Now this is something that might actually work!

Quite an interesting read. I really didn't understand all of it, due to the massive amounts of mumbo jumbo, but I did get the gist.
 
aluminum takes tons of electricity to make, so it makes sense that you can use it to produce electricity to.
 
sounds promising...

kind of confused as to the amounts of aluminum/gallium per mile, since they talked alot about recycling the mix.
 
Ahahahahaha....

Did anyone else notice the guy at the back had an eye-patch?

lololol
 
Can someone just summarize it - I hate reading these things..

What does "splitting water" mean.. I can split water with a well-placed karate chop ffs.
 
Splitting it just means breaking the water molecule down into its atomic parts, 2 Oxygen and 1 Hydrogen atom. You can then burn the Hydrogen as a fuel, and the bi product is water as the reaction combines the Hydrogen atoms with Oxygen atoms in the surrounding air.
 
Takes more energy the electrical way because conventionally you have to generate alot of heat to break the atomic bonds. The properties of the aluminum-gallium alloy act as a disassociating agent, kindof like pulling Iron filings out of a bucket of pebbles with a magnet. It uses the atoms properties as the driving force for separation.

Creating particles of the alloy will use up alot less in terms of input energy than electrically forcing the bonds to break through heat.
 
Splitting it just means breaking the water molecule down into its atomic parts, 2 Oxygen and 1 Hydrogen atom. You can then burn the Hydrogen as a fuel, and the bi product is water as the reaction combines the Hydrogen atoms with Oxygen atoms in the surrounding air.

um - water is 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen actually lol

in case you dont beleive me:

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/waterproperties.html
 
At best, this is a good way of storing energy. It's no more renewable that petrol in reality. They said that there was enough aluminium out there to meet the US electricity demand for 35 years, which would be cool, but after that you're left with a shitload of alumina. In the aluminium extraction process, alumina must be electrolised to split it - and at a very high temperature, in order to keep it molten. This would use more energy than you would get out the aluminium in the form of hydrogen gas.

It's like this with all hydrogen technologies I've seen so far. When you split water, you impart chemical energy to the hydrogen atoms, because hydrogen gas is less stable than hydrogen bonded to oxygen. When you recombine the hydrogen with oxygen (i.e. burn it) that energy is released as heat. Since the energy you get from burning the hydrogen is effectively the same energy you gave it when you split it, the most energy you can get back will be the same amount you put in. Otherwise, energy is coming from nowhere. It depends where the energy you impart to the hydrogen comes from. If you burn fossil fuels in a power station and use that energy to electrolyse water, that is obviously economically unviable. You're just converting one fuel into another, and you'll lose some of the energy in the process. If however, you had a solar cell powering the electrolysis, that could be economically viable in the long run, because you're effectively taking solar energy and storing it in hydrogen.
This process of using aluminium to split water is unviable. The energy you're giving to the hydrogen in this case is coming from the aluminium. When the aluminium reacts with the water and displaces the hydrogen from the oxygen, it must be imparting energy to the hydrogen. I'm not sure how it does this, but it must be doing, otherwise where is the energy in the hydrogen coming from? Eventually you'll run out of aluminium, and you'll just have alumina, which is more stable than aluminium, and therefore doesn't have the energy to split water. It's just like getting energy from a fossil fuel, in principal. You take the chemical energy from the substance, but in the process you convert the substance into something useless. Like the article said, you can convert alumina back to aluminium, but to do so you have to give it energy, because aluminium has more energy than alumina and it has to come from somewhere.

Hope that made sense... :sleep:
 
This was shown on that new Discovery Channel show. They can make postage stamp sized car batteries too out of viruses.
 
At best, this is a good way of storing energy. It's no more renewable that petrol in reality. They said that there was enough aluminium out there to meet the US electricity demand for 35 years, which would be cool, but after that you're left with a shitload of alumina. In the aluminium extraction process, alumina must be electrolised to split it - and at a very high temperature, in order to keep it molten. This would use more energy than you would get out the aluminium in the form of hydrogen gas.

It's like this with all hydrogen technologies I've seen so far. When you split water, you impart chemical energy to the hydrogen atoms, because hydrogen gas is less stable than hydrogen bonded to oxygen. When you recombine the hydrogen with oxygen (i.e. burn it) that energy is released as heat. Since the energy you get from burning the hydrogen is effectively the same energy you gave it when you split it, the most energy you can get back will be the same amount you put in. Otherwise, energy is coming from nowhere. It depends where the energy you impart to the hydrogen comes from. If you burn fossil fuels in a power station and use that energy to electrolyse water, that is obviously economically unviable. You're just converting one fuel into another, and you'll lose some of the energy in the process. If however, you had a solar cell powering the electrolysis, that could be economically viable in the long run, because you're effectively taking solar energy and storing it in hydrogen.
This process of using aluminium to split water is unviable. The energy you're giving to the hydrogen in this case is coming from the aluminium. When the aluminium reacts with the water and displaces the hydrogen from the oxygen, it must be imparting energy to the hydrogen. I'm not sure how it does this, but it must be doing, otherwise where is the energy in the hydrogen coming from? Eventually you'll run out of aluminium, and you'll just have alumina, which is more stable than aluminium, and therefore doesn't have the energy to split water. It's just like getting energy from a fossil fuel, in principal. You take the chemical energy from the substance, but in the process you convert the substance into something useless. Like the article said, you can convert alumina back to aluminium, but to do so you have to give it energy, because aluminium has more energy than alumina and it has to come from somewhere.

Hope that made sense... :sleep:


yes you are most certainly right. i don't see this technology as groundbreaking.

thing is that it would make hydrogen more available for certain applications, since it's more safe than storing it.

it's the same for fossil fuels, to make one unit of gasoline (not just extracting and converting the oil, but the whole process of carbonization of the dead organic matter involved) takes more energy than it gives.

due to thermodynamics we will always use something that is not 100% efficient.
 
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