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Is anyone planning on getting one of these? Though the benchmarks for these cards have been rather limited, they are pretty much the same cards as the Ultra's with a gimped core speed. If the rumours prove true then you will be able to clock these babies up to Ultra speeds, and have yourself virtually an GeForce 6800 ultra for around $100 cheaper.

That puts them around the X800 Pro price range and you get the extra 4 pipes as well. They seem like quite a good buy at the moment.
 
Yeah, they are a very good buy...if you will be able to find them.

The only reason I would still buy a X800pro is if you were planning on using 8X AF like I would on those cards. hehe
 
Is it a lower clocked 6800? Does it have 20 pipes instead of 16? Im going to look for some reviews.
 
blackeye said:
This is interesting. The X800 XT lost in almost every benchmark
Call of Duty
Quake 3
Splinter Cell
Unreal Tournament
The only time i saw the X800 XT win was when the resolution or AA was turned up (but that is becuase of ATI drivers) The 6800 gt even beats the x800 xt in some benchmarks
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Try to pay attention, its because the games are running in OpenGL. Edit: the DirectX games it does a little better, but still, this site seems biased
 
Try to pay attention, its because the games are running in OpenGL
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Only 2 of them I know nvidia has better opengl drivers but after everything i have heard about the X800 XT you would think that it could atleast beat the 6800 GT in most if not all benchmarks.
 
That's not really surprising since Nvidia released new drivers and I would expect them to improve on a brand new core.
Plus Quake/CoD/Splinter Cell seemed to run a little faster on the Nvidia hardware anyway. I would also expect Nvidia to tweak their Brilinear AF filtering since everyone knows about ATI's adaptive AF now.

It's all about POV.
You just need to know what games you are going to play and are you just going to run in high res or are you going to enable AA/AF.
 
now i dont know which card i want anymore that i see some of these new benchmarks. A week ago ATI would have been the wise choice and now i dont know anymore.
 
blackeye said:
now i dont know which card i want anymore that i see some of these new benchmarks. A week ago ATI would have been the wise choice and now i dont know anymore.
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haha
I'm sorry bud. Just skim through as many reviews as you can. Note which games which cards win big in and how important it is to you. If it wins by 50FPS in quake3 or wins by a bit in a game you don't even play then just ignore the results from that game.
The small wins are worth nothing (+/-5 FPS).
Note how they perform at the resolution you will be playing it on. AF 2x, 4x, 8x or disabled. Same for AA. Note what system they are running it on and driver versions.
 
Note how they perform at the resolution you will be playing it on. AF 2x, 4x, 8x or disabled. Same for AA.
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At the moment if i was playing 4x AF the X800 XTwould be a better choice. But in 18-24 months if i dont have enough money to buy a new system ill be asking myself why i didnt get the 6800. In 18-24 months theres no way i am going to play with 8x AA 1280x1024 resolution. The 6800 seems much better in that case becuase the resolution will be low and so wil the AA.
 
Well, it sounds like you have your answer. I was in the same position you were in except I decided to go with the X800 Pro. I will find out in 2 years if I made the right choice. ;)
 
I find the way that hardOCP is doing there reviews now to be very helpfull.


I keep seeing reviews on sites where the 6800ultra is smoking the x800xt.... and then i notice all the benchs are either synthetic... OpenGL or games nvidia have always been faster in...

And then i look at sites that show x800pro's beating the 6800ultra by a good margin or tying it using higher settings.....

Im inclined to belive the latter reviews.....as they seem to include a wider variety of games and benchs other than Q3.....
 
crabcakes66 said:
I find the way that hardOCP is doing there reviews now to be very helpfull.


I keep seeing reviews on sites where the 6800ultra is smoking the x800xt.... and then i notice all the benchs are either synthetic... OpenGL or games nvidia have always been faster in...

And then i look at sites that show x800pro's beating the 6800ultra by a good margin or tying it using higher settings.....

Im inclined to belive the latter reviews.....as they seem to include a wider variety of games and benchs other than Q3.....
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Nah, the x800Pro isn't beating the Ultra, the X800XT is. On higher settings, even on ATi biased games the Pro comes in around the same as the Ultra.
 
Watch X800 series with HL2, 6800 will look like a punk! No opengl for them :)
 
DiSTuRbEd said:
Watch X800 series with HL2, 6800 will look like a punk! No opengl for them :)
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The shader performance on the 6800 series has been vastly improved over the 5xxx series cards. I doubt there will be a very big gap in performance between the X800 series and the 6800 series.
 
i thoguht opengl was teh way to go, and plus hl2 was a open gl. so im confused,

ATI cadrs excell in what types of gamse?
 
hyenolie said:
i thoguht opengl was teh way to go, and plus hl2 was a open gl. so im confused,

ATI cadrs excell in what types of gamse?
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HL-2 is DX-9 :rolling:

In earlier games, OpenGL was considered to be superior to DX, but now DX has probably advanced further with Microsoft behind it. Although DooM3 will be running on OpenGL.
 
will the clock speed of the system cpu be a factor at all ?
you can be as low as 1.5ghz or up to 3.0 ghz!!
this should have some effect on what the card can do

at what minimum cpu speed can you focus on graphics upgrades entirely?
 
so ati cards to good in dx?

so, when playing old CS and old CS:S which i think is goona run on opengl or DOD, i play currently with a AIW 9000pro no opengl, it get holyshit fps on d3d, so i should switch everything to d3d?
 
