Obe's... how too get them?

[highlander]

i was just wondering too obe's come normally or do you have too meditate or think about it before you sleep. i heard there really cool , but i have no idea how too get them any ideas would be great

 

[Krynn72]

lol wut?


Whats an obe?

 

[Pauly]

out of body experience?

there are 'techniques' used to 'induce' them. TBH, you should get into lucid dreaming instead. IMHO, OOBE's are more of a brain/dream trick and not actually your 'soul' leaving your physical being. Unlike OOBE's, lucid dreaming was proven to be a true act.

 

[highlander]

Ah okay. Because i've had Lucid dreams, never had an out of body experience before... i've been meditating and thinking about having 1 before i goto sleep.. but it doesn't work.

 

[Hectic Glenn]

With regard to meditation it's an extremely high level meditation you need to practice and be a master at in order to achieve the out of body experience. There are supposedly only a few hundred of people on this planet who have truly reached that level of meditation, it cannot be done by any Joe public. (Unless you take hallucinogenic drugs of course...)

 

[jondy]

Hehe, I thought you were talking about this obe

 

[CyberPitz]

I thought he was talking about this...

 

[theotherguy]

They don't exist. Stop trying.


The closest you can come to that rediculousness is lucid dreaming and then willing your conciousness to float around outside of your "body"

 

[Pauly]

yup, people can hallucinate these OOBE's and dream about them. but does your soul really detach? No...

 

[Geogaddi]

I'm pretty sure you don't hae to be a Zen master. It just takes some patience. I haven't gotten around to putting the time into it.

 

[Steven]

i was just wondering too obe's come normally or do you have too meditate or think about it before you sleep. i heard there really cool , but i have no idea how too get them any ideas would be great

hallucinogens and/or a barrel roll might help

 

[Bad^Hat]

I have a family friend who says to have had some experiences like this. He went into detail too. We have an odd circle of friends, so I really wouldn't be surprised whether he was lying or telling the truth.

 

[Que-Ever]

Bullet + brain probably helps.

Note- poster does not condone adding bullets to brains except to special recipients under strict circumstances.

 

[Ennui]

They don't exist. Stop trying.


The closest you can come to that rediculousness is lucid dreaming and then willing your conciousness to float around outside of your "body"

I'm interested to see your reasoning for such a statement, as there's little room for interpretation of that as anything but solid fact.

Highlander, this might be a good read if you're interested:
http://paranormal.se/article/Treatise_On_OOBE.pdf

Bookmarked it back when the big OOBE thread was alive.

 

[highlander]

Okay, thanks Ennui

 

[theotherguy]

I'm interested to see your reasoning for such a statement, as there's little room for interpretation of that as anything but solid fact.

Highlander, this might be a good read if you're interested:
http://paranormal.se/article/Treatise_On_OOBE.pdf

Bookmarked it back when the big OOBE thread was alive.

My reasoning: A true out of body experience, as in literally leaving ones body and perceiving the world outside of it is impossible. Why? Because consciousness is contained within the brain. It can't simply "leave" any more than it could exist if your brain were not there. Any "out of body experience" would be purely halluciougenic in nature, and would not in any way be real.

Here's an experiment you can try: have someone in another room hold a single playing card up to the ceiling while someone in the other room has an out of body experience. If they are truely having an out of body experience, they will be able to go into the room and look at the card. They should be able to know which card it was a considerable percentage of the time. After several trials average the results and see what you get.

If they are really moving out of their body they should get it right closer to 1/1 correct all of the time, but if they were not the average should be closer to 1/52.

Silly things like this should be put to the test all the time, under real scientific scrutiny. OBE, ESP, Telekenisis, you name it, put it to the test. If its real, it should yield great results, but sadly this is almost never the case.

 

[tehsolace]

me: dude i totally just had an obe
friend: what? an obe? whats that?
me: oh nevermind im a ****ing idiot because i said obe

 

[Jintor]

My first thought was "An Order of the British Empire? What? Meditation? WHA?"

 

[Lucid]

Obes make my ears bleed.

 

[Reginald]

My grandad got an OBE for helping the tourist industry.

 

[Pauly]

If you believe your soul/mindset can fly around outside your body, great!, I respect your opinions and beliefs even though I don't agree.

 

[Ennui]

My reasoning: A true out of body experience, as in literally leaving ones body and perceiving the world outside of it is impossible. Why? Because consciousness is contained within the brain. It can't simply "leave" any more than it could exist if your brain were not there. Any "out of body experience" would be purely halluciougenic in nature, and would not in any way be real.

