. What more needs to be said? We can't WaterBoard him because THAT IS ****ING IMMORAL.

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Let those 22% of Americans who still favor him admire all his mediocrity. But he better STGDFU for at least eight years.
 
I'd say right now concentrate on sorting out the economy, getting the troops out Iraq, turning the tables in Afghanistan and take Israel to the vets for some much needed castration, after that then I'd worry about bring to account a couple of old guys who at the end of the day will still die free men regardless. Yes it should be done, but as far as priorities go, it's not a major concern or should it be undertaken when albeit Obama is in office, a degree of co-operation needs to be sought from the republicans to get legislation pushed through.
 
there should have been an inquiry/trial in 2003 however since that didnt happen there's no better time than the present. We wouldnt want it to look like some people are above the law, it might send out the wrong impression. I say crucify the bastard and if you wont do it at least give the rest of us the opportunity. what we need is a good ole fashioned hague crimes against humanity trial/witch burning. Or better still hand him over to the iraqi people, they're good at holding leaders accountable for their past deeds. justice may come at the end of a noose as their methods are crude to say the least but ..meh I wont lose sleep over it
 
Yeah, like they'll ever inquire into this. I have no delusions about the UN.
 
Bush refused to join the International Criminal Court (cuz he might be dragged to court at some future time. see? bush isnt that stupid). Obama says the US should join. so hopefully they can crucify bush as their first contribution after joining the ICC
 
Yes but right now it's not going to put food on the plate for anyone but a bunch of lawyers so hardly a pressing priority.
 
Kadayi said:
I'd say right now concentrate on sorting out the economy, getting the troops out Iraq, turning the tables in Afghanistan and take Israel to the vets for some much needed castration, after that then I'd worry about bring to account a couple of old guys who at the end of the day will still die free men regardless. Yes it should be done, but as far as priorities go, it's not a major concern or should it be undertaken when albeit Obama is in office, a degree of co-operation needs to be sought from the republicans to get legislation pushed through.
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This.

Kadayi you cad, stop making me agree with you.
 
I dont see how Obama would have anything to do with this, his days as an attorney are long behind him. how much of his time could this take? appoint a few heads of committes, get briefed every now and then on their progress and maybe sign something into law? are the economists also the people in charge of bringing bush to justice? if it's a money issue how about allocating some of the war chest meant for [strike]bush/cheney[/strike] iraq to persecuting Bush. it's only fitting that some of those resources be used for good instead of evil for a change
 
Maybe an intelligence agency will have the balls to at least abduct Rumsfeld if anything and place him before the Hague court, oooooooooooooo that'd be sweet, **** American fluster and buster, it'd be worth it to see that little troll burn under the burning light of world critique and the eye of justice.
 
the US would never send one of their own to the hague to stand trial for war crimes. Not someone from their own elected government
 
We all know it should happen. We all know it won't happen.
 
Well maybe if those people never became prisoners, they would never have been treated that way.
Serves them right.
 
swan_song1973 said:
now that hes out for good, i could care less about him honestly.
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I think that is a bad position to take. If we send a message that you can get away with anything, so long as you make it until the end of your term, than things like this can continue to happen.
 
Raziaar said:
That's a bad mentality to have.
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Heh, come to think of it, If Kim Jong Il was ousted and was begging in the streets of Seoul, I'd be like "Huh, tough shit, poor man. Have a dollar." :p

Seriously, I don't care if they do legal action against Bush or not, because its going to take a few decades to get it all settled. Not to mention that I like Bush a bit.
 
Acepilotf14 said:
Well maybe if those people never became prisoners, they would never have been treated that way.
Serves them right.
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2 people out of the 700+ prisoners who have been through gitmo have been to trial, in both cases charges were stayed ...just 2. If they "deserve" to be there why havent the overwhelming majority of prisoners been charged with a crime? If they havent been charged with anything it's more than likely the US doesnt have enough concrete evidence prosecute them meaning for the most part they're probably innocent of whatever crime the US initially arrested them for. In other words the US is torturing and abusing people who may be, for the most part, innocent ..are you really ok with this?
 
nothings going to happen to bush he'll be pardoned prolly, and he was a complete warmonger but the world at the time needed one
 
Kase said:
nothings going to happen to bush he'll be pardoned prolly,
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he needs to be charged, tried and convicted before he can get pardoned

Kase said:
and he was a complete warmonger but the world at the time needed one
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the world needed someone to invade iraq on false pretenses? please explain why
 
well he invaded iraq on the fear of Weapons of Mas destruction and also the fact Sadam Hussain was a Evil Dictator that was happy enought to kill his own people didnt help to subdue those fears i know they never recoverd any of those weapons
but they could of easly been moved or never existed for all i care

At the end of the day i see Bush as a warmongering moron but no one else was going to go **** those guys up so he did it all i can say is GJ Bush


;) *thumbsup*
 
Kase said:
well he invaded iraq on the fear of Weapons of Mas destruction and also the fact Sadam Hussain was a Evil Dictator that was happy enought to kill his own people didnt help to subdue those fears i know they never recoverd any of those weapons
but they could of easly been moved or never existed for all i care

At the end of the day i see Bush as a warmongering moron but no one else was going to go **** those guys up so he did it all i can say is GJ Bush
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What a world we've come to where making things worse constitutes a "good job".
 