The games running on the HL engine are optimised for OpenGL (CS, HL, DOD) so you should play in OpenGL mode. But recent games like FarCry and HL2 are DirectX only. (well there are some ways to use opengl with farcry but it's not worth it).
 
Well...we all know that HL2 will be more than playable using a x800 or 6800 on highest settings...nVidia are hardly bobbins in DX, they just are'nt _as_ good as ATI and vice versa for openGL.

But then we have Doom3 engine (which im sure will be used for alot of games) and its alot more gfx un-friendly than HL2 is looking to be thats for sure so the nVidia will probably out perform the ATI quite alot on it, thus...nVidia will probably be the best buy, it would for me because i use 1280x1024 ress and i know it performs good enough for me at that ress.

Im only going to buy a x800 PRO if nVidia's cards are'nt out before im next payed (2 weeks today)...they have held them off ****ing ages compared to ATI have and that annoys me.

Oh and nVidia 6800GT 256mb :p
 
I'm torn between the GeForce 6800 GT and the 6800 Ultra. This is mostly because while the GeForce 6800 GT overclocked well using the test cards, I'm not sure how well the retail versions clock. I'm praying that nVidia don't gimp them for release. I guess i'll just have to wait and see.
 
so now that everyone knows that ATI is doing trinlinear or whatever it is called, you would expect nvidia to do the same. Would this practically eliminate the performace difference betweeen the two cards? I know there better in opengl but they werent that far behind in d3d. Im sure they are working on better drivers for d3d. ATI does have better driver support though.
 
hmm, ATi are using a combination of Trilinear and Bilinear AF, only nVidia are using true Trilinear AF. This might explain the performence loss when AF is put up. Therefore the GeForce's should have a higher IQ with it on.

I'm not sure if this is what you meant.
 
:| From the benchmarks i've seen in D3D games the ATi line obviously had the upper hand over Nvidia, but not by much... some cases ATi was in lead about 30+ FPS but I saw in most they Nvidia trailed behind by just a small margin. But, in OpenGL games Nvidia smoked the ATi cards, in almost all the benches Nvidia was leading by 20+ FPS... but high end cards these days can get well over 100 FPS easily in OpenGL games, but that might be a different story for Doom III?
 
the x800pro/xt is better in the long run, Antialiasing (aa) is what makes the games look more realistic, other than the settings. The 6800 still has some of the shader issues, but that is nvidea's fault, because they are nice cards anyway! i would get eithor if i had all the money in the world
 
The problem is people have been benchmarking the GeForce's by putting on 4xAA and 8xAF, that's after benchmarking them with no AF or AA on at all. Since nVidia is using true Trilinear AF, it would be interesting to see how it performed with no AF and 4xAA, I bet it would be closer to the X800 cards.

Also nVidia have been known to produce the better driver sets, as well as having access to PS 3.0 with the GeForce's. It's a tough one to call, with pro's and con's on both side of the fence. The fact of the matter is that there's no way of really telling until the retail cards are sent out and benchmarked and the drivers get out of Beta stage.
 
lol remember also that hl2 was designed to be run better with ATI's, on the other hand DOOM 3 will utilize the NVIDIA's... so rock on ATI!

PEACE

Mike :cheers:
 
this is starting to piss me off. The retail cards should have been out by now. I want to buy my parts this weekend but both companies are ****ing around and not living up to their promises. And **** AMD! 1 ****ing socket 939 motherboard to choose from last time I checked Give me a break Nvidia, ATI and AMD.
 
Get use to it. It will only get worse as technology gets more complicated. I'm pretty surprised that ATI has the X800 pro out (even though it is in limited supply).

Can you believe Nvidia supposedly "released" their graphics card nearly 2 months ago? By the time the 6800's are in full supply, Nvidia will have released the Geforce 7800...
 
i think im gonna be really ****ing happy with my x800xt. then again i dont like that gay grey fancase that antec has on the xt version. i swear first BMW makes bullshtit designs and now antec is ****ing up . they better wise up or no mre products from them.
 
hyenolie said:
i think im gonna be really ****ing happy with my x800xt. then again i dont like that gay grey fancase that antec has on the xt version. i swear first BMW makes bullshtit designs and now antec is ****ing up . they better wise up or no mre products from them.
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Since when does it matter that they dont look good? its what it does that counts...not how "cool" they look :upstare:

BMW M3's look crap? mmmmkay!
 
DiSTuRbEd said:
Watch X800 series with HL2, 6800 will look like a punk! No opengl for them :)
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lol
then i could just say...

Watch the 6800 series with DOOM 3, x800 will look like a punk! No opengl for them :rolleyes:
 
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