Here's an experiment you can try: have someone in another room hold a single playing card up to the ceiling while someone in the other room has an out of body experience. If they are truely having an out of body experience, they will be able to go into the room and look at the card. They should be able to know which card it was a considerable percentage of the time. After several trials average the results and see what you get.

If they are really moving out of their body they should get it right closer to 1/1 correct all of the time, but if they were not the average should be closer to 1/52.

Silly things like this should be put to the test all the time, under real scientific scrutiny. OBE, ESP, Telekenisis, you name it, put it to the test. If its real, it should yield great results, but sadly this is almost never the case.

Founding your argument on the idea that consciousness is locked within the brain is not a good idea, because that's not an absolute. We don't know shit about the nature of consciousness, and dualism is a valid philosophical idea that cannot be confirmed or denied by science or anything else.

Don't get me wrong, I've never had an OOBE and I don't particularly think they're real, so I'm mostly playing devil's advocate, but you still shouldn't dismiss things that cannot be dismissed.

Honestly, to say that any OOBE would be "hallucinogenic in nature and would not in any way be real" is a shakey foundation, given the fact that everything we see is a hallucination constructed by the mind to represent what we think the real world is. Just because something like this falls outside the axiomatical things we're forced to accept so that we can make scientific strides (our perception is complete and true, etc) doesn't mean it's not true.

 

[CrazyHarij]

theotherguy seems pretty sure of his thing, i would trust him and not make any choices of my own

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

DMT.

 

[CrazyHarij]

i've had more oobes than i can count, and still have them occasionally, but i can't be arsed to argue against anyone who doesnt like them for some reason.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Ennui, you're getting somewhat clarky there. (Clarky is now an adjective by the way.)

Perception cannot exist without sense(s).

Saying "we don't know shit about the nature of consciousness" as a justification for ghostbusting is bullpoop.
You might as well claim that space rabbits cause consciousness for that same reason.

Otherguy is correct in pointing out that this phenomenon is falsifiable, so it can be proven easily if it is real.

The fact that it hasn't been proven kills the whole concept, making the only reasonable conclusion at present the conclusion that the events are wholly (albeit unintentionally) fictional.

 

[NeptuneUK]

Spirituality debates have the same win percentage as religious debates due to the 'you cant prove shit' nature of both parties.

 

[lePobz]

I got an OBE for being a knight templar, a grand high mason and the enlightened one.

I pull the ****ing strings now.

 

[_-_-SELAS-_-_]

You have to die if you want to have an out of body experience, when I say die then I mean dead as in your heart stops, so if you want to try it better have a defibrilator near.
Disclaimer: trying to stop your own heart may have unforseeable consequences.

 

[Link]

Which came first? The OBE or LSD? Damn hippys

 

[_-_-SELAS-_-_]

The egg

 

[highlander]

Well, i haven't gotten one yet, will try (again) tonight.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

I've found it's easier when you are really tired. :|

 

[CrazyHarij]

it's quite easy actually, it's all about keeping concentration while youre entering sleep, just that it's pretty uncommon to be that concentrated for the time it takes. try being aware of your senses, your body, your surroundings, what you are sensing right now, rather than focusing on your thoughts. this really helps alot, so much that if you don't succeed OOBeing you might still have spontaneous OOBs or lucid dreams.

as for concentrating on what, just focus on your heartbeats or your breath when you're trying to OOB. relaxing properly is a must, try green tea, a warm bath or whatever helps you relax. the difficulty with OOBeing isn't that it's hard to do, it's that it's so unfamiliar that you get frightened of it once you notice the first sensations, your thoughts start racing etc, the common sensations before you leave your body are vibrations, noises and stuff like that, but it's not a must to have them.

it took me a really long time to succeed with it just because i was so afraid once it started working, and i've noticed it's common with most people getting into it

 

[Tyguy]

With regard to meditation it's an extremely high level meditation you need to practice and be a master at in order to achieve the out of body experience. There are supposedly only a few hundred of people on this planet who have truly reached that level of meditation, it cannot be done by any Joe public. (Unless you take hallucinogenic drugs of course...)

thats not true, i had one the first day i heard about them....it takes practice, thats it.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

So why aren't you doing the test?

 

[Solaris]

out of body experience?

there are 'techniques' used to 'induce' them. TBH, you should get into lucid dreaming instead. IMHO, OOBE's are more of a brain/dream trick and not actually your 'soul' leaving your physical being. Unlike OOBE's, lucid dreaming was proven to be a true act.

elaborate, with sauces please.

J/k intended.