Kase said:
well he invaded iraq on the fear of Weapons of Mas destruction
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no he did not. he might have pushed this lie onto the american people but he personally did not believe this, no one in his administration believed this.


Kase said:
and also the fact Sadam Hussain was a Evil Dictator that was happy enought to kill his own people didnt help to subdue those fears i know they never recoverd any of those weapons
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the US made Saddam what he was. he was an ally and friend when he was committing his worst atrocities. it didnt seem to phase the US then so that justification goes right out the door. there was/is no legitimate justification for the invasion of iraq

Kase said:
but they could of easly been moved or never existed for all i care

At the end of the day i see Bush as a warmongering moron but no one else was going to go **** those guys up so he did it all i can say is GJ Bush


;) *thumbsup*
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"those guys"? ..who are those "guys"? saddam? al qaeda? there was no threat from al qaeda from iraq prior to the invasion of iraq


really from what you're saying it sounds like you've been in suspended animation since march 2003 ..or at least havent been following current events since then, what gives?
 
thats in your opinon things would prolly be alot worse now if we didnt attack iraq and afganistan
 
Kase said:
thats in your opinon things would prolly be alot worse now if we didnt attack iraq and afganistan
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Afghanistan hurt Al Qaeda (shutting down his base of operations), but Iraq only strengthened Al Qaeda (legitmized his claim that the US controls the governments in the Middle East).
 
The US attacked Saddam in Iraq because he was going to convert to the Euro from US dollars. Iraq was a free nation as much as Iran is now but now look what has happened. Pakistan can barely function now and terrorists are in the midst of 50 nuclear weapons. And our army is stretched so damn thin even Rome would laugh. Also Al Qaeda is much stronger than it used to be. We really opened Pandora's box. Now we ask Russia for help with shipments through to Afghanistan...and Israel has unjustly attacked Gaza. WW3 is approaching and the US dollar will fail very very soon. I just read an article that the Post Office will cut mail by one day soon. Even change can't stop this Avalanche
 
It's true, the US has lost economic allies. It's true that peak oil may have happened about 2 years ago. The US has never been in such deep debt with itself and foreign lenders because of unregulated financing and an expensive war. Never since World War II has a peaceful nation invaded another, until the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. However, foreign states are hesitant to break ties with the US permanently (this is true about China, Singapore, and even Middle Eastern states like Saudi Arabia) because the United States government has proven to be extremely resilient. I am confident it will pick itself back up again, in the future, after it corrects its economic mistakes.

There is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity, and those involved should be tried for them. However, it won't happen. History books will only record that "Bush faced unpopular criticism..." and "alleged to have committed crimes violating international treaties".
 
Warped said:
The US attacked Saddam in Iraq because he was going to convert to the Euro from US dollars. Iraq was a free nation as much as Iran is now but now look what has happened.
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Iraq was a free nation?

Christopher Hitchens once spoke about a few things he listen's out for when people speak about Iraq to see if they know what they're talking about. One give away that they don't is when people say "Of course Saddam was a bad guy...". But that doesn't cut it. Think about what fascism is actually like. Imagine being forced to applaud at gunpoint the executions of your family members and friends. The humiliation of being forced to vote for Saddam. An entire people living enslaved under an absolute tyrant. Read the accounts of the Genocide against the Kurds. Hear the few who survived the chemical attacks on their villages talk of the chemical burns that still burn cause them agony to this this day.

Iraq was a state where owning a satellite dish was enough to have you tortured and killed.

It's disgusting and insulting to all the victims of the Saddam regime to say they lived in a 'free nation'. Think about what you're saying, for shame.
 
Kase said:
thats in your opinon
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no, it's not my opinion. it's well documented fact.


Kase said:
things would prolly be alot worse now if we didnt attack iraq and afganistan
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this isnt even opinion; it's pure speculation based on zero evidence . you dont even quantify your statement in any way. worse for whom? the US? the iraqi people? the war on terror?


Pesmerga said:
However, it won't happen. History books will only record that "Bush faced unpopular criticism..." and "alleged to have committed crimes violating international treaties".
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agreed however that doesnt mean we shouldnt try
 
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